My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Dear all,

As bulking seems to be on the mind of many of those on the AD, I thought I would throw out a couple of points to consider.

The first has to do with maintaining/improving a certain level of leanness while “bulking.” On the AD, we have two independent sets of mechanics we can manipulate to improve our gains: overall caloric intake and macronutrient balances.

Once you determine your maintenance level caloric intake and develop an understanding of what macro balance works at that level, you can manipulate both to alter your body composition. One thing you NEED to consider is this only works once you’ve fully adapted to the AD lifestyle.

It makes no sense trying to determine a benchmark while your body is making a metabolic shift. Two months on the AD, then do it, your patience will be rewarded.

The second point I wanted to make has to do with energy balance while training to gain. Let’s say that on a given Wednesday you’re training while hypocaloric (caloric deficit), remember that your fat stores are there to support you in those moments. The exception comes if you are engaging in explosive type training that is entirely dependant on glycogen.

The final point has to do with CT’s article on bulking and Dr. D’s 10-15% rule. The truth is that there are only a few folks that actually apply to that protocol. Most people fall into the +15% category and get stuck with any kind of out.

What I believe the best approach is to focus on a modularised approach to body composition where you are constantly shifting your body in and out of different caloric intake patterns. This plays on the observation that the best gains/fat losses come in the first weeks of a program.

How we do this in the case of bulking is increase daily caloric intake over 4-6 weeks while focusing on a hypertrophy program where you are weight-training 4-5 days per week. Cardio is very much optional in this phase.

Once you complete this phase, you move into a strength training and HIIT phase for 3 weeks while gradually reducing calories week by week. You’re in the gym 3-4 days a week because of the increased CNS stress. As fat loss tapers off, you kick back into a new “bulking” phase with a new base level of calories, more muscle and an improved level of leanness.

The better you structure your programs over the longer term, the better your results will be. Patience is important but always set a benchmark, try, observe, reassess and change accordingly. There are loads of little tips you can use along the way and help is always one thread away.

Cheers all and shoot back with any ideas, questions, etc.

Sasha

Everything depends on what the individual person wants. When I started on this diet I was caught up in the “I wanna see my abs” thing. There’s nothing wrong with that until your next sentence is “I also wanna gain a significant amount of muscle in the next millenium”. I do believe this type of diet WILL allow muscle growth without getting fat. That is not, however, the same thing as being cut.

The average FFB who starts doing any kind of exercise and begins eating anything even approximating a decent diet will drop fat at a breakneck pace and may even gain a bit of muscle in the process. Psychologically, because the greatest positive and most visible change is the fat loss, that’s what they tend to keep chasing.

The trouble is once you get to a comparitively low, but not yet actually cut level you hit that metabolic fork in the road where you have to choose between continuing to get leaner or going for more size. This site is crawling right now with guys who don’t know they’re standing at that fork. not just this thread, but all over the place.

It’s been these sometimes heated debates in other threads that got me to slow down and get a fresh grasp on some old knowledge.

The bottom line is:

If you’re happy with the direction you’re moving then keep tweaking what you’ve been doing.

If you want to get leaner eat and train to get leaner.

If you want to get bigger you will have to eat bigger, train bigger and be satisfied with not being ripped for a while.

Once you drop a certain amount of flab you can’t have both at anything other than a see saw snails pace.

This book has been sitting on the shelf in the back of my mind all along. It took a little while though for me to blow it off and open it up again. For my money I want some more size and strength.

Once that’s accomplished it’ll be that much easier to burn off the remaining fat. Not saying that’s what anyone else should do, but for guys standing at that fork in the road, not choosing will lead you to frustration and burnout because nothing will kill your motivation like not seeing progress in whatever direction you want to go.

–Tiribulus->

[quote]SashaG wrote:
Dear all,

As bulking seems to be on the mind of many of those on the AD, I thought I would throw out a couple of points to consider.

The first has to do with maintaining/improving a certain level of leanness while “bulking.” On the AD, we have two independent sets of mechanics we can manipulate to improve our gains: overall caloric intake and macronutrient balances.

Once you determine your maintenance level caloric intake and develop an understanding of what macro balance works at that level, you can manipulate both to alter your body composition. One thing you NEED to consider is this only works once you’ve fully adapted to the AD lifestyle.

It makes no sense trying to determine a benchmark while your body is making a metabolic shift. Two months on the AD, then do it, your patience will be rewarded.

The second point I wanted to make has to do with energy balance while training to gain. Let’s say that on a given Wednesday you’re training while hypocaloric (caloric deficit), remember that your fat stores are there to support you in those moments. The exception comes if you are engaging in explosive type training that is entirely dependant on glycogen.

The final point has to do with CT’s article on bulking and Dr. D’s 10-15% rule. The truth is that there are only a few folks that actually apply to that protocol. Most people fall into the +15% category and get stuck with any kind of out.

What I believe the best approach is to focus on a modularised approach to body composition where you are constantly shifting your body in and out of different caloric intake patterns. This plays on the observation that the best gains/fat losses come in the first weeks of a program.

How we do this in the case of bulking is increase daily caloric intake over 4-6 weeks while focusing on a hypertrophy program where you are weight-training 4-5 days per week. Cardio is very much optional in this phase.

Once you complete this phase, you move into a strength training and HIIT phase for 3 weeks while gradually reducing calories week by week. You’re in the gym 3-4 days a week because of the increased CNS stress. As fat loss tapers off, you kick back into a new “bulking” phase with a new base level of calories, more muscle and an improved level of leanness.

The better you structure your programs over the longer term, the better your results will be. Patience is important but always set a benchmark, try, observe, reassess and change accordingly. There are loads of little tips you can use along the way and help is always one thread away.

Cheers all and shoot back with any ideas, questions, etc.

Sasha[/quote]

Hey Man,
Just a quick note to let you know not to take my last post as addressing this one. It wasn’t up yet when I posted it. Maybe I just didn’t notice before, but there seems to be a flood of mostly very new guys on this site in general lately who think they’re going to blow up and cut up all at once.

–Tiribulus->

[quote]ChrisAaron83 wrote:
I’m going to go ahead and start the AD tomorrow.

Question: Trader Joe’s Half and Half has the following nutritional information:

Calories per serving: 35
Calories from fat: 30
Protein: 1 gram
Carbs: 0 grams

But…every food database site on the web says half and half has carbs? What do I go by? Is Trader Joe’s Half and Half special?[/quote]

I wouldn’t go that crazy. This isn’t atkins where 1 or 2 carbs over the limit is going to ruin the diet. Be strict in the intro phase, but don’t drive yourself nuts!!! Protein, fat, fiber…concentrate on those, and then make sure your carbs are low. If half and half is a huge concern, just get some lite cream.

and keep your EFA’s up…get some Flame Out or Udo’s oil.

Hey everyone, slightly cheeky question.

I remember someone said they had compiled a Word file of ‘the best of the AD experience’. All chitchat cut out.

Whoever you are, can you PM me please?

I will make one myself if necessary, but obviously it’s best avoided

Cheers again

Didn’t see Johnny chainsaw’s post. What he said

[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
ChrisAaron83 wrote:
I’m going to go ahead and start the AD tomorrow.

Question: Trader Joe’s Half and Half has the following nutritional information:

Calories per serving: 35
Calories from fat: 30
Protein: 1 gram
Carbs: 0 grams

But…every food database site on the web says half and half has carbs? What do I go by? Is Trader Joe’s Half and Half special?

I wouldn’t go that crazy. This isn’t atkins where 1 or 2 carbs over the limit is going to ruin the diet. Be strict in the intro phase, but don’t drive yourself nuts!!! Protein, fat, fiber…concentrate on those, and then make sure your carbs are low. If half and half is a huge concern, just get some lite cream.

and keep your EFA’s up…get some Flame Out or Udo’s oil.
[/quote]

IT’s Il Cazzo. I spent a very long time reading the exchanges between you and DH in this leviathan of a thread when I first came here.

Yeah, during the induction phase I was really strict and even the first couple weeks after, but once I saw myself becoming fully adapted, meaning I could predict how I would feel on a given day, I eased up a bit. I probably hit 40g of cho once in a while and maybe even a little more than that on very rare days, but it’s going fine. Except for my having hurt myself over the weekend :-[

I started a thread about it in the building a better body room. Wadda bitch!

–Tiribulus->

Edit: EFA’s are a must for anybody. The more I read the more clear it becomes how beneficial they are. I use lots of EVOO as well.

Word Doc is still in the works…life (away from the computer) is a little loaded up right now.

I’ll tell everyone here when it’s ready.

Sorry for the delay. Real Life takes prescidence, ya know. :wink:

Just wanted to say hi, and let you all know I’m starting the AD tomorrow and I’m psyched. I plan to give it a really good shot - won’t be giving up anytime soon regardless of how the first few weeks feel. God, I hope they don’t suck too bad though. I’ve gone low carb before however, and been okay. Anyway, I’m currently bulking and trying to continue building strength while keeping body fat gain to a minimum. I’m probably about 18% right now, and definitely don’t want to add more fat. My diet’s always served me well, but I just wanted to try something really different and shake things up. Otherwise you never know what you’re missing right?

I’ll let you all know how I’m doing. Thanks to everyone who’s posted their experiences and replied to my PMs.

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Word Doc is still in the works…life (away from the computer) is a little loaded up right now.

I’ll tell everyone here when it’s ready.

Sorry for the delay. Real Life takes prescidence, ya know. ;)[/quote]

Yeah I worked for hours on one a while back I was going to convert to a pdf file and the damn thing got corrupted on me when we had a momentary power issue and the battery in my ups was dead. No amount of advanced recovery methods could save it. One of maybe 5 files that I’ve ever had this happen with. I’m thrilled that somebody else has undertaken an updated one :]

[quote]Jinx Me wrote:
Just wanted to say hi, and let you all know I’m starting the AD tomorrow and I’m psyched. I plan to give it a really good shot - won’t be giving up anytime soon regardless of how the first few weeks feel. God, I hope they don’t suck too bad though. I’ve gone low carb before however, and been okay. Anyway, I’m currently bulking and trying to continue building strength while keeping body fat gain to a minimum. I’m probably about 18% right now, and definitely don’t want to add more fat. My diet’s always served me well, but I just wanted to try something really different and shake things up. Otherwise you never know what you’re missing right?

I’ll let you all know how I’m doing. Thanks to everyone who’s posted their experiences and replied to my PMs. [/quote]

If you’ve done low carb before and made it thru workouts you should be fine. I honestly only feel like crap right before the carb up and that is mostly just mental. My lifts are still cool. Another thing. I’m not sure if 18% would be the right time to start bulking. It depends on your goals I guess, but I could be off here. Any thoughts?

hello every 1 …just came in to tell u my progress as sasha and disc hoss had told me …iam following Waterbury workouts that is 5x5 and this week i started also …the booster workouts …from Waterbury for my chest and back …belive me that workout gives mind blowing pumps …now iam sure that u really dont need carbs allways for a great pump …this life stlye of ad is really great …all my lifts have also increased dramatically iam on the ad for last 4 months and iam sure iam going to be a ader all my life . hope every 1 are doing great.
1 imp question to every 1 ? can we use creatine monohydrate after workout 5gms …the guy from whom i get my supplemets said …on a low crab diet its of no use as it needs glucose for uptake …ur suggestions and thoughts are welcome .

[quote]raviraj wrote:
hello every 1 …just came in to tell u my progress as sasha and disc hoss had told me …iam following Waterbury workouts that is 5x5 and this week i started also …the booster workouts …from Waterbury for my chest and back …belive me that workout gives mind blowing pumps …now iam sure that u really dont need carbs allways for a great pump …this life stlye of ad is really great …all my lifts have also increased dramatically iam on the ad for last 4 months and iam sure iam going to be a ader all my life . hope every 1 are doing great.
1 imp question to every 1 ? can we use creatine monohydrate after workout 5gms …the guy from whom i get my supplemets said …on a low crab diet its of no use as it needs glucose for uptake …ur suggestions and thoughts are welcome .[/quote]

Many pages back I asked the same question and Disc Hoss told me that 6g of post-workout creatine has been shown to give an increase to protein synthesis. I believe he was referring to an old Dave Barr article, but that’s all I remember off hand and I’m not sure how much it will help.

Regardless, I do it. Every little bit helps. :wink:

I have a couple questions maybe someone could help me with. Been on the AD for about 3 months now and its going pretty good. Gone from 190 11%(calipers) while eating below maint to about 202 12%(calipers) before my carb up. A little fat gain so far. I drank heavy for a couple of the carb ups and I think that is when the fat came on. My goal over the next 7 months is to go up to 230 and hopefully under 16 %bf… But anyway on to the questions…

  1. I carb up sat, sun fairly clean. I workout mon/thur/sat. Would it be OK to eat 2 heavy carb up meals before my sat. workout? I don’t get any pump on sat. and feel a little weak/flat and foggy because I have been waiting until after the workout to carb up. I read somewhere that carbs before a workout will increase cortisol in the blood and that this will be catabolic during the workout.

  2. Anyone else feel that the first workout after their carb up is the best one of the week? I had more weight on the bar on every lift monday and the workout felt better than saturday. And the pump is pretty awesome on this day. My arms/shoulders really look great.

By the way I am running with the HST program from Hypertrophy-specific.com . I used it last spring for a bulk from 190 to 220. I love the full body workouts.

Thanks,
beau

[quote]Jinx Me wrote:
Just wanted to say hi, and let you all know I’m starting the AD tomorrow and I’m psyched. I plan to give it a really good shot - won’t be giving up anytime soon regardless of how the first few weeks feel. God, I hope they don’t suck too bad though. I’ve gone low carb before however, and been okay. Anyway, I’m currently bulking and trying to continue building strength while keeping body fat gain to a minimum. I’m probably about 18% right now, and definitely don’t want to add more fat. My diet’s always served me well, but I just wanted to try something really different and shake things up. Otherwise you never know what you’re missing right?

I’ll let you all know how I’m doing. Thanks to everyone who’s posted their experiences and replied to my PMs. [/quote]

Jinx,

Great to have you as a part of the team. As to your post, the best piece of advice I can pass along is to focus on first the induction phase and first couple of months on the AD. It will help you develop a benchmark in which to work from moving forward.

We’re all here to help and as hopefully you’ll have noticed, this is one area of T-Nation that is free from angry flames and intolerable posts so no matter the question, post away.

Good luck and keep us updated on your results.

Cheers,

Sasha

[quote]raviraj wrote:
hello every 1 …just came in to tell u my progress as sasha and disc hoss had told me …iam following Waterbury workouts that is 5x5 and this week i started also …the booster workouts …from Waterbury for my chest and back …belive me that workout gives mind blowing pumps …now iam sure that u really dont need carbs allways for a great pump …this life stlye of ad is really great …all my lifts have also increased dramatically iam on the ad for last 4 months and iam sure iam going to be a ader all my life . hope every 1 are doing great.
1 imp question to every 1 ? can we use creatine monohydrate after workout 5gms …the guy from whom i get my supplemets said …on a low crab diet its of no use as it needs glucose for uptake …ur suggestions and thoughts are welcome .[/quote]

Rav,

Creatine is actually a great supplement to include as a part of the AD. It will aid in protein synthesis as well as help to extend your ATP energy cycles throughout the week. It’s been a staple in my supplement regime on the AD.

Other supplements I use include:

  • Greens+
  • BCAAs
  • Zinc
  • Magnesium
  • R-ALA (CHO ups)
  • Vanadle Sulfate (CHO ups)
  • Betaine HCL (a trial based on the Poliquin article)
  • Multivitamin

Cheers all,

Sasha

So about a week ago I met with Dr. Kinakin, founder of SWIS, and he mentioned an interesting test that a lot of us on the AD would benefit in performing. The test is one that determines your body’s thyroid funtion.

Your thyroid are two small glands located just below your adam’s apple which secrete two hormones, T4 and T3, which help to control your metabolism through converting oxygen and calories into energy. This is obviously really important for those of us who are looking to lose fat but is equally important for those looking to build muscle as functionality has direct effects on protein synthesis (good/anabolic) and degradation (bad/catabolic).

So what does that mean? Well, often times, thyroid function becomes depressed when people chronically diet. A depressed thyroid gland means a decreased metabolic rate which is not so good for our body composition goals.

So how do we determine if our thyroids are operating optimally? Well, since we know the body needs iodine to produce thyroid cells (which are the only cells that actually require iodine for their production), we can test to see if our body has access enough iodine to regulate thyroid function.

What we need to do is pick up a bottle of 2.5% tincture iodine liquid from the drug store and apply a small 3’ patch somewhere on your upper arm. It’s a nice brown stain so that will help you know if you’ve picked up the right stuff. If the brown stain lasts:

  • 24+ hours - normal funtionality
  • 18-23 hours - mild dysfunction
  • 12-17 hours - moderate dysfunction
  • 11 hours or less - severe dysfunction

If you fall into one of the dysfunction categories, once the brown stain fades from your arm, re-apple the iodine. Continue to do so until you see some sort of skin irritation. Once you’ve reached this state, you can assume your thyroid function has returned to normal.

In terms of prevention/thryoid stimulation, this is what the carb ups are for on the AD. So for those folks in a cutting phase, please do not fear the CHO ups as they are ESSENTIAL to your cutting goals and stimulating your metabolism.

Just some food for thought.

Cheers,

Sasha

Sasha- i saw that Poliquin article too, mind-blowing! Let me know how that HCI experiment goes, i might try that. If it works, i might get on it too, to see for myself!

Disc Hoss- I was just munching bacon, reading your post on the Waterbury thread, very cool. I’ve got total respect for the guy, but i still don’t want to break my AD.

What would your take on the pre,peri and post-workout drinks be? Good idea? Got any alternative ideas for ADers? Cheers

Sasha G:
Thanks for the thyroid tip. Stuff like that is always interesting.
As for workout drinks, I just do the post-workout drink of 48g protein and 1 tblsp of ground flax seed. I haven’t had the need for a different arrangement as I hit the gym after my breakfast of eggs, cheese and meat, which keeps me ticking over until the end of the workout about 4 hours later. The Power Drive probably helps. I do take 5g of BCAA with Beta Alanine before and after.

Welcome Jinx. My advice, as it has been, is to give it lots of time, just like reading the whole thread itself. It’s like the lifting itself: it takes time for the effects to really show. After a few months it has become second nature, and details are coming into my legs without really trying.

I’m going to try the mid week little carb up strategy, taking in about 250g on Wednesday, and 700g on Saturdays. Want to see how it will work with my current routine. If it doesn’t work, eh, what’s the problem, I just go back to what I know works.
Have fun.
Wenzi

Hey Sasha,
That’s really intersting about the thyroid test. I’ll have to check that out. I couldn’t agree more with these guys about giving it time. I had ups and downs for about the first six weeks and then everything smoothed out. Creatine does seem to be helping my strength too. At least until I hurt myself last weekend as Dannyrat knows.

To the guy asking about workout energy, I gotta be honest. All my workouts anytime of the week are just about as good as one another now. It too a litle while, but even later in the week I don’t seem to have significant energy issues anymore.

–Tiribulus->