Figure I’d list out what I used this past weekend for a carb up. Started Friday at 1pm, went until 11am Saturday morning.
2 soft tacos w/ olives, cheese, salsa, lettuce, tomatoes, chicken
1 bag of beef jerky (fat-free)
2 granola bars (fat-free)
2 slices of cheese pizza
1 bag fat-free popcorn
6 mini-bagels (whole wheat) w/ cream cheese
6 cups of Raisin Bran/Kashi Go Lean! Crunch w/ skim milk
2 Reese’s Peanut Butter cups
While we’re at it, here’s mine (6pm last night til 4ish meal today):
1 Metabolic Drive bar
6 cups oatmeal w/berries
1 large bowl of Kashi-like cereal w/berries
1 cup vanilla low sugar yogurt w/wheat germ
1 apple
2 big slices of pizza
Handful of garlic bread dots
Pint of B&J Phish Food
10 fish oil caps
1.5 scoops of Grow whey
Amazing thread. I’ve read about 85% of it a few months back plus some updates last week. I’m dizzy. Back then I had no interest in knowing if AD and AAS mix, but now I do. So soory if the question has been asked before.
So… is the AD something you would still do on androgens, or would you switch to being a carb eating machine to bulk as much as possible?
[quote]Deinabolic wrote:
While we’re at it, here’s mine (6pm last night til 4ish meal today):
1 Metabolic Drive bar
6 cups oatmeal w/berries
1 large bowl of Kashi-like cereal w/berries
1 cup vanilla low sugar yogurt w/wheat germ
1 apple
2 big slices of pizza
Handful of garlic bread dots
Pint of B&J Phish Food
10 fish oil caps
1.5 scoops of Grow whey
[/quote]
6 cups of oatmeal. Jesus. If that was all at one sitting, you’re some kind of demon. 
[quote]suavij wrote:
Deinabolic wrote:
While we’re at it, here’s mine (6pm last night til 4ish meal today):
1 Metabolic Drive bar
6 cups oatmeal w/berries
1 large bowl of Kashi-like cereal w/berries
1 cup vanilla low sugar yogurt w/wheat germ
1 apple
2 big slices of pizza
Handful of garlic bread dots
Pint of B&J Phish Food
10 fish oil caps
1.5 scoops of Grow whey
6 cups of oatmeal. Jesus. If that was all at one sitting, you’re some kind of demon. :)[/quote]
Nope, two separate feedings. Still a lot of bulk at one time and my toilet will vouch for it 
[quote]suavij wrote:
Yeah! I hope i didn’t come across as condescending or anything, I was just a little confused by the wording of the quotation. Definitely a marked improvement.
[/quote]
Nope, no condescention! We’re all in this game together right?!
This may be new or old… whatever.
Chicken breasts or cutlets. Dipped in egg bath (2 whole Omega 3 eggs scrambled in a bowl (uncooked!)) then rolled in grated parmasean cheese then baked @ 350 until cheese browns up.
Yum!
ok i havent eaten fast food in a while since ive dieted. about 8 weeks now. anyway, has anyone ate some fries like 2 peices on this diet and began to get really bad stomach pain? im pissed and i dont know what is from…
[quote]SwD wrote:
Amazing thread. I’ve read about 85% of it a few months back plus some updates last week. I’m dizzy. Back then I had no interest in knowing if AD and AAS mix, but now I do. So soory if the question has been asked before.
So… is the AD something you would still do on androgens, or would you switch to being a carb eating machine to bulk as much as possible?[/quote]
SwD,
Hey mate and welcome. Not sure on the AAS side of things but with this diet, you can seriously optimise your natural hormonal environment. The AD is a very good bulking and cutting tool as it really is a calorie level manipulation with a slight play on the fat/protein macro front. Plus, it’s way easier to get your cals up when using fat.
While I’ve never used AAS, I’ve approached bulk style eating the CHO route as well as a limited time with the AD. I would say that in my limited experience, you would be well placed to bulk with AAS and the AD in your corner. Just utilize the CHO spike mid week to maximize your results.
Hope that helps.
Cheers.
Sasha
OK so I am on Day 9 of induction and I feel pretty good now. I am going to lift heavy this week and see how it goes. There is a small problem, though.
On Wednesday night, I am being taken out to dinner along with a few coworkers at a very nice upscale Italian restaurant in NYC. I plan on eating AD-style, focusing on a low carb appetizer and a meat dish. There is also the possibility of them going with some sort of tasting menu with lots of pasta and I will have no choice but to participate. If this is the case, is there anything wrong with doing a carb-up that night, and again on Saturday? I just don’t want to screw up the adaptation process. Any advice?
Ok killer there may or may not be a solution.
Option A: You eat a steak and veggies. A higly optimal meal (esp if you are not paying, sub the potato for some wings or more veg). If you need an appy then hit up the plain wings with ranch/bleu cheese etc.
Option B: you are forced to eat CHO. This being that there is no other options. Take a bit (3 Tbsps) of malt or apple cider vinegar with you (5% acetic acid minimum) and down that crap before you eat your tasty CHO’s. It has a great effect on your insulin sensitivity. Also just before you go to dinner think about getting in a hard ass training session. like 20 rep squats type of hard. Get some huge leg training in and then go eat. At least this will prime you for optimal insulin reactions as opposed to just sitting there shitting the bed eating pasta like some kinda soccer mom.
Option C: opt out of the CHO’s by saying “I’m actually allergic to the wheat in the pasta, gives me puffy eyes.” (you probly are allergic anyways in real life. a large minority of asian and white north americans are).
or “I’m at risk for diabetes, I can’t eat the pasta, sorry guys doctors orders” this one works for me all the time when i bring my own food around.
These excuses/reasons work great for me. Also you might think of having another slightly longer second break in phase after your first 12 days if you eat the pasta. like maybe a 7-10 day second phase just to make sure your switched. this worked great for me, I did a 12 and then a 10 witha 2 day CHO up in between. good luck. many italian places are big into meat dishs like veal and fish and stuff so i don’t think it would be a worry.
-chris
[quote]justinf77 wrote:
OK so I am on Day 9 of induction and I feel pretty good now. I am going to lift heavy this week and see how it goes. There is a small problem, though.
On Wednesday night, I am being taken out to dinner along with a few coworkers at a very nice upscale Italian restaurant in NYC. I plan on eating AD-style, focusing on a low carb appetizer and a meat dish. There is also the possibility of them going with some sort of tasting menu with lots of pasta and I will have no choice but to participate. If this is the case, is there anything wrong with doing a carb-up that night, and again on Saturday? I just don’t want to screw up the adaptation process. Any advice?[/quote]
thanks dude, I just love to see this community prosper. A also am a bit of a nutrition research lover, and AD/PN lover. If only I had better bedside manner ;o)
As for the tasty milk, If you can do it then do it. But many people are predisposed to not producing lactase when it’s not needed and get the liquid fire shits if they hit the milk. But I also love milk with my fruit loops, I just have to use the lactose free (my ass it’s lactose “free”) stuff. But even so on sunday/monday I get to sit down and give the toilet that “photo-finish” it always wanted. could also be the fact that I eat a whole box of mini wheats in one go. nah.
-chris
[quote]allNatural wrote:
realpeanutbutter wrote:
If CHO loading is an unhappy experience for you then try the following tips.
Stay far away from MILK. Becasue you are drinking a tonless milk over the week your body decided to quit producing as much lactaze enzyme. this is because lactaze is an enzyme that your body will quit producing because we weren’t originally meant to drink milk, it was an evolution. Plus many of you likely hav milk allergies (not intolerance, yes allergies) that you don;t know about.
Try eating only one healthy CHO source the whole CHO up. Pick rice (white fluffy happy rice of wild or brown) and cook it all up and just eat that for CHO. This will be easy on your GI tract and it has great proteins.
take some “be alive” or other active digestive enzyme befor each meal. this may help prevent gas and flaming asshole conditions associated with CHO ups.
Make your CHO up shorter but more intense. This is wht i do. Two evening CHo ups on Wed and sun night. I really hook into it and over feed my ass off, really helping my leptin.
Put vasoline on your ass hole if you can’t avoid the diarea. or take a bunch of calcium.
-chris
I love milk on my carbups mainly just PWO though, because of the insulin spike and its my only source of protein on carbups. Were not supposed to have much protein on carbups so I reserve all protein for PWO w/ my skim milk and sugary cereal. You wouldn’t get too much protein from rice would you? btw, chris, your posts are always informative and scholarly…I think you’d sound like a doctor if you had a post that didn’t give reference to the “asshole”. :)[/quote]
[quote]justinf77 wrote:
OK so I am on Day 9 of induction and I feel pretty good now. I am going to lift heavy this week and see how it goes. There is a small problem, though.
On Wednesday night, I am being taken out to dinner along with a few coworkers at a very nice upscale Italian restaurant in NYC. I plan on eating AD-style, focusing on a low carb appetizer and a meat dish. There is also the possibility of them going with some sort of tasting menu with lots of pasta and I will have no choice but to participate. If this is the case, is there anything wrong with doing a carb-up that night, and again on Saturday? I just don’t want to screw up the adaptation process. Any advice?[/quote]
Justin,
That’s a tough one but if I were you, here’s how I would approach it.
First of all, obviously opt for the menu selection where you can pick what you want . . . that is pretty much a given.
If you need to follow the sampling menu, try to avoid the “add on” carbs like bread and sweetened drinks.
Next, gear up the diet the day of around the idea that you will be eating some carbs in the evening. Really go as strict as possible.
Next up, pre-meal prep. Before your meal, take in about 200 mg of R-ALA. This will focus on shuttling any CHOs into the muscle bellies.
Finally, ensure you do get fats with your meal as we do not want to confuse your body in the compensation process.
If for whatever reason you do end up taking in a lot of excess carbs, try going through a depletion styled workout the morning after. Keep your intensity high and do your best to expend your glycogen stores.
I think that unless you really go nuts, and try to hold back, you could probably do with a full day carb up on Sunday and then continue on the 5 day/2 day regime.
Hope that helps.
Cheers.
Sasha
Thanks a lot for the advice PB and Sasha. I think I will most likely be able to order what I want, but if not, I have some great advice to minimize the damage!
Yeah mate,
R-ALA (hard to find a good brand though. what do you use sasha?) and vinegar along with a hard ass work out before and after (next morning) should make you a tank. You may get a chance to see if you are CHO sensitive yet. You will know because after a bunch of pasta you will look huge and super vascular. I found veins that I never knew humans had after my first CHO up. My abs were even enlarged and super visible. try and eat the things that once had parents if possible though.
-chris
[quote]justinf77 wrote:
Thanks a lot for the advice PB and Sasha. I think I will most likely be able to order what I want, but if not, I have some great advice to minimize the damage![/quote]
That sounds great, I’m really excited for the first carb-up. You should know, too, that this is the second time on the AD. I think my body probably adjusted to fat burning already because I feel great and am craving things like meat and eggs now when I’m hungry. DiPasquale said that people who adapt once usually adapt more quickly in the future.
Oh for sure, I don’t think you have much to worry about.
-chris
[quote]justinf77 wrote:
That sounds great, I’m really excited for the first carb-up. You should know, too, that this is the second time on the AD. I think my body probably adjusted to fat burning already because I feel great and am craving things like meat and eggs now when I’m hungry. DiPasquale said that people who adapt once usually adapt more quickly in the future.[/quote]
I just want to say how much I love spicy and raunchy flavored foods on the AD. I consume alot of spicy sauces and strongly flavored vegetables, like onions and garlic that I normally avoid. When you eat as many scrambled eggs as I do, it helps. Here’s some suggestions of mine for good accent foods.
Blue cheese- Maytag brand is my favorite. It’s good on nearly everything.
A really hot pepper cheese. I bought some habenero jack that was really good.
Try putting blue cheese and the habenero cheese in your scrambled eggs. Delicious.
A good, strong horseradish. Good on lots of meat products.
Also, red cabbage kicks the snot out of iceburg lettuce.
Just thought I’d throw that out there.
-Conor
I don’t think i would ever consume lettuce unless there was no option for spinach or other vegtables. Unless it’s a damn good ceasar salad w/ chicken i think eating lettuce is huge waste of time. similar to arobics and jazz-er-size type shit.
Horse radish, onions, garlic, buffalo sauce, paprika, CURRY (f*K yeah) are staples for me. Sometime i just heat up garlic, onions, mushrooms and butter in a pan and eat it as a side with steak or slamon or something. try microwaving (or frying) full garlic cloves in butter and onions and chowing down on the ful cloves. so good and you stink like a bastard.
-chris
[quote]conorh wrote:
I just want to say how much I love spicy and raunchy flavored foods on the AD. I consume alot of spicy sauces and strongly flavored vegetables, like onions and garlic that I normally avoid. When you eat as many scrambled eggs as I do, it helps. Here’s some suggestions of mine for good accent foods.
Blue cheese- Maytag brand is my favorite. It’s good on nearly everything.
A really hot pepper cheese. I bought some habenero jack that was really good.
Try putting blue cheese and the habenero cheese in your scrambled eggs. Delicious.
A good, strong horseradish. Good on lots of meat products.
Also, red cabbage kicks the snot out of iceburg lettuce.
Just thought I’d throw that out there.
-Conor[/quote]
[quote]realpeanutbutter wrote:
Yeah mate,
R-ALA (hard to find a good brand though. what do you use sasha?) and vinegar along with a hard ass work out before and after (next morning) should make you a tank. You may get a chance to see if you are CHO sensitive yet. You will know because after a bunch of pasta you will look huge and super vascular. I found veins that I never knew humans had after my first CHO up. My abs were even enlarged and super visible. try and eat the things that once had parents if possible though.
[/quote]
Chris,
I actually use SAN’s R-ALA. It’s fantastic as each cap is 100mg so you don’t have to waste your time with those mini servings. I’ve definitely found R-ALA far more effective then the traditonal ALA.
I haven’t gotten into the vinegar’s yet but will definitely give it a look.
Cheers,
Sasha
ive noticed im smoothing out during the mid day but towards the night it gets a little better. anyone have an idea why this is happening?