My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]Pauli D wrote:
allNatural wrote:
… don’t drink as much water as you would the couple days before and on the carb up.

It takes water to replenish glycogen but if you don’t provide it, your body will use your subcutaneous (under the skin) water. This will actually make you look dryer.

Really?
Is this true?
I have never heard this before -very interesting :slight_smile:
…and no, I’m not being a wise-guy…I mean it. I’m definitely going to try this!

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Yea, another trick is to take in a lot of sodium mon-wed, then taper off as you approach your carbup as you’re taking in less water as well.

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First Carb up today, feel really energetic and not lousy or sleepy at all…anyone else have this?

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OK,
I got out the plastic and bought 10 pounds of ground beef, 2 whole chickens, 3 pounds of bacon (no brown sugar etc.) 2 pounds of cheddar cheese(no carb) 16 cans of wild caught salmon and atlantic mackeral (8 cans each), 600 fish oil softgels, 450 flax seed softgels (both from Sam’s Club like Disc Hoss was saying were good) and my wife grows copious quantities of greens and freash veggies. I think I’ll start tomorrow. I already have massive amounts of whey protein powder that profiles pretty much like Grow! so I’ll use that until I run out too. I am the unofficial guinea pig for a bunch of friends and family members.

I’ve done some wild things in my day, but this will rank up there. The science makes sense and the fact that it flies in the face of generally accepted public knowledge is a positive in my book. I’ve been entirely unimpressed with what most people believe about a lot of things throughout my adult life. I’ll take a deep breath and see how it goes. I have to say that this site and it’s members have been very helpful and I’m impressed by the sobriety with which health and fitness are approached here.

–Tiribulus->

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Have you guys ever noticed that whole eggs do have some carbs in them? On fitday.com it said that 4 whole eggs have 5 grams of carbs. What is making up these carbs in the egg?

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To tiribulus: Nice prep work! What i’ve done over the months is basically come up with a template for a day’s worth of meats and veg/carbs… so prep work becomes really easy, and there’s little if any waste.

About egg carbs: Yes, eggs have carbs. So does cheese, and lots of other things that say 0 carbs on the package. Until you start eating about 50 eggs a day, it’s not much to worry about however. :slight_smile:

Here’s a hidden carb counter if you’re worried about it:

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[quote]suavij wrote:
To tiribulus: Nice prep work! What i’ve done over the months is basically come up with a template for a day’s worth of meats and veg/carbs… so prep work becomes really easy, and there’s little if any waste.

About egg carbs: Yes, eggs have carbs. So does cheese, and lots of other things that say 0 carbs on the package. Until you start eating about 50 eggs a day, it’s not much to worry about however. :slight_smile:

Here’s a hidden carb counter if you’re worried about it:

I do appreciate that. Yeah I forgot to mention that I bought ten dozen eggs too. Probably because I’ve been doing that anyway for the whites til now. BTW, you weren’t serious about 50 eggs a day right? I was figuring on probably about a dozen. I still need to get the finer details worked out. The hidden carb tool will be helpful for that.
Thanks again,

–Tiribulus->

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[quote]suavij wrote:
To tiribulus:

Here’s a hidden carb counter if you’re worried about it:
Low Carb Diet Tools - Carb-Count for [/quote]

That site is really cool overall. They have dug up a book written in 1869 by a guy in England who conquered corpulence (read obesity) with a high fat/protein low carb diet without even actually knowing that’s what he did. Some of you may have seen this, but I took the time to convert it into a pdf doc which can be gotten off my server here: http://gregnmary.gotdns.com/1sthflcd.pdf fascinating. Note: the formatting was a bit wonky on the page and I was too lazy to clean it up, but quite readable anyway.

–Tiribulus->

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First breakfast. 5 slices bacon, 6 whole eggs, about a third cup of cheddar cheese, about a cup of homegrown marrow squash, 2 grams fish oils, 2 grams flax oil, 3 table spoons EVOO and multiple vitamins and minerals. This better work, I just ate more fat and especially saturated fat in 15 minutes than I probably have in the last 2 weeks at least ;-D

–Tiribulus->

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Good on ya, mate. Just fight through the first crash and don’t go crazy on the first carb up. It’s actually a lot easier to eat this way than you might think. Personally, my crash was minimal, if you could even call it a crash, and I’ve been feeling good the whole time. For the induction phase, make sure you eat as you need to, then adjust calories afterwards.

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Has any one tried a bulking phase on the AD - did you put on much lean mass?

Im on day 8 and still feeling good :slight_smile: At the gym today i was ripping through the weights and a few PB’s too :smiley:

My weight loss has been good too - even though i am eating over maintance

Energy has been good too - did feel tired yesterday but only for a few hours but i think that is becuase my diet went a bit low on fat.

Otherwise its looking good - another happy AD user

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
First breakfast. 5 slices bacon, 6 whole eggs, about a third cup of cheddar cheese, about a cup of homegrown marrow squash, 2 grams fish oils, 2 grams flax oil, 3 table spoons EVOO and multiple vitamins and minerals. This better work, I just ate more fat and especially saturated fat in 15 minutes than I probably have in the last 2 weeks at least ;-D

–Tiribulus->[/quote]

Breakfast of champions. Thats what I had this morning, x 2 minus the squash. Those eggs look nasty by the way, but not everyone can be the ultimate master chef that is me.

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im curious how long have most of you guys been on this plan? whats the longest time you ve heard of someone being on this? opinions on if this can truly be a life style.
also any sucess stories of guys on here that truly changed thier body compisiton. more muscle with body fat loss.

had some temptations this weekend as im still in the reinduction phase but held strong!

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[quote]allNatural wrote:
Breakfast of champions. Thats what I had this morning, x 2 minus the squash. Those eggs look nasty by the way, but not everyone can be the ultimate master chef that is me. [/quote]

The eggs were kinda sloshed around in the bacon fat (cast iron pan). The whole thing was quite good actually. Sat in my stomach like a rock for a little while, but I am definitely just not used to it yet. You, Allnatural, seem to be the guy with the most experience with this who is regularly posting in this thread at the moment so I may have some questions eventually if you don’t mind which you certainly don’t seem to.

@ veruvius:
Thanks for the encouragement. I just cannot help, but feel wierd about eating this way. So counterintuitive compared to what everybody is used to. I’m curious about how the whole crash thing will affect me. Also, I know what everybody says, but the workout energy aspect is naggin me a little too. Just in theory. It’ll probably be fine once I get dialed in.

@ Mikmazz:
From having read this whole thread among other things there are guys who have been on this type of lifestyle for many years like Disc Hoss who posted a couple months ago that his blood work was great if that’s what you’re thinking of. In the AD book he says that it’s ok to customize once you get a handle on how it affects you. He also says some guys cycle in and out of it with great success.

The whole notion of low carb eating seems to be what this is coming to be all about. There are probably a couple dozen varying versions of eating plans that center on some version of drastically reducing carbs and jacking up the fat with protein intake depending on what exactly is trying to be acomplished. There’s tons of info on the web and one of the sites had a pamphlet written in 1869 by a guy who stumbled over this very thing though he didn’t know it then. I linked to a pdf file I created of it on the previous page but here: http://gregnmary.gotdns.com/1sthflcd.pdf it is again. The whole idea of limiting carbs and relying primarily on intelligent combinations of lipids for fuel just may wind up being the nutritional holy grail after all.

–Tiribulus->

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Guys, I just wanna tell you how gratefull I am for all of u. I just went through the crash of the diet and without you all and this forum topic I would have started eating carbs again. Its stuff like hearing about how healthy someone got and what not that makes it worthwhile to fight through the cravings and stay strong. Again, thanks.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

I may have some questions eventually if you don’t mind which you certainly don’t seem to.

The whole idea of limiting carbs and relying primarily on intelligent combinations of lipids for fuel just may wind up being the nutritional holy grail after all.

–Tiribulus->

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I definitely don’t mind answering any questions that I can. The effects of the AD are what may be the holy grail because of our (humans) living conditions today. We now have the luxury of not needing to hold on to fat for dear life, contrary to earlier in evolution. So AD type diets are the ones currently allowing us to manipulate body fat by telling our bodies we have plenty available fat (exogenous in this case) for survival. The reason this is the holy grail comes with the assumption that you want minimal body fat and (in the case of the AD) maximal muscle. The reason this is NOT the holy grail of nutrition comes with the assumption that you belong to this group: Fantasy Feeder

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[quote]allNatural wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
The reason this is NOT the holy grail of nutrition comes with the assumption that you belong to this group: Fantasy Feeder

Yes those fine specimens of femininity would likely not be blessed by a nutitional program calculated to help one avoid occupying a zip code singlehandedly.

–Tiribulus->

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
@ veruvius:
Thanks for the encouragement. I just cannot help, but feel wierd about eating this way. So counterintuitive compared to what everybody is used to. I’m curious about how the whole crash thing will affect me. Also, I know what everybody says, but the workout energy aspect is naggin me a little too. Just in theory. It’ll probably be fine once I get dialed in.
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Personally, I feel great every time I lift, energy is never a problem. I’ve been doing road sprints on my bike, and that has been good, too. On the other hand, doing HIIT on Friday won’t treat you well…

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[quote]djohns wrote:
allNatural wrote:
No worries bro. Its probably water weight. Are you fresh off a carbup? Are you not fat-adapted and eating too much? If its in fact not water weight, stop eating so much. I’d also recommend spelling lose l-o-s-e. Unless your goal is in fact “loose fat” in which case, keep eating too much. :slight_smile:

LOFL! Thanks bud, and I’ll watch the spelling! I’ve taken a good look at my macros today, and I may have not been getting enough protein. It appears I’ve only been getting around 150 grams a day (I weigh around 200.) Plus I probably am not drinking enough water. Gonna get the fat/protein ration to around 3/2, which is what I believe is recommended.[/quote]

FYI, I weighed and measured myself on Saturday, and things were back to normal. It appeared to be just a fluke thing. You would think I would have learned by now!

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[quote]allNatural wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:

I may have some questions eventually if you don’t mind which you certainly don’t seem to.

The whole idea of limiting carbs and relying primarily on intelligent combinations of lipids for fuel just may wind up being the nutritional holy grail after all.

–Tiribulus->

I definitely don’t mind answering any questions that I can. The effects of the AD are what may be the holy grail because of our (humans) living conditions today. We now have the luxury of not needing to hold on to fat for dear life, contrary to earlier in evolution. So AD type diets are the ones currently allowing us to manipulate body fat by telling our bodies we have plenty available fat (exogenous in this case) for survival. The reason this is the holy grail comes with the assumption that you want minimal body fat and (in the case of the AD) maximal muscle. The reason this is NOT the holy grail of nutrition comes with the assumption that you belong to this group: Fantasy Feeder

Yeah, I’ve read through numerous articles and books and this style of eating has always made more sense, especially when compared against historical eating styles.

For the most part, it’s been what’s kept us thriving since we learned to stand upright. Unforunately, its hard for many to accept due to the heavy consumer marketing of higher-carb processed foods and the accompanying ideas that fat is bad and that your ideal fitness goal should be to become a skinny endurance athlete vs a solidly strong all-around explosive athlete.

Think about the generations of humans up into the serious onset of industrialization that spent their days working hard to grow or raise their food to survive. Most of that food was meat and veggies with a little fruit thrown in if they were lucky.

And yes, there were grains, but think about how hard they worked to grow, harvest, and transform the grains into bread, etc. It wasn’t a huge part of their diet vs the eggs, meat, milk, water, fat, and vegetables. Plus, after working to get the rest, it probably only came in small amounts and wasn’t anywhere near as refined as it is now.

I wasn’t there, so I can’t be sure, but it makes sense to me. :wink:

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[quote]veruvius wrote:
Personally, I feel great every time I lift, energy is never a problem. I’ve been doing road sprints on my bike, and that has been good, too. On the other hand, doing HIIT on Friday won’t treat you well…
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I was thinking of eventually going to the split carb-up Dipasquale mentions at the end of the book with carb days maybe Wed. and Sat. I’ll see how I get tuned up as it goes. I’ve been thinking about what Plisskin was saying and that’s the conclusion I’m moving towards. Maybe It’s not the low carb folks who are tricking their bodies into preferring fat for fuel, but the entire sugar frosted, high fructose corn syrup guzzling western world that’s tricked theirs into preferring carbs.

In any case there is WAAAAY too much carbs being consumed with reckless abandon these days, especially refined useless carbs. BTW, how important do you guys find creatine supplementation to be?

–Tiribulus->