My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

I sure fukin do. It’s called the pump dude. Soon you won’t get as much smoothing before your body get extremely vascular from all the hormonal reactions. plus you look huge. Now anytime i eat CHO in big nubmers I get stupid huge and I can see veins that most people don’t know exist. You’ll love it later. I find that if, on the CHO ups, I eat only white sticky rice I get massive looking. play with it if you care at all.

-chris

[quote]trojanman wrote:
ive noticed im smoothing out during the mid day but towards the night it gets a little better. anyone have an idea why this is happening?[/quote]

I dont think regualr ALA does anything much at all with the CHO. But I think i shall try the SAN product. I like their serving sizes, nice and big. I am finishing some old Tight that has the legit yohimbe in it. good stuff. 1 pill only. I love using vinegar, I consider it a CHO freebie on the AD and use a ton.

-chris

[quote]SashaG wrote:
realpeanutbutter wrote:
Yeah mate,

R-ALA (hard to find a good brand though. what do you use sasha?) and vinegar along with a hard ass work out before and after (next morning) should make you a tank. You may get a chance to see if you are CHO sensitive yet. You will know because after a bunch of pasta you will look huge and super vascular. I found veins that I never knew humans had after my first CHO up. My abs were even enlarged and super visible. try and eat the things that once had parents if possible though.

Chris,

I actually use SAN’s R-ALA. It’s fantastic as each cap is 100mg so you don’t have to waste your time with those mini servings. I’ve definitely found R-ALA far more effective then the traditonal ALA.

I haven’t gotten into the vinegar’s yet but will definitely give it a look.

Cheers,

Sasha

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what’s everyone’s favorite type of red meat on the AD… i know that all kinds are acceptable but I just need more ideas, I’m getting tired of hamburger meat but I choose it for the price more than anything else.

i love skirt steaks and london broil on this diet. i am not much of a fan of sirloin steak. skirt has an amazing taste. london broil is more of a roast but i chop it up into cubes and cook it with veggie oil with salt seasoning. ground beef makes me feel weird.

Blade steak (cheap)

Round steak (cheap)

Any deer or elk meat (expense)

Get some blade and soak it in vinegar and BBQ that crap. delicious.

-chris

has anyone tried taking a couple tablespoons of half and half with a scoop of choc. protein and 1/4 cup of almonds and made a shake? its pretty damn good.

Here’s my pre-bed shake of the day . . . I just had one!

1 scoop whey
1 scoop micellar casein
6-8 ice cubes
1 heaping tsp extra thick double cream
1 tsp peanut butter

All I have to say is I look forward to it every night before bed.

God I love the AD.

Cheers,

Sasha

Have you read the whole thread? If not do so. that is like the classic shake pref around here. except use whipping cream 35% instead of half and half for better CHO ratio.

you barely need shakes at all on this program. save the money for BEEF.

-chris

[quote]trojanman wrote:
has anyone tried taking a couple tablespoons of half and half with a scoop of choc. protein and 1/4 cup of almonds and made a shake? its pretty damn good. [/quote]

[quote]trojanman wrote:
i love skirt steaks and london broil on this diet. i am not much of a fan of sirloin steak. skirt has an amazing taste. london broil is more of a roast but i chop it up into cubes and cook it with veggie oil with salt seasoning. ground beef makes me feel weird.[/quote]

Kangaroo, all the way.

But, for when I don’t have access, I, too, go for the blade steak, and the occasional round. Also, bison is fantastic, but expensive, and horse is less fantastic, but cheap.

damn you aussies have access to some good as meat! i need to go deer hunting this winter. deer jerky is the best jerky ive ever had.

Damn you guys are so contagious that I’ll probably go for it (the AD) in September or in December. Now I just love my carbs too much… and they are everywhere in the summer.

Reading all this makes me HUNGRY!!

Hey guys, sign me up!

I decided to eat ‘low carb’ a couple weeks ago after doing a half-assed job of bulking for 5 months and putting on some fat. I’ve gotten halfway through this thread and decided to start the AD about a week ago.

I’m trying to drop the fat I put on in the next three weeks. Should I modify the diet in anyway to accelerate the fat loss given the shorter time frame?

In the great scheme of things, I need to gain a lot more muscle, so I wouldn’t feel right trying to cut for long anyway. Will there be much of a transition phase from cutting to bulking on this diet? How would just changing workouts affect it? This thread is a treasure trove of information.

Alright,

A) read the WHOLE thread. That’s right the whole thing. As you read it copy and paste helpful posts to a word doc. this way you will have it all for reference.

B) Start your 12 day transition phase now. During this time i suggest you be very sceptical about ANY CHO (carb) that is not a vegtable, or spinach/broccoli for that matter. even the legendary peanutbutter.

C) The fat will come of during this time quite well. Since you have been eating “low-carb” (whatever that may or may not mean) you might not crash in your 12 day intro. Keep your food levels high during your first 12 days. Don’t be an anorexic girl. eat and train hard, Low CHO is no reason not to train like a beast.

D) After your first two day CHO up you can start working on reducing fat by taking only one day to CHO up. this means 6 days low CHO and one day of hard eating. It will take you about 2 months to really “get going” on the AD and start seeing it’s best side. So if you only CHO up for one day you really have to amn up about it. Make sure you get your 500 g CHO that day no matter what. Trust me you will want to pussy out because that is a ton of food in one day, but measure it and do it. This will really set your leptin levels high and make for great fat burning. (awsome segue coming…)

E) the day after your CHO up you should get in 3 (three, tres, san) energy systems sessions. I suggest swimming, sprints and burpees. Also on this day you should get a lower amount of food. Eat only as much as you need. This is a day that is optimal for fat burning because your leptin is high and you are full of CHO power. By keeping cals low on this day your body will burn more fat than active food (shit you just ate). The next day get back to your regular calories and hit the weights hard for the rest of the week.

This leptin reset system works better than a 5 year-old at a GAP factory in Sri Lanka for me. It is also one of the main systems behind how the AD works to keep you lean. the CHO ups are more than glycogen resorations, they are Basal metabolic level boosters. That is why you can’t pussy out on your CHO ups. this is also why atkins people bottom out after a month on fatkins. This is also why on JB’s PN program he gets people to stuff their face full of food.

For bulking just pop up your caloric density and eat more before bed. Oh yeah and train like you’re bulking obv.

Despite what rice caker’s would have you think your strength only goes up on this no matter how low CHO you go (rhymes). The only thing that will be holding you back is lack of mental motivation. Some people get this because they are used to the seratonin highs that CHO gives them, and feel that they are weak when they are just not mentally in the zone. Use some type of stim for this. Power Drive i hear is hot.

Get ready to sweat.

Don’t rush the AD, it pays off if you’re patient.

Don’t be a pussy

-chris

[quote]veruvius wrote:
Hey guys, sign me up!

I decided to eat ‘low carb’ a couple weeks ago after doing a half-assed job of bulking for 5 months and putting on some fat. I’ve gotten halfway through this thread and decided to start the AD about a week ago.

I’m trying to drop the fat I put on in the next three weeks. Should I modify the diet in anyway to accelerate the fat loss given the shorter time frame?

In the great scheme of things, I need to gain a lot more muscle, so I wouldn’t feel right trying to cut for long anyway. Will there be much of a transition phase from cutting to bulking on this diet? How would just changing workouts affect it? This thread is a treasure trove of information.[/quote]

If you were on the AD you wouldn’t be hungry.

And this is not low CHO all the time! You probly can’t even eat the amount of CHO’s necessary on the weekends ;o)

Be a big cool guy and start eating tasty critters with us SwD. eat your poptarts on the weekend you snag. I better see you sound off in september dude.

-chris

[quote]SwD wrote:
Damn you guys are so contagious that I’ll probably go for it (the AD) in September or in December. Now I just love my carbs too much… and they are everywhere in the summer.

Reading all this makes me HUNGRY!!

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You asshole,

I’d punch someone right now for a kangaroo tail stirfry w/ spinach and celery! I wish I still lived in OZ, I’d just go out to the middle of nowhere and blow away one of those bouncy bundles of tender flavour.

Some people interpret “kangaroo over-population” as an environmental hazard but i think of it more as “a reason to buy several deep freezes and a gun” or “national BBQ day/week/month.” I’m big into eviromentalism and stuff.

But that’s OK, Tasty moo-moo’s are almost free here in alberta :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I like to eat the brains and spine because MAD COW is a better stimulant than Power Drive and Hot-Rox.

-chris

[quote]Bullmoose wrote:
trojanman wrote:
i love skirt steaks and london broil on this diet. i am not much of a fan of sirloin steak. skirt has an amazing taste. london broil is more of a roast but i chop it up into cubes and cook it with veggie oil with salt seasoning. ground beef makes me feel weird.

Kangaroo, all the way.

But, for when I don’t have access, I, too, go for the blade steak, and the occasional round. Also, bison is fantastic, but expensive, and horse is less fantastic, but cheap.

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I have a couple questions for realpeanutbutter and others who do a more NHE style carb-up twice a week -

Do you think it would be better to have the carbs the evening before a workout (off day) or PWO the day of?

Having two small carb-ups throughout the week is obviously not quite as flexible as the original AD, where you can just go out to eat anytime during the weekend and not worry about carbs. If, say, I had a big carb-up on Fri, and then had a situation on Saturday where I wanted to go ahead and have a meal with carbs (“cheat” food, but probably not ~200 carbs like a carb-up), would it be detrimental to go ahead and have carbs again (trying to gain)? I’m assuming it wouldn’t be that big of a deal since glycogen probably isn’t all the way topped off after the Fri carb-up.

If you are doing a double CHO up then I would do it the evening after a hard training session. I do mine on wed night after hard MMA type stuff. Then again on sunday, a semi rest day that has only an hour of gymnastics. Sunday is more all day for me. But if you are trying to gain and you have some random, non-reoccuring need to go out and eat then i would do it. It also depends on how hard you went during your CHO up. If you just eat one CHO meal on fridays then you are not getting the most out of your CHO up. have at least one day where you can really sink your teeth into some higher GI/GL CHO. Or on your friday CHO up really get nuts with some CHO dense food like baking or cereal.

I wouldn’t worry about one meal that doesn’t reoccur. Just go hard when you do CHO up, and keep it very real the rest of the time. CHO ups on training days I personally find to be the best for stupidly huge vacularity or ‘pumps’ or whatever. Plus you can ensure optimal CHO usage as per any viewpoint on when to eat CHO.

-chris

[quote]d4ve wrote:
I have a couple questions for realpeanutbutter and others who do a more NHE style carb-up twice a week -

Do you think it would be better to have the carbs the evening before a workout (off day) or PWO the day of?

Having two small carb-ups throughout the week is obviously not quite as flexible as the original AD, where you can just go out to eat anytime during the weekend and not worry about carbs. If, say, I had a big carb-up on Fri, and then had a situation on Saturday where I wanted to go ahead and have a meal with carbs (“cheat” food, but probably not ~200 carbs like a carb-up), would it be detrimental to go ahead and have carbs again (trying to gain)? I’m assuming it wouldn’t be that big of a deal since glycogen probably isn’t all the way topped off after the Fri carb-up.[/quote]

confession time… i am pretty sure that i have read this entire thread at least twice. lol. my job is pretty boring and i have prob read SECTIONS of it at least three times. that being said, i am all over this diet once i get off JB’s Get Shredded plan. as somewhat of a FFB, i want to get uber lean before i start bulking (tho i imagine with AD i will limit fat gain while getting EL LARGO) I cannot wait. I have been lifting for about 8 months (losing fat pretty much the whole time) and have shown tendency to gain muscle like a mofo if i feed my body properly. with my meso/endo tendencies and the power of the anabolic diet, i should get massivo. eh. back to my 6 oz. chicken spinach and olive oil salad for now. you guys better still be cookin’ along in september when i start, or i will be extremely saddened.

keep up the good work dudes.

[quote]d4ve wrote:
I have a couple questions for realpeanutbutter and others who do a more NHE style carb-up twice a week -

Do you think it would be better to have the carbs the evening before a workout (off day) or PWO the day of?

Having two small carb-ups throughout the week is obviously not quite as flexible as the original AD, where you can just go out to eat anytime during the weekend and not worry about carbs. If, say, I had a big carb-up on Fri, and then had a situation on Saturday where I wanted to go ahead and have a meal with carbs (“cheat” food, but probably not ~200 carbs like a carb-up), would it be detrimental to go ahead and have carbs again (trying to gain)? I’m assuming it wouldn’t be that big of a deal since glycogen probably isn’t all the way topped off after the Fri carb-up.[/quote]

d4ve,

Chris makes a lot of valid points in his post but one thing we need caveat is you need to be adjusted to the AD lifestyle before experimenting. Playing with a mid-week carb up and modifying your nutrient timing should be reserved to those who have been on the diet for at least 6 weeks. If you’re bouncing between energy systems/ketosis you’re neither here nor there.

I think if you are trying to gain, eating AD style will be far more effective than the other iterations. If you’re really trying to lean out, the AD is still great, but I would also understand following Poliquin’s 4:1 approach. These CHO ups are more controlled and more frequent which is important on calorie controlled diets from a metabolic standpoint.

Overall, I believe the AD in its purest form is the most flexible and effective approach. I would be hard pressed to believe that the others are as accomodating and fun!

Anyway, let us know how you get on.

Cheers,

Sasha

Just in case anyone was wondering, whoever stated that your strength will go up is 100% correct. I am switching back to heavy weights in 2 weeks (final 2 weeks of TBT right now), and I will let you know how much more I am moving in the 3-5 rep range than I was before the AD and TBT training.