I gotta say, it’s awesome to still see this thread going. I can’t say I’m following the Anabolic Diet currently.
However, after “cycling off” the AD close to two months ago, I find I’m a much better fat-burner than a carb burner - i.e. I feel more mentally sharp and alert, as well as better “body feel” on low carbs (~ 50g/day from veggies and incidentals).
So halloween on a tuesday this year… 6 pack of beer waiting in the fridge in preparation. will drinking on that day just fuck up everything or can you rarely and/or occasionally indulge on week days while on the AD. Meals will remain the same low carb affairs mon to fri.
Rarely and ocasionally isn’t going set you back forever, but the alcohol may screw up your metabolism for a few days. Personally I wouldn’t do it, but a year from now it won’t have made any lasting difference.
AD bump bacon and cheese and eggs and chicken with skin and oils on spoons and cheap mince with garlic
bump bump
[quote]dannyrat wrote:
AD bump bacon and cheese and eggs and chicken with skin and oils on spoons and cheap mince with garlic
bump bump[/quote]
I… see. Could I prevail upon you to elaborate?
Yeah, that was me. If i remember, trib made me out to be some gigolo or something!
Basically, in periods of exertion (any) i’ve just been sweating a lot more. and water is high. I can’t recall sitting without a pint, or going to classes without a litre, so i guess it’s just the diet. I’m going to try a drug called ‘driclor’ which is a roll-on, i’ll tell u how that goes.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Has anyone had any experience with a more …uhhh…“Aromatic” (yeah, thats the word) scent to ones sweat? =P
My sweat can be downright funky these days. Which kinda sucks because I’m in a tropical environment and there is no Air Conditioning when I’m working or working out.
Do you think this kind of lifestyle can lead to this problem?
If you have had this problem, how did you deal with it?
Somebody earlier in this thread was saying something about this. I can’t rememeber who, but it was quite a way’s back. I do sweat a bit more, but I haven’t had the enhanced BO thing.[/quote]
Reading about alcohol, i have a question.
Basically, i want to get drunk once a week, and keep gaining fine. I understand my hormonal levels will get messed up, so what supps could i take to sort it out?
Generally, i’m cool, but i’m a 3rd year uni student, and i’ve got to digest a hell of a lot of stuff all week, and on saturday friends, girls etc are calling…I just want to blow off steam and be irrational for a bit. where i’m at, for the masses any night is an excuse to get drunk, i’m being good and staying in/sober all week. Help a brother out.
There really aren’t any supps that’ll help you too much. Supps shouldn’t be used to make up for bad habbits. I am a college student too and i drink maybe once a week also. You might be able to still make progress anyway if you are young. Give it a shot and if you aren’t getting the results you’d expect you know what needs to change.
Wow…a whole lot of great info here. I read some of this thread and then promptly ordered the Anabolic Diet ebook from ebay and read that. I have a few questions:
Would it be worth buying the Anabolic Solution or Metabolic Diet ebooks?
How does the diet differ for powerlifters vs. bodybuilders vs. athletes? This isn’t really covered in the ebook. I play rugby and soccer, and am interested in gaining strength/power while also looking better.
Would meltdown training work with this diet? I know the training prescription in the ebook emphasizes high reps and short rest periods, which sounds just like meltdown…but meltdown also incorporates several HIIT workouts/week-- would this be OK?
I’ve read on this thread that initially you should go extremely low carb for 12 days before carbing up, but in the book it only says 5 days. Am I missing something?
How many calories should be consumed on carb up days? I know it depends on goals, but in the book it isn’t very clear on this. It mentions some lifters eating up to 10,000 but then the carb up day menus follow the same caloric guidelines as the week.
Nothing is really said about post/pre workout nutrition. In fact, he claims that you can even workout first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. What about post workout nutrition?
Are the supplement stacks he covers worth it? They’re quite extensive… What do you guys take?
Are there any long term health problems associated with the carb up periods? It seems like heavily spiking insulin levels every weekend and swinging from one extreme to the other must take its toll on the endocrine system…could R-ALA or something similar be utilized to control effects on blood sugar? I suppose this would negate the anabolic effects of the diet, though.
Thanks
[quote]solidgk wrote:
Wow…a whole lot of great info here. I read some of this thread and then promptly ordered the Anabolic Diet ebook from ebay and read that. I have a few questions:
Would it be worth buying the Anabolic Solution or Metabolic Diet ebooks?
How does the diet differ for powerlifters vs. bodybuilders vs. athletes? This isn’t really covered in the ebook. I play rugby and soccer, and am interested in gaining strength/power while also looking better.
Would meltdown training work with this diet? I know the training prescription in the ebook emphasizes high reps and short rest periods, which sounds just like meltdown…but meltdown also incorporates several HIIT workouts/week-- would this be OK?
I’ve read on this thread that initially you should go extremely low carb for 12 days before carbing up, but in the book it only says 5 days. Am I missing something?
How many calories should be consumed on carb up days? I know it depends on goals, but in the book it isn’t very clear on this. It mentions some lifters eating up to 10,000 but then the carb up day menus follow the same caloric guidelines as the week.
Nothing is really said about post/pre workout nutrition. In fact, he claims that you can even workout first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. What about post workout nutrition?
Are the supplement stacks he covers worth it? They’re quite extensive… What do you guys take?
Are there any long term health problems associated with the carb up periods? It seems like heavily spiking insulin levels every weekend and swinging from one extreme to the other must take its toll on the endocrine system…could R-ALA or something similar be utilized to control effects on blood sugar? I suppose this would negate the anabolic effects of the diet, though.
Thanks[/quote]
Take your off season to get used to the diet before playing your rugby/football season.
Meltdown is good if you neeed it but if you are playing sports all the time then I would find another program. fatloss hosuldn’t be a problem.
Do the 12 day break in. Yeah same guide lines as the week day but get 70-80% CHO in on those days.
For PWO get some isolate or hydrosylate whey. DR. Mauro isn’t really big on PWO. It depends on how it feels with you. I always use surge after hard training because for the amount of MMA training I do I need the recovery. Also, it buts me to bed like a dead baby. Then again my cho up cycle is not the traditional 5/2.
Don’t worry about the supps in the book. Just stick to the usual suspects. In fact you will likey not need much for supps on this program. steak is your powder and creatine. Fish oil is necessary though.
If you are worried about long term heath effects of insulin spikes then simply eat different CHO. Oatmeal does not spike insulin worth a damn. neither does any fruit or veggie. cake on the other hand… So keep most of your CHO up fruit and legit grains that digest slowly. And then before bed you can eat a whole box of cereal if you want to, but you don’t have to. If you do dont expect to wake up for 9 hours. Your CHO up doesn’t have to be cake to get most of the effects of a CHO up.
-chris
[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Yeah, that was me. If i remember, trib made me out to be some gigolo or something!
Basically, in periods of exertion (any) i’ve just been sweating a lot more. and water is high. I can’t recall sitting without a pint, or going to classes without a litre, so i guess it’s just the diet. I’m going to try a drug called ‘driclor’ which is a roll-on, i’ll tell u how that goes.
Tiribulus wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Has anyone had any experience with a more …uhhh…“Aromatic” (yeah, thats the word) scent to ones sweat? =P
My sweat can be downright funky these days. Which kinda sucks because I’m in a tropical environment and there is no Air Conditioning when I’m working or working out.
Do you think this kind of lifestyle can lead to this problem?
If you have had this problem, how did you deal with it?
Somebody earlier in this thread was saying something about this. I can’t rememeber who, but it was quite a way’s back. I do sweat a bit more, but I haven’t had the enhanced BO thing.
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You may want to watch out for these topical sweat medications. They can have bad side effects both short and long term. You might want to start thinking about your sodium levels and what type of veggies you are eating. Some veg (eg. asparagus, beetroot) cen make you smell pretty funky. Then again I sweat a ton but it smells like nothing but occasionally salt, if that is ideed a smell. Don’t want you dudes to get skin cell dysmorphia of any sort now do i.
-chris
How does this daily food intake sound?
I’m around 195. 195x18 is around 3500cals. This translates to 235gm fat, 317gm protein, and obviously <30gm carbs.
Here’s what I’ll be eating daily:
10 eggs
1lb lean ground beef (can substitute with real steak if i have cooking time)
6oz cheese
2tbsp flax oil
1/2 cup cottage cheese
1 handful nuts (almonds, walnuts)
1 can salmon (can sub with grilled salmon)
3-6gm fish oil
1-2 spinach salads with other high fiber, lower GI veggies, apple cider vinegar, and 1-2tbsp olive oil
This makes up 260gm fat, 260gm protein, and less than 30 gm carbs.
The other 50-60gm carbs I would get through liver tabs and PWO whey shake.
How does this look?
Other supps would include:
SuperNutrition OptiPack multi
ZMA
Greens supplement
Maybe extra fiber
Maybe tribulus
I thought you guys said this diet was expensive? The core calories come from the eggs, meat, and cheese. Actually, I could do 12 eggs, 1lb meat, 10oz cheese and get almost perfect macros (minus the healthier fats), for about $10 a day!
Incredible thread, first off.
I just started the diet last Monday and suffered through the first week, generally feeling tired and “off”. I’m using the diet mainly in terms of fat loss for right now. I’ve been at 7% for some time as a sticking point and would love to see myself at 5% and holding. I’ve realized that I’m going to need to go low-carb after following Berardi’s principles for the past year, especially after reading his Get Shredded Diet. A simple low-carb search led me here and I figured I’d give this so-called Anabolic Diet a try. I bought the e-book and I’ve been referencing it ever since. The incredible sense of energy and well-being finally hit me on Sunday and as I enter this 2nd week, I’m very much so looking forward to the feeling of a carb-load this upcoming weekend. I hear the feeling is amazing. So to recap: 6 rough days and then a monumental turn-around. Hopefully it’s all downhill as Dr. DiPasquale has said and the AD vets claim.
[quote]realpeanutbutter wrote:
For PWO get some isolate or hydrosylate whey. DR. Mauro isn’t really big on PWO. It depends on how it feels with you. I always use surge after hard training because for the amount of MMA training I do I need the recovery. Also, it buts me to bed like a dead baby. Then again my cho up cycle is not the traditional 5/2.
Don’t worry about the supps in the book. Just stick to the usual suspects. In fact you will likey not need much for supps on this program. steak is your powder and creatine. Fish oil is necessary though.
If you are worried about long term heath effects of insulin spikes then simply eat different CHO. Oatmeal does not spike insulin worth a damn. neither does any fruit or veggie. cake on the other hand… So keep most of your CHO up fruit and legit grains that digest slowly. And then before bed you can eat a whole box of cereal if you want to, but you don’t have to. If you do dont expect to wake up for 9 hours. Your CHO up doesn’t have to be cake to get most of the effects of a CHO up.
-chris
[/quote]
Dave Barr said that sleeping after spiking insulin is very catabolic. I don’t know, probably not a big deal.
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
Incredible thread, first off.
I just started the diet last Monday and suffered through the first week, generally feeling tired and “off”. I’m using the diet mainly in terms of fat loss for right now. I’ve been at 7% for some time as a sticking point and would love to see myself at 5% and holding. I’ve realized that I’m going to need to go low-carb after following Berardi’s principles for the past year, especially after reading his Get Shredded Diet. A simple low-carb search led me here and I figured I’d give this so-called Anabolic Diet a try. I bought the e-book and I’ve been referencing it ever since. The incredible sense of energy and well-being finally hit me on Sunday and as I enter this 2nd week, I’m very much so looking forward to the feeling of a carb-load this upcoming weekend. I hear the feeling is amazing. So to recap: 6 rough days and then a monumental turn-around. Hopefully it’s all downhill as Dr. DiPasquale has said and the AD vets claim.
You’re at 7% and you’re trying to cut? Am I misreading this?
[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Reading about alcohol, i have a question.
Basically, i want to get drunk once a week, and keep gaining fine. I understand my hormonal levels will get messed up, so what supps could i take to sort it out?
Generally, i’m cool, but i’m a 3rd year uni student, and i’ve got to digest a hell of a lot of stuff all week, and on saturday friends, girls etc are calling…I just want to blow off steam and be irrational for a bit. where i’m at, for the masses any night is an excuse to get drunk, i’m being good and staying in/sober all week. Help a brother out. [/quote]
this diet plus university = harsh. Damn you fella’s out there with your wives doin your cookin for ya. I’ve been the same and haven’t touched a drop in about a month but since i’ve only recently started the diet I’m wondering if it will destroy my fat adapting. Any tips for a fellow college student on nutrition by the way?
Here’s a question for the bulking phase: Would using heavy whipping cream in my protien shakes be a good way to ensure you get enough calories? I looked at one of these over the weekend and one cup of heavy whipping cream has like 800 calories. Would this be too much fat to ingest or would this be in line with the higher fat/high protien parameters of the Anabolic Diet?
[quote]allNatural wrote:
realpeanutbutter wrote:
For PWO get some isolate or hydrosylate whey. DR. Mauro isn’t really big on PWO. It depends on how it feels with you. I always use surge after hard training because for the amount of MMA training I do I need the recovery. Also, it buts me to bed like a dead baby. Then again my cho up cycle is not the traditional 5/2.
Don’t worry about the supps in the book. Just stick to the usual suspects. In fact you will likey not need much for supps on this program. steak is your powder and creatine. Fish oil is necessary though.
If you are worried about long term heath effects of insulin spikes then simply eat different CHO. Oatmeal does not spike insulin worth a damn. neither does any fruit or veggie. cake on the other hand… So keep most of your CHO up fruit and legit grains that digest slowly. And then before bed you can eat a whole box of cereal if you want to, but you don’t have to. If you do dont expect to wake up for 9 hours. Your CHO up doesn’t have to be cake to get most of the effects of a CHO up.
-chris
Dave Barr said that sleeping after spiking insulin is very catabolic. I don’t know, probably not a big deal.
[/quote]
Hmmmmm… I’d love to know why. From what I’ve studied sleep is anabolic as heck for a few reasons.
your hormone levels gear towards repair and restoration after a few hours sleep.
You use less calories
Your body (given a healthy GI tract) absorbs food best when your mind is most at rest. Theoraetically this is sleep because your mind is reduced to automatic cognition only and volutary cognition is out of the question unless you are a lucid dreamer, which is debatable. Therefore sleep after eating shouldn’t be catabolic as far as I can see but… one never knows.
Can you tell me where he said this or referenced it from? DB is usually quite well referenced. either way i hope to god it is minutae in the grand scheme of things. exam time fellas have fun.
-chris
[quote]ultimatethor wrote:
Here’s a question for the bulking phase: Would using heavy whipping cream in my protien shakes be a good way to ensure you get enough calories? I looked at one of these over the weekend and one cup of heavy whipping cream has like 800 calories. Would this be too much fat to ingest or would this be in line with the higher fat/high protien parameters of the Anabolic Diet?[/quote]
start with a tablespoon, then go up if you need to. Be sure to get fats from:
animals, eggs, fish oil, olive oil.
If you go over board on the cream you might find your self with some GI distress. Also the hormone content of common milk products makes me reluctant to recommend huge amounts of 35% HWC.
-chris
[quote]allNatural wrote:
ovalpline wrote:
Incredible thread, first off.
I just started the diet last Monday and suffered through the first week, generally feeling tired and “off”. I’m using the diet mainly in terms of fat loss for right now. I’ve been at 7% for some time as a sticking point and would love to see myself at 5% and holding. I’ve realized that I’m going to need to go low-carb after following Berardi’s principles for the past year, especially after reading his Get Shredded Diet. A simple low-carb search led me here and I figured I’d give this so-called Anabolic Diet a try. I bought the e-book and I’ve been referencing it ever since. The incredible sense of energy and well-being finally hit me on Sunday and as I enter this 2nd week, I’m very much so looking forward to the feeling of a carb-load this upcoming weekend. I hear the feeling is amazing. So to recap: 6 rough days and then a monumental turn-around. Hopefully it’s all downhill as Dr. DiPasquale has said and the AD vets claim.
You’re at 7% and you’re trying to cut? Am I misreading this?[/quote]
You read it correctly. I’m cutting mostly out of intrigue: I want to know how I look and what I feel like at 5%. Kind of a vain reason, really. I’ve just never been that low and I hear being absolutely shredded feels incredible. From there, I’ll probably resume my normal strength pursuits.