My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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Welcome aboard the AD express, Jinx.

There is a plethora of information on this thread and many people who can help you with any questions you may have.

While some of us are total noobs or at least only on the AD a few months, the veterans check in from time to time and offer tips/tricks as well (Disc Hoss, Sasha G, Vasudeva, for example).

I’m personally looking forward to seeing your progress as I’m really curious as to how females react to this eating lifestyle. (Especially because I have a few females asking me questions about it, and I’m not sure what exactly to answer as I have no direct experience with it).

Please keep us informed.

AD

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Welcome aboard the AD express, Jinx.

There is a plethora of information on this thread and many people who can help you with any questions you may have.

While some of us are total noobs or at least only on the AD a few months, the veterans check in from time to time and offer tips/tricks as well (Disc Hoss, Sasha G, Vasudeva, for example).

I’m personally looking forward to seeing your progress as I’m really curious as to how females react to this eating lifestyle. (Especially because I have a few females asking me questions about it, and I’m not sure what exactly to answer as I have no direct experience with it).

Please keep us informed.

AD[/quote]

This would be interesting to see indeed. I’m wondering how the obvious differences between males and females would effect how it works. I bet quite well actually.

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[quote]SashaG wrote:
So about a week ago I met with Dr. Kinakin, founder of SWIS, and he mentioned an interesting test that a lot of us on the AD would benefit in performing. The test is one that determines your body’s thyroid funtion.

Your thyroid are two small glands located just below your adam’s apple which secrete two hormones, T4 and T3, which help to control your metabolism through converting oxygen and calories into energy. This is obviously really important for those of us who are looking to lose fat but is equally important for those looking to build muscle as functionality has direct effects on protein synthesis (good/anabolic) and degradation (bad/catabolic).

So what does that mean? Well, often times, thyroid function becomes depressed when people chronically diet. A depressed thyroid gland means a decreased metabolic rate which is not so good for our body composition goals.

So how do we determine if our thyroids are operating optimally? Well, since we know the body needs iodine to produce thyroid cells (which are the only cells that actually require iodine for their production), we can test to see if our body has access enough iodine to regulate thyroid function.

What we need to do is pick up a bottle of 2.5% tincture iodine liquid from the drug store and apply a small 3’ patch somewhere on your upper arm. It’s a nice brown stain so that will help you know if you’ve picked up the right stuff. If the brown stain lasts:

  • 24+ hours - normal funtionality
  • 18-23 hours - mild dysfunction
  • 12-17 hours - moderate dysfunction
  • 11 hours or less - severe dysfunction

If you fall into one of the dysfunction categories, once the brown stain fades from your arm, re-apple the iodine. Continue to do so until you see some sort of skin irritation. Once you’ve reached this state, you can assume your thyroid function has returned to normal.

In terms of prevention/thryoid stimulation, this is what the carb ups are for on the AD. So for those folks in a cutting phase, please do not fear the CHO ups as they are ESSENTIAL to your cutting goals and stimulating your metabolism.

Just some food for thought.

Cheers,

Sasha
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SASHA THIS INFO WHICH U GIVES TO ALL OF US TIME AND AGAIN IS WORTH MENTIONING I WILL NOT FLATTER YOU …NOT ONLY U HAVE GREAT KNOWLEDGE BUT U SEEM TO BE REAALY A WONDERFUL PERSON WILLING TO HELP EVERY 1 FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART AND ON BEHALF OF EVERY 1 ON THIS THREAD I DEEPLY THANK YOU .

I WILL LIST M,Y SUPPLEMENTS OK

BEFORE WORKOUT-3CAP OF BCCA, I CAP OF TIGHT(FAT BURNER) AND 1 SERVING OF SUPERCHARGE IT HAS 3GMS OF CREATINE IN IT AND 9GMS OF CARBS

AFTER WORKOUT 3CAPS OF BCAA, 40GMS OF WHEY AND 5FISH OIL CAPS
ICAP OF CHROMIUIM.

DO U STILL FEEL NEED OF EXTRA CREATINE ? MAYBE 2GMS AFTER WORKOUT ?

BEFORE WORKOUT

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[quote]raviraj wrote:
SASHA THIS INFO WHICH U GIVES TO ALL OF US TIME AND AGAIN IS WORTH MENTIONING I WILL NOT FLATTER YOU …NOT ONLY U HAVE GREAT KNOWLEDGE BUT U SEEM TO BE REAALY A WONDERFUL PERSON WILLING TO HELP EVERY 1 FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART AND ON BEHALF OF EVERY 1 ON THIS THREAD I DEEPLY THANK YOU .

I WILL LIST M,Y SUPPLEMENTS OK

BEFORE WORKOUT-3CAP OF BCCA, I CAP OF TIGHT(FAT BURNER) AND 1 SERVING OF SUPERCHARGE IT HAS 3GMS OF CREATINE IN IT AND 9GMS OF CARBS

AFTER WORKOUT 3CAPS OF BCAA, 40GMS OF WHEY AND 5FISH OIL CAPS
ICAP OF CHROMIUIM.

DO U STILL FEEL NEED OF EXTRA CREATINE ? MAYBE 2GMS AFTER WORKOUT ?

BEFORE WORKOUT

[/quote]

Rav,

Thank you very much for the kind words and it’s honestly my pleasure to share anything and everything I pick up along the way. In all honesty, it’s been in the spirit of this thread that began long ago.

As for your question regarding creatine. Creatine supplementation tends be most effective post workout and while dossages vary from person to person I think that in your case taking 5 grams of pure monohydrate may help. The worst case scenario is you dispose of the excess not being used. Just a question for you about this product you’re taking pre-workout. The 9 grams of carbs, are those sugars? If so, I would steer away from them pre workout.

Hope it helps and good luck going forward.

Cheers,

Sasha

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[quote]SashaG wrote:
raviraj wrote:
SASHA THIS INFO WHICH U GIVES TO ALL OF US TIME AND AGAIN IS WORTH MENTIONING I WILL NOT FLATTER YOU …NOT ONLY U HAVE GREAT KNOWLEDGE BUT U SEEM TO BE REAALY A WONDERFUL PERSON WILLING TO HELP EVERY 1 FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART AND ON BEHALF OF EVERY 1 ON THIS THREAD I DEEPLY THANK YOU .

I WILL LIST M,Y SUPPLEMENTS OK

BEFORE WORKOUT-3CAP OF BCCA, I CAP OF TIGHT(FAT BURNER) AND 1 SERVING OF SUPERCHARGE IT HAS 3GMS OF CREATINE IN IT AND 9GMS OF CARBS

AFTER WORKOUT 3CAPS OF BCAA, 40GMS OF WHEY AND 5FISH OIL CAPS
ICAP OF CHROMIUIM.

DO U STILL FEEL NEED OF EXTRA CREATINE ? MAYBE 2GMS AFTER WORKOUT ?

BEFORE WORKOUT

Rav,

Thank you very much for the kind words and it’s honestly my pleasure to share anything and everything I pick up along the way. In all honesty, it’s been in the spirit of this thread that began long ago.

As for your question regarding creatine. Creatine supplementation tends be most effective post workout and while dossages vary from person to person I think that in your case taking 5 grams of pure monohydrate may help. The worst case scenario is you dispose of the excess not being used. Just a question for you about this product you’re taking pre-workout. The 9 grams of carbs, are those sugars? If so, I would steer away from them pre workout.

Hope it helps and good luck going forward.

Cheers,

Sasha
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ok sasha here are the properties
protien-2gms
carbs-6.5gms
sugars-0
creatine malate-1.5gm
n-acytel glutamine-1gm
taurine -1gm

and sasha this is a website …and i found a good articles which can help every 1 on the thread is about glycogen supercompesation and what carbs and timing of the carb load and everything Articles by Lyle McDonald
carb-up-and-ketogenic-diet.htm

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[quote]raviraj wrote:
SashaG wrote:
raviraj wrote:
SASHA THIS INFO WHICH U GIVES TO ALL OF US TIME AND AGAIN IS WORTH MENTIONING I WILL NOT FLATTER YOU …NOT ONLY U HAVE GREAT KNOWLEDGE BUT U SEEM TO BE REAALY A WONDERFUL PERSON WILLING TO HELP EVERY 1 FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART AND ON BEHALF OF EVERY 1 ON THIS THREAD I DEEPLY THANK YOU .

I WILL LIST M,Y SUPPLEMENTS OK

BEFORE WORKOUT-3CAP OF BCCA, I CAP OF TIGHT(FAT BURNER) AND 1 SERVING OF SUPERCHARGE IT HAS 3GMS OF CREATINE IN IT AND 9GMS OF CARBS

AFTER WORKOUT 3CAPS OF BCAA, 40GMS OF WHEY AND 5FISH OIL CAPS
ICAP OF CHROMIUIM.

DO U STILL FEEL NEED OF EXTRA CREATINE ? MAYBE 2GMS AFTER WORKOUT ?

BEFORE WORKOUT

Rav,

Thank you very much for the kind words and it’s honestly my pleasure to share anything and everything I pick up along the way. In all honesty, it’s been in the spirit of this thread that began long ago.

As for your question regarding creatine. Creatine supplementation tends be most effective post workout and while dossages vary from person to person I think that in your case taking 5 grams of pure monohydrate may help. The worst case scenario is you dispose of the excess not being used. Just a question for you about this product you’re taking pre-workout. The 9 grams of carbs, are those sugars? If so, I would steer away from them pre workout.

Hope it helps and good luck going forward.

Cheers,

Sasha

ok sasha here are the properties
protien-2gms
carbs-6.5gms
sugars-0
creatine malate-1.5gm
n-acytel glutamine-1gm
taurine -1gm

and sasha this is a website …and i found a good articles which can help every 1 on the thread is about glycogen supercompesation and what carbs and timing of the carb load and everything Articles by Lyle McDonald
carb-up-and-ketogenic-diet.htm [/quote]

Nutrition Facts
Serving Size: 1 scoop (14g)
Servings Per Container: 700g Bottle - 50 / Packets - 2**

Amount
Per Serving % Daily
Value*

Calories 35

Total Carbohydrates 9 g <1%

Sugars 0  g

Protein 0 g

Super Charge? Proprietary Blend 7 g ?

Phase1 -/Hemo-Dilation Complex ?

 Methylxanthines (caffeine)  150  mg ? 

 Nitrous Malate? (di-arginine malate) 3  g  ? 
 Taurine 1  g  ? 
 N-Acetyl-L-Glutamine <1  g  ?

Phase 2 - Strength & Endurance Complex ?
2CM? (di-creatine malate) 1.5 g ?
GuaniPro? (guanidinoproprionic acid) 250 mg ?
Glycovol? (glycocyamine) 250 mg ?
BetaPure? (betaine anhydrous) 1 g ?
Phase 3 - Post-Workout Recovery Complex
Humanofort? 50 mg ?
embryonic peptide matrix yielding
naturally occuring IGF-1, IGF2,
FGF (fibroblast growth factors),
NGF (nerve growth factors), EGF
(epidermal growth factors), CTGF
(connective tissue growth factors).

*Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.

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Yes, Sasha always has very detailed and useful info drawn from his much experience which I also greatly appreciate. Got some iodine today and after tomorrow’s shower it goes on my arm ;-]

–Tiribulus->

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Well, here is an update.

Now, I’ve only been on the AD for maybe 2 months or so…and the mirror shows big improvements in muscle size (“big improvements” for me, in any case), it appears the “small spare tire” is going away (slowly), and once training has begun energy is insanely high (but otherwise can be mellow).

Body weight has stayed pretty much the same, regardless.

I won’t post stats right now as I’m waiting until I hit the 4th month to assess things.

AD

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[quote]raviraj wrote:

 Glycovol? (glycocyamine)  250  mg  ?

[/quote]

Get rid of that supplement before you have a heart attack.

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[quote]allNatural wrote:
raviraj wrote:

 Glycovol? (glycocyamine)  250  mg  ?

Get rid of that supplement before you have a heart attack.[/quote]

Yes, this is some potentially nasty stuff

http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=05-018-feature

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Hows it lookin guys…5 days in. Todays food

Meal1 6sausages and4 bacon, 2 fishoil
Meal2 400g minced beef piece of cheese
Meal3 same as above with two psylium husk caps
Meal4 same as above
Meal5 you guessed it same as above

I see the lack of vegetables but don’t feel bad and am doing well for the mo with the psylium husks. Any tips or tweeks for that list since its gonna remain similar for the next several weeks. just bought 15kg of beef for a bit over a tenner…gotta use it somehow. am at sub8% bf and wanna get big for combat sports.

If IC or DH could chip in would be much appreciated. Bring on the vets

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By the way is a start up phase necessary in training? Since I’m sub7.8% body fat, can I go directly into mass building? I’m trying to move up several weight classes in kickboxing.

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[quote]OMC wrote:
By the way is a start up phase necessary in training? Since I’m sub7.8% body fat, can I go directly into mass building? I’m trying to move up several weight classes in kickboxing. [/quote]

Lemme throw a couple quick things toward both these posts. Your first one doesn’t say what kind of sausages or how big. With sausage be careful because they love to hide carbs in em. Actually bacon too. Read carefully. Also I don’t know with the bacon as well if I’d be comfortable with that much pork in my diet.

If it were me I’d throw a dozen whole eggs in there somewhere 6 at a time and eliminate at least one of the pork sources.

You also need some veggies not just for the fiber, but also the micronutrients they provide. The fish oil is a must defintitely. You may want to a grab some extra virgin olive oil. Quality fat and good balance for the meat sources.

A multivitamin/mineral is advisable as well imho. Twinlab makes one (caps) with monstrous doses of everything that I open and use 4 times each. I either pour the yellow powder right in my mouth or put it in my food.

For the second one. YES, YES, YES!!! You must do the induction phase as that lays the foundation for the whole plan. As for you being that lean you definitely and without reservation should shoot for gaining as soon as posible.

However, and please take this seriously, the benefits of this diet will take several weeks at least to begin to be obvious. It will also take you that long before you will be able to know what adjustments will need to be made and that will probably change again from time to time.

Also you may have some serious energy and water fluctuations during the first several weeks as well. The benefits are well worth the wait, but this isn’t a magic pill that will show results by next week. Just letting you know that.

–Tiribulus->

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
allNatural wrote:
raviraj wrote:

 Glycovol? (glycocyamine)  250  mg  ?

Get rid of that supplement before you have a heart attack.

Yes, this is some potentially nasty stuff

http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=05-018-feature[/quote]

ok guys …thanx for ur update will stay away from it for sure thanx again a lot -raviraj

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[quote]OMC wrote:
Hows it lookin guys…5 days in. Todays food

Meal1 6sausages and4 bacon, 2 fishoil
Meal2 400g minced beef piece of cheese
Meal3 same as above with two psylium husk caps
Meal4 same as above
Meal5 you guessed it same as above

I see the lack of vegetables but don’t feel bad and am doing well for the mo with the psylium husks. Any tips or tweeks for that list since its gonna remain similar for the next several weeks. just bought 15kg of beef for a bit over a tenner…gotta use it somehow. am at sub8% bf and wanna get big for combat sports.

If IC or DH could chip in would be much appreciated. Bring on the vets[/quote]

I agree with what has already been said as far as watching out for added carbs in sausage and bacon but just want to add that cured meats like these can also be high in nitrates and/or nitrites, and these things can bring on health problems if you get to much of them. Note that I’m not saying don’t eat them, just don’t get too carried away with them.

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[quote]ec_fritz wrote:
OMC wrote:
Hows it lookin guys…5 days in. Todays food

Meal1 6sausages and4 bacon, 2 fishoil
Meal2 400g minced beef piece of cheese
Meal3 same as above with two psylium husk caps
Meal4 same as above
Meal5 you guessed it same as above

I see the lack of vegetables but don’t feel bad and am doing well for the mo with the psylium husks. Any tips or tweeks for that list since its gonna remain similar for the next several weeks. just bought 15kg of beef for a bit over a tenner…gotta use it somehow. am at sub8% bf and wanna get big for combat sports.

If IC or DH could chip in would be much appreciated. Bring on the vets

I agree with what has already been said as far as watching out for added carbs in sausage and bacon but just want to add that cured meats like these can also be high in nitrates and/or nitrites, and these things can bring on health problems if you get to much of them. Note that I’m not saying don’t eat them, just don’t get too carried away with them.

[/quote]

This is why I only buy uncured bacon and sausage with no nitrates or preservatives added. It’s a lot more expensive, but the taste is far superior and I feel healthier doing this than ingesting commercial meat loaded with nitrates. Low fiber intake + Nitrates(both abundant for some people on carb-restricted diets) = a higher chance of colon cancer.

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One question:
Is it ok to start the carb up on Friday night at say 7 PM and end it on Sunday night at 7PM? Does anyone do it this way?

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
One question:
Is it ok to start the carb up on Friday night at say 7 PM and end it on Sunday night at 7PM? Does anyone do it this way?
[/quote]

it depends on ur goal if fat loss is ur goal …it will be better if u end it at saturday night

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
One question:
Is it ok to start the carb up on Friday night at say 7 PM and end it on Sunday night at 7PM? Does anyone do it this way?
[/quote]

That would be a little long for me. You’d have to try it and see how you respond. Personally I prefer dedicated days for the carb up. Meaning start in the morning when it’s been all night since my last high fat/protein meal. I think I remember Disc Hoss telling somebody Friday night would be ok though.

This way of eating has a few big principles and how you handle the details is very individual. Maybe Sasha or one of the other vets can elaborate further.

–Tiribulus->

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how do you schedule a carb up around a mid week holiday?with holloween, thanksgiving, and christmas all during the week how do you prepare for that carb load?