[quote]DTAlexONE wrote:
Yo guys, I took olive oil for the first time today, and it STUNG my throat and i almost puked. Is this normal? If so, do you guys just say fuck it and drink it? Or do you guys do something to prevent that from happening. I’m sorry that I sound like a girlie man, lol but I can’t fathom taking that shit liberally almost everday. [/quote]
what kind are you using? I have extra virgin olive oil that came in a can, goes down no problem.
[quote]DTAlexONE wrote:
Yo guys, I took olive oil for the first time today, and it STUNG my throat and i almost puked. Is this normal? If so, do you guys just say fuck it and drink it? Or do you guys do something to prevent that from happening. I’m sorry that I sound like a girlie man, lol but I can’t fathom taking that shit liberally almost everday. [/quote]
I live in Crete, Greece which is the motherland of olive oil.
One thing we’re sure about olive oil down here is that if it is even slightly bitter and burns your throat it is definately not extra virgin.
Not everybody who claims to sell extra virgin olive oil tells the truth, so don’t trust the labels. Instead, try different brands until you find a product that’s smooth in your throat.
As far as it concerns the taste in your mouth, i too hated it at first but i loved it after a while. Afterall it is much better that the taste of flaxseed oil or milled flax or lots of other nutritious but not so tasteful foods we eat every day!
Well… the brand that I bought claims to be cold hard pressed, no heat or chemical. Canned in italy, but the oil is imported from spain and other countries. Also, it is extra virgin olive oil, and I heard somewhere that the sting usually signifies that its of good quality. This stuff real makes me want to puke, I got to man up to it cuz there are no other alternatives. I don’t kno wat to do.
ANOTHER THING, does the grade of olive oil matter in this diet? Because, taste buds and coloring aside, all the grades seem to have the same nutrition, like 10 grams of monounsaturated fat, 2 grams of saturated fat, and 2 grams of polyunsaturated fat. I mean, does grade really matter as long as we’re getting the 10 grams of monounsaturated fat?
[quote]DTAlexONE wrote:
Well… the brand that I bought claims to be cold hard pressed, no heat or chemical. Canned in italy, but the oil is imported from spain and other countries. Also, it is extra virgin olive oil, and I heard somewhere that the sting usually signifies that its of good quality. This stuff real makes me want to puke, I got to man up to it cuz there are no other alternatives. I don’t kno wat to do.
ANOTHER THING, does the grade of olive oil matter in this diet? Because, taste buds and coloring aside, all the grades seem to have the same nutrition, like 10 grams of monounsaturated fat, 2 grams of saturated fat, and 2 grams of polyunsaturated fat. I mean, does grade really matter as long as we’re getting the 10 grams of monounsaturated fat? [/quote]
Here’s my two cents regarding olive oil. First, buy organic. I know it’s expensive, and believe me it’s the only thing I buy organic. I shell out the big bucks because it makes sense to me that an oil (being a nonpolar compound) would be a concentrated source of environmental compounds that are also nonpolar (lots of pesticides). Said differently, an oil crop, in this case an olive tree, will accumulate pollutants in it’s fat just like a person would.
Two, I buy glass jars. I do this because metal cans can have a plastic liner and the plastic can leach out into the oil. Make sure the glass is opaque to protect polyphenolic compounds.
Finally, yes, buy extra virgin. That peppery tang and bright, “green” taste are signs that it contains the beneficial phytochemicals we want in our oil. If you’re oil doesn’t have a strong flavor at all, I would be wary. The better an oil I buy, the stronger and fresher olive flavor it has.
Hope that helps,
Conor
Right now I only drink flax oil. Should I start drinking olive oil to balance out my poly and mono fats?
Flax oil has ~10 grams of polyunsaturated fats and ~2 grams of momounsaturated fat.
Olive oil has ~10 grams of Monounsaturated fat and ~2 grams of polyunsaturated fats.
[quote]g.anagno wrote:
Not everybody who claims to sell extra virgin olive oil tells the truth, so don’t trust the labels. Instead, try different brands until you find a product that’s smooth in your throat.
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I just love the idea of sitting down with a shot glass and 5 bottles of olive oil, doing a taste test.
I have been on this diet since last Saturday.
But I have noticed im having some pains now and again in my lower right back (kidneys??) -
Do you think this could be due to my large increase in protein intake or maybe im just not adapting to this low-carb diet.
Other than that im feeling ok - energy is still good, heart rate hasnt gone up, and im losing some weight too.
Im drink at a minimum 1 Gallon of bottled water per day.
Any ideas?
If you vetarans at this diet could answer this question for me real quick…
What would be best to mix my creatine with in a post workout drink now that Surge is out of the picture?
[quote]Bizmark wrote:
If you vetarans at this diet could answer this question for me real quick…
What would be best to mix my creatine with in a post workout drink now that Surge is out of the picture?[/quote]
I just like a scoop or 2 of Metabolic riveD and some BCAAs
Just got back from a weekend of gluttony. Went to a wedding reception and was forced into extending my carbup. Pain in my ass. I’m going to cut calories and do more HIT workouts in moderation.
As far as PWO drinks goes, I use a couple ounces of coconut milk, some ice, water, and Premium Whey with some sugar free pudding mix for taste. Awesome taste. I decided on coconut milk because I’ve read that the medium chain triglycerides are predisposed to being used as energy, despite being sat. fat. Anyone know if I’m right about this?
Man I can’t belive how much great info is on this thread! You guys rock!
[quote]salamanzer wrote:
I have been on this diet since last Saturday.
But I have noticed im having some pains now and again in my lower right back (kidneys??) -
Do you think this could be due to my large increase in protein intake or maybe im just not adapting to this low-carb diet.
Other than that im feeling ok - energy is still good, heart rate hasnt gone up, and im losing some weight too.
Im drink at a minimum 1 Gallon of bottled water per day.
Any ideas?[/quote]
Well…I’m not a doctor…but I play one on TV…
Seriously -have you been drinking a lot of soda-pop? Caffeinated drinks? Crystal Light or other artificially sweetened drinks?
The pain you describe sounds like it may be gall bladder related. That’s the general area you described -and having also had the same experience a time or two…I’ve sought medical advice. The doc I consulted explained it quite well -wish I could remember the mumbo-jumbo 
I can usually trace my pain to excessive caffiene consumption (Diet Coke fan) but I know others have this same occurance consuming excessive quantities of artificially flavored/sweetened drinks.
My advice is to drink nothing but water for a while -see if the pain diminishes. My guess is that it will.
Then you can re-introduce your drinks of choice a bit at a time till you find your limit.
peace
[quote]mikemazz wrote:
pauli
tell me what you did to fine tune things. i want the stregth,muscle gains and body fat drop and i belive i can accomplsih this only on the ad,the other way of eating doesnt do it for me.i get fat and gross but stronger and more muscle and then like the book said i cut and lose it all.its a horrid cycle.lol[/quote]
I’m certainly not an expert -but I can tell you what works for me…
First:
-go back to the first phase, the Mass Phase of the diet, as prescribed by Dr. DiPas. Follow the macro breakdowns to the letter -that’s where you want to start. The first ‘fine tune’ is in the overall quantities.
DiPas suggests BWx18 for total cals…however if you’re prone to accumulate BF…this is TOO MUCH!
Begin at BWx12 -do this for three days -a week -see how you feel.
You’re likely to feel rotten …weak …no energy…that’s okay. At least we’ve started somewhere.
Second:
-bump your cals up by 500 --again, three days or so will tell you a lot. If you’re feeling good…Great! if not, bump up another 500 till your carb up -then start the following week where you ended up --do you follow?
Basically, and again -this is what worked for me…but basically you need to find out what sort of energy requirements you have -calorie wise. Then you can adjust the fat/protein ratios to suit your goals.
Now -most will tell you that you still need a calorie deficit to lose bf -and this is true. But I can actually store fat at a deficit…I think many can! The body goes into stress/survival mode and stores bf…and worse -the last thing that will happen is any sort of muscle gain!
My experience has shown me that I need energy -first and foremost. Calorie deficit or surplus -if I don’t have energy -my body stores fat!
Figure out where you need to be calorie-wise in order to feel good…then we have someplace to start!
keep us posted
peace
I’m no doctor, but I think the body can only store fat when insulin is present. Even if there is a calorie deficit, as long as one is not eating too much carbs then I don’t think they have to worry about storing fat on a calorie reduced diet.
[quote]Pauli D wrote:
salamanzer wrote:
I have been on this diet since last Saturday.
But I have noticed im having some pains now and again in my lower right back (kidneys??) -
Do you think this could be due to my large increase in protein intake or maybe im just not adapting to this low-carb diet.
Other than that im feeling ok - energy is still good, heart rate hasnt gone up, and im losing some weight too.
Im drink at a minimum 1 Gallon of bottled water per day.
Any ideas?
Well…I’m not a doctor…but I play one on TV…
Seriously -have you been drinking a lot of soda-pop? Caffeinated drinks? Crystal Light or other artificially sweetened drinks?
The pain you describe sounds like it may be gall bladder related. That’s the general area you described -and having also had the same experience a time or two…I’ve sought medical advice. The doc I consulted explained it quite well -wish I could remember the mumbo-jumbo
I can usually trace my pain to excessive caffiene consumption (Diet Coke fan) but I know others have this same occurance consuming excessive quantities of artificially flavored/sweetened drinks.
My advice is to drink nothing but water for a while -see if the pain diminishes. My guess is that it will.
Then you can re-introduce your drinks of choice a bit at a time till you find your limit.
peace[/quote]
Hi,
No i dont drink any type of fizzy drink - not even lemonade!
As for coffee and other related drinks i dont drink them either.
I find caffeine makes me very jumpy and increases my heart rate if taken in even small doses.
So i avoid all those sort of products 
The only stuff i am taking is BCAA’s and ZMA - although i may add horny goat week and trib at some point 
I?m just starting my FOURTH day in the AD. Let me tell you. I?m a mess. A wreck. I?m totally flat. Muscles are sore beyond sore. I?ve lost 3 pounds but that?s water weight? but I look like I?ve lost 15! Like someone took a needle and deflated my muscles. Is that ?normal? for the introduction phase? Looking tiny in the summer is not what I train for!
I?ve NEVER and I mean NEVER eaten so little carbs in all my life. I didn?t even like pure P+F meals before? Maybe I should ease up into it. Now it?s too radical. I cant believe going for 8 more days of this. I woke up in the middle of the night drenched in sweat, teeth clapping away with fever.
I think you get it: it?s BADDD. Every ounce of common sense tells me to stop right now, but I want some feedback from you guys. You?ve been through it. Just remember I?ve always eaten tons of carbs so maybe I should find a way to be more gradual about it instead of jumping in the deep end right away.
The best thing I?ve noticed so far is how easy digestion seems to be. What I mean is that after a meal I?m immediately ready to go about my business, I don?t feel a need for a 10 minute digestion break.
So? if it?s worth it I?ll keep going but for now it?s pure self inflicted hell. I feel dumb doing that willingly to my body!
SwD,
In reading through the thread, I know you aren’t alone with having a more “Hellish” break-in. From what I remember, most people ended up eating more calories and trying to take it a little easier than normal in training as they transitioned. Then, after the 12-days and their first refeed, they felt MUCH better. After another week and another refeed, even better. It sounds like it takes some people a while to really transition. Especially if you weren’t used to the lower carbs. I think there are a few examples of your same issues in the very early pages of the thread.
Personally, I’m still adapting a few weeks in from my break-in, but each week has been better than the last and I was also kind of used to lower-carb eating. Yet, I’ll still feel a low about midweek. I just need to do better on my refeeds, so I see more of the progress I want to see at a faster rate.
Good luck!
Thanx for the reply Plisskin
It?s weird. Someone just bumped up the Christian Thibaudeau Carb Cycling Codex article. Perfect timing! I think it?s just what I need to position myself for a later try at the AD … if I ever feel the need. Yep I’ve decided to wise up and eat carbs again.
Charles Poliquin and many others basically say 25% of people need more carbs. I know my GF doesn?t. She craves eggs, meat and fats. She drools thinking about it! I never have. Even as a kid I didn?t care for meats, eggs and bacon etc. The AD is going fine for her but is horrible for me ? and I?m just 4 days in!
I don?t feel like a quitter at all. Just that I know something else about my body! And I know tons more ways to eat P+F meals!!
Here?s what CT says about the AD in his Carb Cycling Codex article:
?Then the cyclical ketogenic diets began to appear. These were based on a relatively long period of carb deprivation (normally five straight days) where less than 50 grams of carbohydrates were allowed, followed by one or two days of carbohydrate loading.
While very effective at stimulating fat loss, the long period without carbs isn’t conducive to maximum muscle accumulation. In fact, by the second or third day you’re pretty much in a severe catabolic state. Sure, there’s an anabolic rebound during the loading days. But I’m not sure if this can be enough to compensate for the rest of the week. I do believe that it’s enough to prevent muscle loss on a weekly basis, but not enough to promote maximum muscle gain.
To be fair, I’ve used this type of dieting several times in my life and did get great results as far as fat loss is concerned. I was even able to add a small amount of muscle, but I was never able to gain a lot of it on this type of diet.?
[quote]SwD wrote:
Thanx for the reply Plisskin
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Yeah, thats a good article and he’s obviously gotten results. I was considering trying that myself, but the AD fits my lifestyle better. Right now anyway. But also, like you said and like DiPasquale has written, the AD isn’t right for everyone.
Maybe you can try out the Codex and your GF can keep on the AD and you can come back and give us updates on how each of you are doing? Compare and contrast and what not.
Again, good luck and kick its ass!
It might be worth taking an approach to it similar to the metabolic diet by the same dr. to find the level of carbs that you do best at. Myself, i do great sticking with between 10-50g carbs most days. I recently found myself getting addicted to “low-carb cereal” aka taking a bowl of ground beef (crumbly like cereal), breaking an egg in it, and pouring some olive oil. stir it up yum.
Some might not enjoy it… 
Really, I’d say after 4 days if you’re ready to drop it… it’s either really not your thing, or you’re just crashing hard. If you don’t enjoy the food, then obviously it’s not something you’re going to stick with. It might be worth reading some of the Dr’s interviews on different sites… there’s a whole bunch here.
http://www.qfac.com/advice_form.html
… though a lot of them turn in to supplement recommendations, the first few give some basic diet info you might be interested in. Who knows… just rambling now. Off to work i go!
Have fun