My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Hi Folks,
I’ve spent the last 4 days reading this thread and other stuff regarding low-carb/high-fat/high-protein lifestyles. The more I really think about it the more sense it does make. Lemme please post a quote from myself @ diabetesforums.com as an intro:

"I thought I’d maybe just tell what’s happened to me up to this point. I’m giving no advice and am sure that many here know much more about this disease than I do. In the early 90’s in my late twenties I was a fitness entusiast with very extensive and sophisticated knowledge of all the things that produce and maintain human health.

Our doctor at the time told me that I was the finest specimen of physical fitness on all levels that he had seen in 18 years of practice. I had gained almost 40 pounds of muscle, was 6 percent body fat, could run 10 miles without blinking and all the vital stats were perfect. To make a very long story very short I allowed the vicissitudes of life to get the best of me and I fell into a pattern of heavy drinking, very poor diet and a generally sluggish existence.

Needless to say this plummeted me into obesity, poor health and ultimately, as it turns out, a diabetic state. While drifting in and out of conciousness and sweating like a pig, the emergency room folks told me my blood pressure was sky high and my blood glucose levels we’re almost 600 several hours after the last time I’d eaten anything. This was about five years ago.

I ignored it which is one of the most insidious things about diabetes, it doesn’t kill you right away and sometimes you can’t even tell anything’s wrong so you figure you’ll deal with it later. Later has come for me. After a few more episodes and reading enough and hearing from at least one person personally aquainted with someone who went blind from diabetes I was scared into taking action.

In the building where I work a man gave me a free Freestyle Flash testing kit 5 month s ago with all the widgets to keep it working until now. At that time my glucose levels according to the meter were over 400 almost all the time and over 500, at which point it just reads high, for much of the time. In mid March of this year I buckeled down, quit drinking, pulled all my old fitness knowledge off the dusty shelf in my brain, bought a bunch of home weightlifting equipment, which is cheaper than one might think and got to work.

Since then I’ve lost 8 inches off my waistline, am actually starting to look muscular again, can run 3 miles in 28 minutes and best of all my glucose readings average high 90’s to fairly rare highs in the 130’s, but usually around 110 to 120. Not perfect I know, but much better than before and I’m still learning. I’m 42 now and am just glad I saw the light before I did any permenant damage which the doctor says I haven’t done near as he can tell.

I do workout quite hard and live on a food glop I make out of carefully selected nutritious foods eaten in small portions 6 times a day. Don’t know how all this will pan out over the coming years, but for now I feel pretty good and hope for even further improvements. Like I say, just telling the story hoping someone may find it interesting.

–Tiribulus-> Detroit"

My goal, as is most people’s I guess, is to get as big as I can and hopefully get to around 8% BF. I’ve made quite noticable gains and lost a TON of fat in the last few months though I have not weighed myself or had a body composition analysis done. Folks tell me I look easily 10-15 years younger than I did earlier this year. However, I’m beginning to feel a bit tired here and there and have hit an absolute wall with fat loss.

I still have some softness I’d really love to shed. I train very hard: quads, hams and calves Mon., Abs, Back and Bis Wed., chest, tris and delts Sat. I also do 30 min of mod-high int. aerobics 4 times a week, but never on or after leg day. High intensity was what worked before, so that’s what I’vebeen doing now. After doing full body workouts light n high 4 times over 2 weeks I buckled down and starting going for things like double drop sets, eccentric only etc. Like I say I’ve gotten good results.

This way of eating really intrigues me, but I have some reservations as it relates to diabetes and overall long term health though I do see guys like Disc Hoss have been on it for years with only beneficial results. Presently I’m eating the pretty standard high quality (ultra clean) diet consisting of about 30/30/40 fats/proteins/carb respectively. I don’t even know if I’m asking anything or justing airing my thoughts generally.

I’m inclined to try this out, or at least some version of it and watch the glucose meter closely. I’m just not 25 anymore and am a little trepidacious though. Understand, I have NO problem believing against convention and wouldn’t be shocked to have it confirmed that everything I’d ever thought I learned about macronutrients was in error. I have the anabolic diet in e-book format am in the middle of reading it as well as having read this whole thread.

I’ll probably decide to give it a shot and just thought I’d say hello and share my viewpoint.
Thanks,

–Tiribulus->

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
a whole lot

–Tiribulus->[/quote]

You read this whole thread AND have the e-book and are still thinking about trying it? Damn, when I first heard about the AD, I started it and don’t even have the book. Anyway, IMO, the AD is the last type of diet conducive to diabetes, unless of course your carbups consists of dumping sugar down your face. Heres an eye-opening link about diabetes…

Hows this looking?

Total: 3215
Fat: 223 2009 63%
Sat: 64 576 18%
Poly: 35 317 10%
Mono: 83 745 23%
Carbs: 37 98 3%
Fiber: 13 0 0%
Protein: 268 1071 34%

Do you think i need to add more saturated fats ?

That was yesterdays meal

[quote]salamanzer wrote:
Hows this looking?

Total: 3215
Fat: 223 2009 63%
Sat: 64 576 18%
Poly: 35 317 10%
Mono: 83 745 23%
Carbs: 37 98 3%
Fiber: 13 0 0%
Protein: 268 1071 34%

Do you think i need to add more saturated fats ?

That was yesterdays meal
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No, you need more fish oil. Thats a very large meal.

[quote]allNatural wrote:
salamanzer wrote:
Hows this looking?

Total: 3215
Fat: 223 2009 63%
Sat: 64 576 18%
Poly: 35 317 10%
Mono: 83 745 23%
Carbs: 37 98 3%
Fiber: 13 0 0%
Protein: 268 1071 34%

Do you think i need to add more saturated fats ?

That was yesterdays meal

No, you need more fish oil. Thats a very large meal. [/quote]

Ok first “yesterdays meal” is a bit misleading - that was the whole days meal intake (6 meals).

Do i really need more fish oil - on top of my food im already taking olive oil, flax and 12 x 1grm tabs of Omega-3

Do i need more poly fats ? I feel so bloated just eating that !

Oh well needs must :slight_smile: More fish it is !

[quote]allNatural wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
a whole lot

–Tiribulus->

You read this whole thread AND have the e-book and are still thinking about trying it? Damn, when I first heard about the AD, I started it and don’t even have the book. Anyway, IMO, the AD is the last type of diet conducive to diabetes, unless of course your carbups consists of dumping sugar down your face. Heres an eye-opening link about diabetes…

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Another guy PM’d me with some really good stuff related to diabetes as well. For some reason this link is blocked by my company’s firewall, but I’ll check it out when I get home. The low carb aspect didn’t concern me as much as the carb up. I was also a bit concerned about energy for the Wed. or sometimes Thurs. back, bis and abs workout, but with a bit o tweaking I believe that can be handled. I just need to get a shopping list and some money now. I now what I need to get, but money is verrrry tight for a bunch of reasons right now.

Like I say, I have a very healthy (no pun intended) scepticism about the medical establishment and commonly accepted practices about lots of things so this would be just another in a long line of forehead smackers. Tiribulus smacks forehead with palm while exclaiming “of course, why didn’t I think of this before” . Could be as bad as when I first learned that I needed more rest and not more work lo those many years ago. I’ll keep ya posted.

–Tiribulus->

Got real bummed out this morning…scale said I put on 3lbs since last week. I didn’t believe it, so I grabbed the tape measure to check my waiste…and it was an inch larger than last week! WTF!

My goal is to loose fat. I’ve been on it for over 3 weeks, is this a common thing?

Guys… does lettuce do anything to insulin? Becuz i dont want my insulin goin up on my low carb days… I usually eat bits of lettuce in my tuna salad consisting of mayonaise, olive oil, and tuna of course, lol.

[quote]DTAlexONE wrote:
Guys… does lettuce do anything to insulin? Becuz i dont want my insulin goin up on my low carb days… I usually eat bits of lettuce in my tuna salad consisting of mayonaise, olive oil, and tuna of course, lol.[/quote]

UR really guna hav 2 cut (no pun intended LOLOL)out the lettuz cuz itz bad 4 insulin and could debeetiz, specially w/ manaze. Even “bitz” iz 2 much LOL!ROTFLMAO!!!

Edit: After thinking that I was joking with you, it occured to me that you might be serious. If so I apologize.

[quote]djohns wrote:
Got real bummed out this morning…scale said I put on 3lbs since last week. I didn’t believe it, so I grabbed the tape measure to check my waiste…and it was an inch larger than last week! WTF!

My goal is to loose fat. I’ve been on it for over 3 weeks, is this a common thing?
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No worries bro. Its probably water weight. Are you fresh off a carbup? Are you not fat-adapted and eating too much? If its in fact not water weight, stop eating so much. I’d also recommend spelling lose l-o-s-e. Unless your goal is in fact “loose fat” in which case, keep eating too much. :slight_smile:

To my understanding now…you subtract fiber from carb total to get new total.
My protein shake has 10g carbs in it (I know, thats alot). I have some powdered fiber supplement, that has 5g total carb, coming from 5g fiber. If I add a teaspoon of that to my shake, does it actually reduce the shakes total carb count to only 5g, or just balance itself back to 10?

[quote]aspengc8 wrote:
To my understanding now…you subtract fiber from carb total to get new total.
My protein shake has 10g carbs in it (I know, thats alot). I have some powdered fiber supplement, that has 5g total carb, coming from 5g fiber. If I add a teaspoon of that to my shake, does it actually reduce the shakes total carb count to only 5g, or just balance itself back to 10?[/quote]

balances

[quote]aspengc8 wrote:
To my understanding now…you subtract fiber from carb total to get new total.
My protein shake has 10g carbs in it (I know, thats alot). I have some powdered fiber supplement, that has 5g total carb, coming from 5g fiber. If I add a teaspoon of that to my shake, does it actually reduce the shakes total carb count to only 5g, or just balance itself back to 10?[/quote]

No. You dont cancel out already digested carbs with fiber…you just dont count the carbs coming from the fiber ingested

[quote]allNatural wrote:
DTAlexONE wrote:
Guys… does lettuce do anything to insulin? Becuz i dont want my insulin goin up on my low carb days… I usually eat bits of lettuce in my tuna salad consisting of mayonaise, olive oil, and tuna of course, lol.

UR really guna hav 2 cut (no pun intended LOLOL)out the lettuz cuz itz bad 4 insulin and could debeetiz, specially w/ manaze. Even “bitz” iz 2 much LOL!ROTFLMAO!!![/quote]

Whatever

[quote]djohns wrote:
Got real bummed out this morning…scale said I put on 3lbs since last week. I didn’t believe it, so I grabbed the tape measure to check my waiste…and it was an inch larger than last week! WTF!

My goal is to loose fat. I’ve been on it for over 3 weeks, is this a common thing?
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Yeah, if you’re coming off a refeed you’ll probably be more ‘bloated’ and holding more water than before you went on it (say, Friday when you were dry versus Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday when you aren’t) and that few pounds will go away during the week and depending on your workouts.

This is what i’ve been running into each week since my first refeed. I’m at one weight when i’m pretty dry on Friday morning, then come Monday i’m up several pounds. But, the following Friday i’ll be down another pound or two from the previous Friday. Progress. Plus, I can see and feel the muscle mass and strength differences.

I’ve got alot of lard to lose before I get to the point that I could notice ‘smoothing out’ to know when to stop refeeding, but if you’re closer to your goal that could be something to watch for gauging progress.

[quote]allNatural wrote:
No worries bro. Its probably water weight. Are you fresh off a carbup? Are you not fat-adapted and eating too much? If its in fact not water weight, stop eating so much. I’d also recommend spelling lose l-o-s-e. Unless your goal is in fact “loose fat” in which case, keep eating too much. :)[/quote]

LOFL! Thanks bud, and I’ll watch the spelling! I’ve taken a good look at my macros today, and I may have not been getting enough protein. It appears I’ve only been getting around 150 grams a day (I weigh around 200.) Plus I probably am not drinking enough water. Gonna get the fat/protein ration to around 3/2, which is what I believe is recommended.

i weighed myself once after a carbup bad idea. so now i weigh and do body fat testing on fridays.

Ok, I have now been on this diet for 8 days. The past few days were absolutely horrible for me. The worst I’ve had in a longgggggg time. Sick and muscles completely lacking energy.

Well, I woke up today and BAM! God damn I felt great. I worked out today harder than I’ve worked out in months. Needless to say it felt wonderful.

Well anyway, this is day 8 and Im taking a 13 day startup period (because August 16th is my birthday and I wanna carb up then :-)). Theres no doubt in my mind that my body already made the metabolic shift (I was on pretty low carb before so I figured it wouldnt take to long).

My question is, on you all’s first carb up day did you gain a lot of fat? I’m planning on eating carbs at pretty much every meal on August 16th. So my question is how you all’s bodies reacted to it and what worked best with keeping the water weight, bloating, and fat gain under control?

[quote]Bizmark wrote:

My question is, on you all’s first carb up day did you gain a lot of fat? I’m planning on eating carbs at pretty much every meal on August 16th. So my question is how you all’s bodies reacted to it and what worked best with keeping the water weight, bloating, and fat gain under control?[/quote]

I didn’t gain fat on my first carb-up, I think it all went to my muscles. Just don’t overdo it. You’ll probably go crazy on your birthday with alcohol carbs and fatass cake so 1,1.5 days would probably be a good idea. don’t drink as much water as you would the couple days before and on the carb up.

It takes water to replenish glycogen but if you don’t provide it, your body will use your subcutaneous (under the skin) water. This will actually make you look dryer.

[quote]allNatural wrote:
… don’t drink as much water as you would the couple days before and on the carb up.

It takes water to replenish glycogen but if you don’t provide it, your body will use your subcutaneous (under the skin) water. This will actually make you look dryer.
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Really?
Is this true?
I have never heard this before -very interesting :slight_smile:
…and no, I’m not being a wise-guy…I mean it. I’m definitely going to try this!