My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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I’ve got a carb-up dilemma with Christmas coming up.

I planned on carbing up hard on the high-GI foods Christmas day(not carbing up this weekend), and moving to an oats/blueberries/flax only carb up the next day. Problem is, I’m planning on going to visit family the following weekend, and would like to not have to be awkward around the dinner table regarding carbs. I thought about only carbing up Christmas, then doing another carb up Sat/Sun. Is 4-5 days in between two heavy carb ups enough? I’ve been on the AD since September.

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[quote]abcd1234 wrote:
I’ve got a carb-up dilemma with Christmas coming up.

I planned on carbing up hard on the high-GI foods Christmas day(not carbing up this weekend), and moving to an oats/blueberries/flax only carb up the next day. Problem is, I’m planning on going to visit family the following weekend, and would like to not have to be awkward around the dinner table regarding carbs. I thought about only carbing up Christmas, then doing another carb up Sat/Sun. Is 4-5 days in between two heavy carb ups enough? I’ve been on the AD since September.[/quote]

Dont worry so much about it. dont go ape shit on every tasty treat you can muster to eat but have fun and its only this one time and it wont throw you off. just go back to normal right after and eat really clean carb ups for now on(for best results). and on the carb up after the holiday pig outs…keep it light and only clean. HAPPY HOLIDAYS

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wow havin one of those days when i dont feel hungry at all and i know i wont get my calories in today…owell im trying to cut anyhow…and im adapted. And knowing me ill be starving and eating like the growing boy i am tomorrow

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For the people with mood and depression, maybe try upping the fish oils that is one of the things they’ve been shown to improve. But also give it time, you’ve probably been eating a whole different way the rest of your life, time to adapt varies, but for me after my first carb up energy has been high and great ever since.

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"As with mass gains for bodybuilders (previous section), the CKD is not ideal forpowerlifters and other strength/power athletes (throwers, sprinters, Olympic lifters, etc).

The extremely high intensity nature of training for these sports absolutely requires carbohydrates for
optimal performance."

I had to laugh at that from the Keto diet ebook. haha. I mean, wtf, how many times will I have to be told this before I realize that lifting hundreds of lbs and playing both ways in football, every play, all game, is no proof that you don’t need carbs. See, I shoulda trusted science.

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
"As with mass gains for bodybuilders (previous section), the CKD is not ideal forpowerlifters and other strength/power athletes (throwers, sprinters, Olympic lifters, etc).

The extremely high intensity nature of training for these sports absolutely requires carbohydrates for
optimal performance."

I had to laugh at that from the Keto diet ebook. haha. I mean, wtf, how many times will I have to be told this before I realize that lifting hundreds of lbs and playing both ways in football, every play, all game, is no proof that you don’t need carbs. See, I shoulda trusted science.[/quote]

After getting fully adapted I don’t even have trouble with balls out HIIT on Friday and Saturday morning which I do occasionally. These studies seem to usually be done with guys that they just stick on a low carb regimen and go at it without ever giving them time to really adapt. At least the ones I’ve read.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
"As with mass gains for bodybuilders (previous section), the CKD is not ideal forpowerlifters and other strength/power athletes (throwers, sprinters, Olympic lifters, etc).

The extremely high intensity nature of training for these sports absolutely requires carbohydrates for
optimal performance."

I had to laugh at that from the Keto diet ebook. haha. I mean, wtf, how many times will I have to be told this before I realize that lifting hundreds of lbs and playing both ways in football, every play, all game, is no proof that you don’t need carbs. See, I shoulda trusted science.

After getting fully adapted I don’t even have trouble with balls out HIIT on Friday and Saturday morning which I do occasionally. These studies seem to usually be done with guys that they just stick on a low carb regimen and go at it without ever giving them time to really adapt. At least the ones I’ve read.[/quote]

Yea,…but coming from a guy who wrote the keto diet book, I’m a little surprised. Why can’t people admit that there are some people who just do well on a low carb diet?

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Been on this for 4 days. When can I start eating my carbs. I miss my pizza!!!

PS I’m what you would call a “hardgainer”, will this benefit me or should I do something different.

THANKS!

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First post here. This is my 5th day. When can I eat carbs? Is the initial period longer or can I eat carbs on the first weekend. I Want to pig out!

Is this a good diet for someone skinny that is looking to pack on muscle or is there something better for me?

Thanks for the help!!

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
"As with mass gains for bodybuilders (previous section), the CKD is not ideal forpowerlifters and other strength/power athletes (throwers, sprinters, Olympic lifters, etc).

The extremely high intensity nature of training for these sports absolutely requires carbohydrates for
optimal performance."

I had to laugh at that from the Keto diet ebook. haha. I mean, wtf, how many times will I have to be told this before I realize that lifting hundreds of lbs and playing both ways in football, every play, all game, is no proof that you don’t need carbs. See, I shoulda trusted science.

After getting fully adapted I don’t even have trouble with balls out HIIT on Friday and Saturday morning which I do occasionally. These studies seem to usually be done with guys that they just stick on a low carb regimen and go at it without ever giving them time to really adapt. At least the ones I’ve read.

Yea,…but coming from a guy who wrote the keto diet book, I’m a little surprised. Why can’t people admit that there are some people who just do well on a low carb diet?

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I agree. When I read that I was a bit skeptical too. I was thinking… “so I really CAN’T do all this sprinting and lifting without getting tired eh?” And then the thought crossed my mind… what about cheetahs, they are carnivores and they are one of the fastest sprinters on earth…

Anyway, that is complete horse shit. As proven by all u guys, and even more by SK as he goes extremely long periods without carbs, carbs are not necessary for sprinting and lifting once adapted.

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Bizmark,

I’ll do ya one better, I just ended the Velocity Diet…and I set 3 PR’s. I guess I shoulda bought into the theory that you should do lite weights for medium reps on a diet because, ya know, if you aren’t eating 10,000 cals, then you’ll be weak.

How many stories do we need of some champion Olympic Lifter from some poor, but strong country eating what a 10yo girl would eat while snatching 400lbs? I think some people just get too comfortable and get to believe that you NEED carbs or NEED a million calories to support their 3x’s per week, back/biceps split.

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Day 8 is half way done, and I’ve carried on the tradition of the crash. Mine was only a small one, and it was immediately after my training (balls to the wall no bullshit workout). I immediately started ravaging dead animals and drinking water and all is good.
My first CHO ups are gonna be on training days. Do you all think that I should get almost all of my protein before and after training and just carbs/fat the rest of the day, or should training carb up days require slightly more than 10% protein?

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Hey all,

Nice to see everyone trucking along on the AD with more and more folk jumping on board. As for me, I’ve been chatting with a lot of folk about metabolic typing and determining carbohydrate tolerance within trained athletes. One thing for certain is that working within the structures of the AD is a superb way to help to determine your body’s tolerance for carbohydrates in relation to performance.

While there are no sure fire way to test one’s carbohydrate tolerance, some use questionnaires, some use other crude tests, it is definitely worthwhile working with a lifestyle like the AD to understand your body’s reaction to carbohydrate restriction. One thing is for certain, carbohydrate intake is ESSENTIAL when engaging in high intensity activity - especially for performance. Not to be too critical of the folks who are prolonging their low carb periods to 10+ days, but I believe that doing so will inhibit one’s progress towards their ultimate physique and performace goals. This is often due to the confusion that dehydration and being “dry” has on one’s realistic assesment of their progress.

All in all, it is great to see this thread continuing to move along and it’s amazing to see the support coming in for one another.

Cheers all and happy holidays.

Sasha

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Bizmark,

I’ll do ya one better, I just ended the Velocity Diet…and I set 3 PR’s. I guess I shoulda bought into the theory that you should do lite weights for medium reps on a diet because, ya know, if you aren’t eating 10,000 cals, then you’ll be weak.

How many stories do we need of some champion Olympic Lifter from some poor, but strong country eating what a 10yo girl would eat while snatching 400lbs? I think some people just get too comfortable and get to believe that you NEED carbs or NEED a million calories to support their 3x’s per week, back/biceps split.[/quote]

IL Cazz,

So how’d the Velocity Diet go for you?
It would seem that your exp w/ the AD would’ve been a benefit to you.

Did you post any info on your experience?

What was your training like?

I’d be really interested…

Thanks

peace

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Yea,…but coming from a guy who wrote the keto diet book, I’m a little surprised. Why can’t people admit that there are some people who just do well on a low carb diet?
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We are talking about cycling though right? I mean certainly fat adapted, but still with periodic cho loading?

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[quote]SashaG wrote:
Cheers all and happy holidays.

Sasha
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To you as well SashaG. Good to see you droppin by.

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Bizmark,

I’ll do ya one better, I just ended the Velocity Diet…and I set 3 PR’s. I guess I shoulda bought into the theory that you should do lite weights for medium reps on a diet because, ya know, if you aren’t eating 10,000 cals, then you’ll be weak.

How many stories do we need of some champion Olympic Lifter from some poor, but strong country eating what a 10yo girl would eat while snatching 400lbs? I think some people just get too comfortable and get to believe that you NEED carbs or NEED a million calories to support their 3x’s per week, back/biceps split.[/quote]

great post, but cmon I think you mean chest/biceps split, ya know the million sets of curls and brench press done to failure.

Impressive with the PR’s on the diet though.

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[quote]curtisj76 wrote:
Been on this for 4 days. When can I start eating my carbs. I miss my pizza!!!

PS I’m what you would call a “hardgainer”, will this benefit me or should I do something different.

THANKS![/quote]

lol dude, buy the book or at least read through the thread.

For whatever reason you just embarked on a completely new diet plan with no foresight or knowledge in to its parameters. C’mon, man… nobody wants to hold your hand.

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ive never had fish oil in oil form only caps…does it taste better than olive oil cuz i hate that stuff…and if its just as good…:P…then how do u all hide the taste

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[quote]Pauli D wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
Bizmark,

I’ll do ya one better, I just ended the Velocity Diet…and I set 3 PR’s. I guess I shoulda bought into the theory that you should do lite weights for medium reps on a diet because, ya know, if you aren’t eating 10,000 cals, then you’ll be weak.

How many stories do we need of some champion Olympic Lifter from some poor, but strong country eating what a 10yo girl would eat while snatching 400lbs? I think some people just get too comfortable and get to believe that you NEED carbs or NEED a million calories to support their 3x’s per week, back/biceps split.

IL Cazz,

So how’d the Velocity Diet go for you?
It would seem that your exp w/ the AD would’ve been a benefit to you.

Did you post any info on your experience?

What was your training like?

I’d be really interested…

Thanks

peace[/quote]

Hey Pauli,

I lost 23lbs and I’m leaner than i can remember being. I always had to maintain a certian amount of bodyweight for playing OL/DL so, to have 20 extra lbs of fat was kind of just accepted…but I got kind of sick of it.

Yea, all the years on the AD made the Velcoity Diet quite easy. I think I was only super hungry twice, though I never thought of breaking…and as a chef, I am around delicious food all friggin day.

The AD will be my lifestyle once again. It’s actually really easy…lose weight? Cut carb ups down to a few hours…Maintain? day and a half…gain-2 days. I could’ve lost the weight on the AD, but, I wanted something quick, and I was looking for the challenge.

I trained 4 days per week. Pretty typical of what I normally do…lots of Front Squats, Clean and snatch pulls, RDL, Pull-ups, Press, Incline, deadlifts, rows…all the fun stuff. The reps ranged from singles to 5x5.

I typically do two exercies…maybe Press and Pull ups together as a super set in a timed period, usually 20 minutes. Kind of EDT-esque. One thing i concentrated on during the diet was increasing the number of sets done during the time period…I had been slackin off pre-diet and wanted to ramp it up…and I did.

I’d have to look it up, but I think my avg. intensity on most of my heavy days was around 305.

I will say this…I will definetly add some of the Velocity Diet’s lessons into the AD. Shakes are great at certian times of the day, plus you know exactly how many cals, pro, fat, carbs are in them…very easy to regulate.

Also, I can’t say I lost my taste for chocolate, I definetly don’t crave or prefer it anymore. I ate a cookie today. Homemade chocolatechip. ONE COOKIE. That’s insane. It was good. I ate it. Then I ate my eggs and broccoli rabe. Never wanted any more cookies either…so weird since in the old days, I would’ve taken down a few dozen haha.

I kind of let my carb ups become free for alls and that’s over now. First of all, my stomach is shrunken…man, I couldnt finish my 3 egg and broccoli rabe omlette today! On all the healthy meals during the Velocity Diet, I got full so fast that it was actually embarassing.

But, I dont feel the need to stuff anymore, when I’m full, I’m full.

Sorry that was long…if you have any more questions, I’ll be happy to answer. Though any training questions may be met with long rambling responses :O)