My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]OMC wrote:
OMC wrote:
Hows it lookin guys…5 days in. Todays food

Meal1 6sausages and4 bacon, 2 fishoil
Meal2 400g minced beef piece of cheese
Meal3 same as above with two psylium husk caps
Meal4 same as above
Meal5 you guessed it same as above

I see the lack of vegetables but don’t feel bad and am doing well for the mo with the psylium husks. Any tips or tweeks for that list since its gonna remain similar for the next several weeks. just bought 15kg of beef for a bit over a tenner…gotta use it somehow. am at sub8% bf and wanna get big for combat sports.

ok just bought some asparagus and brocholli. Will this cover mcronutrients sufficently? How much should i eat? Should my plate be 50/50 veg/meat everytime? Am gonna limit sausages but still have plenty of bacon and a crazy amount of eggs. How do I get the olive oil into my diet apart from using it to cook steak and fry mince? how much OO do i need?

I realise there is a lot of Q’s here so am happy enough being told what to do rather than why to do it…if you wanna throw in some explanations thats just a bonus in my book. Thanks again guys.[/quote]

ok …another way …to have olive oil is to have 2 tablespoons of it in ur whey shake also after ur workout.and yes on salads u can use them as a garnish , many of them on this thread and even i sometimes just sip that also whenever we feel a little lack of energy. aND pls be sure that u buy EXTRA VIRGIN OLIVE OIL which is in dark bottle u will get that in any supermarket.

the whole point is that our daily cals must come mostly from fat thats is 50 to 70% and the ratio must be 1;1;1 saturated ,monounstaurated and polyunsaturated.
so balance ur fats in that way if i have eggs and bacon then next meal …have a chicken breast garnished with oil oil and salad or vegetables …or maybe a whey shake and some almonds …the next meal can be a steak and vegetables and some fish oil capsules …adjust ur food intake that way where u can balance the fats .

as far as the vegetables …yes u can eat them as muhc as u wnat …and iam sure u will eat them till they make u full its better for ur system and the fiber content will help u the next morning in ur bathroom.
remeber u have to intake equal ratio of all fats i will give u my sample diet on a given day

break fast -4organic eggs made in 1 tablespoon of homemade butter. and any vegetable made home .

meal 2-wheyshake +peanuts or almonds(30gms)

meal 3-grilled chicken and some salad with 3 table spoon of olive oil

meal 4-grilled fish and some vegetables

meal 5- whey shake and 5 fish oil caps

meal 6-casien pr0tien +flaxmeal 2tablespoons 2 table spoons heavy whipping cream

change and adjust it the way u wnat it …but remeber to get all the fats …in ur diet in equal amounts no need to be a very perfectionist just use ur logic thats it and iam sure u will

by the way the best vegetables which alomost every ader eats is brocolli,spinach,celery

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[quote]OMC wrote:
OMC wrote:
Hows it lookin guys…5 days in. Todays food

Meal1 6sausages and4 bacon, 2 fishoil
Meal2 400g minced beef piece of cheese
Meal3 same as above with two psylium husk caps
Meal4 same as above
Meal5 you guessed it same as above

I see the lack of vegetables but don’t feel bad and am doing well for the mo with the psylium husks. Any tips or tweeks for that list since its gonna remain similar for the next several weeks. just bought 15kg of beef for a bit over a tenner…gotta use it somehow. am at sub8% bf and wanna get big for combat sports.

ok just bought some asparagus and brocholli. Will this cover mcronutrients sufficently? How much should i eat? Should my plate be 50/50 veg/meat everytime? Am gonna limit sausages but still have plenty of bacon and a crazy amount of eggs. How do I get the olive oil into my diet apart from using it to cook steak and fry mince? how much OO do i need?

I realise there is a lot of Q’s here so am happy enough being told what to do rather than why to do it…if you wanna throw in some explanations thats just a bonus in my book. Thanks again guys.[/quote]

this a list of veggies and nuts which u can enjoy on this diet

Almonds (1oz = 5…6g)
Asparagus
Avocado (1/2 = 6g)
Broccoli
Cauliflower
Eggplant
walnuts
pistas

cabbage
Lettuce
Mushrooms
Olives
Peanuts (1oz = 6g)
Red / green peppers
Spinach
brussel Sprouts
cucuumber
celery
brinjal

Zucchini

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Tribulus,

That is great and I think you hit the nail on the head. I quess I was just seeking reinforcement of my thoughts along the lines of doing a modified, lower calorie using the basics of the percent breakdown of protein/fat/carbs.

The weights I am positive will increase my sensitivity to isulin as will the cardo and aerobics of the handcycle. (10-12 miles at 12 mph keeps the heart rate between 145 and 155). I do appreciate your input, as I said pretty much what I was thinking, just wanted to make sure I was on the right track. Believe me, I am not a fraile as one would think from what I have described. Truth be told, aside from missing a couple of legs and having to watch what I eat, I always thought being 50 would have felt much worse. The way I lived, motorcycle racing and such, I should feel worse ;). What the hell, it beats the alternagive. Just gotta do it a bit better these next 50 years…/

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[quote]salbecker56 wrote:
Tribulus,

That is great and I think you hit the nail on the head. I quess I was just seeking reinforcement of my thoughts along the lines of doing a modified, lower calorie using the basics of the percent breakdown of protein/fat/carbs.

The weights I am positive will increase my sensitivity to isulin as will the cardo and aerobics of the handcycle. (10-12 miles at 12 mph keeps the heart rate between 145 and 155). I do appreciate your input, as I said pretty much what I was thinking, just wanted to make sure I was on the right track. Believe me, I am not a fraile as one would think from what I have described. Truth be told, aside from missing a couple of legs and having to watch what I eat, I always thought being 50 would have felt much worse. The way I lived, motorcycle racing and such, I should feel worse ;). What the hell, it beats the alternagive. Just gotta do it a bit better these next 50 years…/ [/quote]

sir loved ur spirit u are an right example of living life to the fullest .hope god helps u in everything u plan and wish to do and achive. as far as the thread goes every 1 here are great guys and girls …and every 1 will help u for sure . all the best and may god bless you

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I’m no expert, Jinx, but here goes:

The induction phase is to shift our bodies toward burning fat for energy vs. carbs.

Full adaption is supposed to take upwards of 5 months, but after the induction phase, the body is in “fat burning mode” (if you stayed to the strictures of the induction phase, that is).

I don’t believe making the induction phase longer would benefit you, primarily because you are basically adapted anyway after the initial 12 days.

The carb up weekends are to (in my laymans terms, b/c I’m not to learned in these things yet) stuff carbs into carb depleted muscles, thus making them grow rapidly.

If you don’t do the carb ups, you are (basically)on an Atkins diet which does not support muscle building based goals.

Hope that helped, but if it didn’t…well…maybe someone else can field this one.

AD

[quote]Jinx Me wrote:
SashaG wrote:
Jinx Me wrote:
Just wanted to say hi, and let you all know I’m starting the AD tomorrow and I’m psyched. I plan to give it a really good shot - won’t be giving up anytime soon regardless of how the first few weeks feel. God, I hope they don’t suck too bad though. I’ve gone low carb before however, and been okay. Anyway, I’m currently bulking and trying to continue building strength while keeping body fat gain to a minimum. I’m probably about 18% right now, and definitely don’t want to add more fat. My diet’s always served me well, but I just wanted to try something really different and shake things up. Otherwise you never know what you’re missing right?

I’ll let you all know how I’m doing. Thanks to everyone who’s posted their experiences and replied to my PMs.

Jinx,

Great to have you as a part of the team. As to your post, the best piece of advice I can pass along is to focus on first the induction phase and first couple of months on the AD. It will help you develop a benchmark in which to work from moving forward.

We’re all here to help and as hopefully you’ll have noticed, this is one area of T-Nation that is free from angry flames and intolerable posts so no matter the question, post away.

Good luck and keep us updated on your results.

Cheers,

Sasha

Thanks!

Got through my first weekend and next weekend is my first carb refeed. Energy is very high, to the point where I’m having some trouble sleeping. Lifts were great all last week.

Is there any benefit to extending the induction period?

Also, to the poster who suggested that my bodyfat is a bit high to be bulking(can’t remember your name sorry)… I’m estimating my bf percentage, so I can’t be sure it’s really 18 (and I don’t trust the tests much anyway). Also I agree that my bf is a bit high to start bulking, but I have been bulking for a few months at this point - I’m using the AD to continue that and then I’m transitioning into a fat loss diet in a week or two once I’m adjusted to it. Regardless, my bodyfat isn’t terribly high (and keep in mind I’m female, so 18% on me is closer to 15% on you).

I’m really looking forward to maintaining this diet and then starting another lean bulk in early 2007, to see how my body responds.[/quote]

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Thanks AlphaDragon (hm, your ‘initials’ are AD, how apt!)

That was pretty much how I’d figured it, but I appreciate hearing it back. I started the diet on a Tuesday, not a Monday, so I’ll probably eat some carbs on Saturday but not 'til pwo, in the late afternoon. Hopefully 11.5 days will suffice!

Did anyone else experience very high energy and some insomnia during the induction? I’ve been having a lot of trouble falling asleep and staying asleep.

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[quote]Jinx Me wrote:
Thanks AlphaDragon (hm, your ‘initials’ are AD, how apt!)

That was pretty much how I’d figured it, but I appreciate hearing it back. I started the diet on a Tuesday, not a Monday, so I’ll probably eat some carbs on Saturday but not 'til pwo, in the late afternoon. Hopefully 11.5 days will suffice!

Did anyone else experience very high energy and some insomnia during the induction? I’ve been having a lot of trouble falling asleep and staying asleep. [/quote]

i found this to be the case with me. (been on for about 3 months) I attributed it to increased sensitivity to caffeine, and stimulants- i would take my HOT-ROX at 3 and not be able to get to sleep til 2, or if i had a diet pepsi at 7 at night i would be screwed. if either of these could apply to you, cut out caffeine and/or take any stimulants earlier in the day.

if neither of those could be the problem, i bought a bottle of melatonin at GNC for 4 bucks and those little pills work like a charm. i sleep solid and have some vivid-ass dreams.

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[quote]Jinx Me wrote:
Thanks AlphaDragon (hm, your ‘initials’ are AD, how apt!)

That was pretty much how I’d figured it, but I appreciate hearing it back. I started the diet on a Tuesday, not a Monday, so I’ll probably eat some carbs on Saturday but not 'til pwo, in the late afternoon. Hopefully 11.5 days will suffice!

Did anyone else experience very high energy and some insomnia during the induction? I’ve been having a lot of trouble falling asleep and staying asleep. [/quote]

yes i did have that trouble and even now if …i have some diet coke or a coffee in the night i do get that trouble …ZMA must help and try and …get the majority of ur carbs in the last meal that can also help…but yes due to the metabolic shift …u will have some problems and it will go away as u progress sometimes it also depends on what time u train …if u train late in the evening u might get that sleeping mess .

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this a list of veggies and nuts which u can enjoy on this diet

Almonds (1oz = 5…6g)
Asparagus
Avocado (1/2 = 6g)
Broccoli
Cauliflower
Eggplant
walnuts
pistas

cabbage
Lettuce
Mushrooms
Olives
Peanuts (1oz = 6g)
Red / green peppers
Spinach
brussel Sprouts
cucuumber
celery
brinjal

Zucchini

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Thanks rav thats a great help. Whats this “heavywhipping cream” is it the same as fresh cream (ie 3-4 g carbs per 100ml)? It keeps coming up in this thread and is confusing the hell outta me.

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[quote]OMC wrote:
this a list of veggies and nuts which u can enjoy on this diet

Almonds (1oz = 5…6g)
Asparagus
Avocado (1/2 = 6g)
Broccoli
Cauliflower
Eggplant
walnuts
pistas

cabbage
Lettuce
Mushrooms
Olives
Peanuts (1oz = 6g)
Red / green peppers
Spinach
brussel Sprouts
cucuumber
celery
brinjal

Zucchini

Thanks rav thats a great help. Whats this “heavywhipping cream” is it the same as fresh cream (ie 3-4 g carbs per 100ml)? It keeps coming up in this thread and is confusing the hell outta me.
[/quote]

yes its fresh cream …incase u wnat to use it dont use the lowfat use a regular fresh cream …most of them have no carbs in them u can check that in the super market and use that if u like it its not a mandatory thing

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[quote]Jinx Me wrote:
Thanks AlphaDragon (hm, your ‘initials’ are AD, how apt!)

That was pretty much how I’d figured it, but I appreciate hearing it back. I started the diet on a Tuesday, not a Monday, so I’ll probably eat some carbs on Saturday but not 'til pwo, in the late afternoon. Hopefully 11.5 days will suffice!

Did anyone else experience very high energy and some insomnia during the induction? I’ve been having a lot of trouble falling asleep and staying asleep. [/quote]

:wink:

I think 11.5 days will suffice as long as you adhere to the normal weekly guidelines.

As for high energy and insomnia…yes, I believe I had that too (as the others said), and I agree it could be caffiene stimulation because caffiene is much more effective when eating on the AD lifestyle.

I’ve practically quit caffiene, altogether, now that I’m on the AD (mostly during the last 2 weeks). Not because I wanted to, but rather because of how potent it is now. In fact, I’ve gone from coffee to green tea, and the tea works fine (in most cases…:wink: ).

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[quote]Jinx Me wrote:
…Is there any benefit to extending the induction period?..
[/quote]

Along the lines of what Alpa Dragon was saying. Muscle contractions of the anerobic variety can only be fueled by glycogen. Glycogen is stored in the muscles from glucose which is obviously obtained from carbohydrates. The carb loads are to replenish the gycogen stores without which your body would have no fuel for weight lifting, unless it were to begin converting aminos into glucose which we definitely don’t want.

Also I don’t want to be negative, but you may have some energy issues coming here pretty soon. They will pass, but a lot of people including me went through this. Very high energy… Flucuations, especially later in the week… and then you settle down and start to smooth out. It does take much longer than the induction phase to fully adapt. Just throwing it out there.

[quote]salbecker56 wrote:
Tribulus,

That is great and I think you hit the nail on the head. I quess I was just seeking reinforcement of my thoughts along the lines of doing a modified, lower calorie using the basics of the percent breakdown of protein/fat/carbs.

The weights I am positive will increase my sensitivity to isulin as will the cardo and aerobics of the handcycle. (10-12 miles at 12 mph keeps the heart rate between 145 and 155). I do appreciate your input, as I said pretty much what I was thinking, just wanted to make sure I was on the right track. Believe me, I am not a fraile as one would think from what I have described. Truth be told, aside from missing a couple of legs and having to watch what I eat, I always thought being 50 would have felt much worse. The way I lived, motorcycle racing and such, I should feel worse ;). What the hell, it beats the alternagive. Just gotta do it a bit better these next 50 years…/
[/quote]

I wish I could be more helpful, but I surely do appreciate your appreciation so to speak.
You definitely have your situation by the nutz man. You can’t fail with an attitude like that. Shit I get bummed being 42 with a rib injury. You make me feel like a crybaby, which I’m sure I need.

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Has anyone had any experience with a more …uhhh…“Aromatic” (yeah, thats the word) scent to ones sweat? =P

My sweat can be downright funky these days. Which kinda sucks because I’m in a tropical environment and there is no Air Conditioning when I’m working or working out.

Do you think this kind of lifestyle can lead to this problem?

If you have had this problem, how did you deal with it?

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Has anyone had any experience with a more …uhhh…“Aromatic” (yeah, thats the word) scent to ones sweat? =P

My sweat can be downright funky these days. Which kinda sucks because I’m in a tropical environment and there is no Air Conditioning when I’m working or working out.

Do you think this kind of lifestyle can lead to this problem?

If you have had this problem, how did you deal with it?

[/quote]

Somebody earlier in this thread was saying something about this. I can’t rememeber who, but it was quite a way’s back. I do sweat a bit more, but I haven’t had the enhanced BO thing.

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now a little experiment iam doing with our lifestlye.
what iam doing is as rob faigin vince gironda and Poliquin suggested …in a week iam eating just 2 carb meals …1 is on wed night after my workout and next is on sunday night then the comming will be our typical ad lifestl;ye i will carb up from sat night to sunday night the next week i will again have 2 carb meals on wed and sunday …

after 3 weeks i will let u know what are the results i think it might somewhat help me to lose more fat …also i have some pics in my cell phone hopefully i can show them to u all so u can suggest me some more good things so far things going preety good

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[quote]raviraj wrote:
now a little experiment iam doing with our lifestlye.
what iam doing is as rob faigin vince gironda and Poliquin suggested …in a week iam eating just 2 carb meals …1 is on wed night after my workout and next is on sunday night then the comming will be our typical ad lifestl;ye i will carb up from sat night to sunday night the next week i will again have 2 carb meals on wed and sunday …

after 3 weeks i will let u know what are the results i think it might somewhat help me to lose more fat …also i have some pics in my cell phone hopefully i can show them to u all so u can suggest me some more good things so far things going preety good [/quote]

My guess is it will certainly help you lean out more. I think the week you eat less carbs will mean harder workouts perhaps, but this cyclical type of diet is sooooo personal.

Apparently the leaner you get the more carbs your body can handle so its very possible there are many of us who are doing a full weekend carb load, but only need a day or a half a day. I’m currently reading NHE by Faigen. Its a great read beyond just the diet portion.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Has anyone had any experience with a more …uhhh…“Aromatic” (yeah, thats the word) scent to ones sweat? =P

My sweat can be downright funky these days. Which kinda sucks because I’m in a tropical environment and there is no Air Conditioning when I’m working or working out.

Do you think this kind of lifestyle can lead to this problem?

If you have had this problem, how did you deal with it?

Somebody earlier in this thread was saying something about this. I can’t rememeber who, but it was quite a way’s back. I do sweat a bit more, but I haven’t had the enhanced BO thing.[/quote]

i also did have this problem means i was sweating a lot …i had read somewhere that sometimes it is because of the ketones bodies also …i used to sweat in a ac gym …it went slowly my trainer had suggested me to up the water intake . but my sweat never stinked

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[quote]msundi83 wrote:
raviraj wrote:
now a little experiment iam doing with our lifestlye.
what iam doing is as rob faigin vince gironda and Poliquin suggested …in a week iam eating just 2 carb meals …1 is on wed night after my workout and next is on sunday night then the comming will be our typical ad lifestl;ye i will carb up from sat night to sunday night the next week i will again have 2 carb meals on wed and sunday …

after 3 weeks i will let u know what are the results i think it might somewhat help me to lose more fat …also i have some pics in my cell phone hopefully i can show them to u all so u can suggest me some more good things so far things going preety good

My guess is it will certainly help you lean out more. I think the week you eat less carbs will mean harder workouts perhaps, but this cyclical type of diet is sooooo personal.

Apparently the leaner you get the more carbs your body can handle so its very possible there are many of us who are doing a full weekend carb load, but only need a day or a half a day. I’m currently reading NHE by Faigen. Its a great read beyond just the diet portion.

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thanx for ur prompt reply msundi83 .
yes u are right on the week where i just have 2 meals in a week iam going to train a little harder. iam doing a 4 day split .
being in india its very hard for me to get the books but 1 friend is comming from usa on the 28 so i asked me him to bring rob faigins both the books . i heard that those books are really great and more detailed then the anabolic diet book.

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Tribulus,

I have read many of the threads, articles and such on here. I can honestly say I have never before seen a situation where so many gave so freely their knowledge and experiences.

Although I have no aspirations on body building or heavy weight lifting, I am gratefull I found Lou Shulers site which led me hear. You all are great ladies and gentlemen and I appreciate the info you have compiled here. Again thanks and trust when I say. I hope to avail myself to you knowledge and experience.

.[quote]raviraj wrote:
salbecker56 wrote:
Tribulus,

That is great and I think you hit the nail on the head. I quess I was just seeking reinforcement of my thoughts along the lines of doing a modified, lower calorie using the basics of the percent breakdown of protein/fat/carbs.

The weights I am positive will increase my sensitivity to isulin as will the cardo and aerobics of the handcycle. (10-12 miles at 12 mph keeps the heart rate between 145 and 155). I do appreciate your input, as I said pretty much what I was thinking, just wanted to make sure I was on the right track. Believe me, I am not a fraile as one would think from what I have described. Truth be told, aside from missing a couple of legs and having to watch what I eat, I always thought being 50 would have felt much worse. The way I lived, motorcycle racing and such, I should feel worse ;). What the hell, it beats the alternagive. Just gotta do it a bit better these next 50 years…/

sir loved ur spirit u are an right example of living life to the fullest .hope god helps u in everything u plan and wish to do and achive. as far as the thread goes every 1 here are great guys and girls …and every 1 will help u for sure . all the best and may god bless you[/quote]

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[quote]salbecker56 wrote:
I have read many of the threads, articles and such on here. I can honestly say I have never before seen a situation where so many gave so freely their knowledge and experiences.

Although I have no aspirations on body building or heavy weight lifting, I am gratefull I found Lou Shulers site which led me hear. You all are great ladies and gentlemen and I appreciate the info you have compiled here. Again thanks and trust when I say. I hope to avail myself to you knowledge and experience.
[/quote]

You’re quite welcome and we certainly wish you the best. I’ll tell ya what. If you attack this smartly, You’re the kinda guy that I wouldn’t be shocked to find out WAS lifting heavy and gaining more than you might think right now. I’m not saying you should shoot for this necessarily from the start, but once you start down that road and see what happens you just might adjust your vision. You have that kind of determination.