I mean, sure, I suppose you could just never eat carbs again. But then, it’s not really the Anabolic lifestyle is it? Personally, I think just subtracting an entire macronutrient is plain stupid. There are a variety of micronutrient, psychology, physiological, and lifestyle benefits to the weekend carb ups. I’d hate to live my life never tasting fruit again.
[quote]zdrax wrote:
I mean, sure, I suppose you could just never eat carbs again. But then, it’s not really the Anabolic lifestyle is it? Personally, I think just subtracting an entire macronutrient is plain stupid. There are a variety of micronutrient, psychology, physiological, and lifestyle benefits to the weekend carb ups. I’d hate to live my life never tasting fruit again.
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Oh sure definitely bro, I agree with you. Personally, despite the fact that I go out, that is not a problem with me. I wanna fully dedicate myself, nothing more nothing less. =]
[quote]DTAlexONE wrote:
Lol, thank you everybody for the suggestions and advice. I hope this will be the be-all end-all diet, lol. One more question, earlier in this thread Disc Hoss suggested glutamine instead of CHO. So instead of loading on carbs, one could do so with glutamine and still have the same anabolic effects? If this is so, I think glutamine would be better because it preserves muscle and minimizes fat gain in addition to replenishing the muscles. I think that would be great, but i’m not genuis, lol.[/quote]
Poliquin recommends glutamine in one’s postworkout shake to replenish glycogen stores (instead of carbs) when one’s bf% is too high, i.e., glutamine acts like carbs to replenish glycogen postworkout. Bowtell, J.L., et al. Effect of oral glutamine on whole body carbohydrate storage during recovery from exhaustive exercise. “Oral glutamine alone promoted storage of muscle glycogen to an extent similar to oral glucose polymer.”
He feels that using carbs postworkout hinders fat loss if one’s bf% is too high. He then recommends carbs postworkout once you get your bf% lower.
But Poliquin still recommends a refeed meal(s) or day, depending how high one’s bf% is. He advocates a high carb meal/day once every 5 days. He does not say to skip the carbs on higher carb day and just use glutamine. The glutamine is used during the low carb days with one’s postworkout shake.
[quote]DTAlexONE wrote:
… So instead of loading on carbs, one could do so with glutamine and still have the same anabolic effects? If this is so, I think glutamine would be better because it preserves muscle and minimizes fat gain in addition to replenishing the muscles…
It has been said that carb loading reduces cortisol levels and increases insulin level with the anabolic properties. Will glutamine mimic the exact same effects but without the fat gain?
…True but Disc Hoss said it himself that the only reason for the carb up is to load all the protein and nutrients right into our muscles along with the insulin spike. But with the carbs, there is chance of a little fat gain if one overloads too much. Now, my question is, if glutamine can do this, then I think glutamine would be the better choice, wouldnt you agree?[/quote]
NO!
N O
NO!
Dude!
Seriously!
You are NOT…repeat NOT going to get fat on a carb-up!
Look at it this way…a lb of fat is 3500 calories.
It takes (I’m guessing your bodyweight here) around 3000 calories a day to keep you alive…
So therefore, you would need to eat roughly Seven Thousand Five Hundred calories in one day to even remotely come close to gaining a pound of fat.
And that’s if you do NOTHING all day -no physical exercise AT ALL!!
But as you know (if you’ve read the thread)…you know that even at 7,500 calories…your body is going to be working hard at shuttling glycogen (aka CARBS -NOT Glutamine!) into your muscles for stored energy.
Your body is not concerned with storing fat during a carb-up…that’s the beauty of the AD.
See?
You’re going to self-destruct with your present mind-set.
Ease up.
Just eat already!
Don’t go eating glutamine!
For Pete’s sake, man!
Get a grip!
-peace
[quote]DTAlexONE wrote:
True but Disc Hoss said it himself that the only reason for the carb up is to load all the protein and nutrients right into our muscles along with the insulin spike. [/quote]
That’s kind of weird. Dr. Mauro says that protein should be the lower macronutrient of carbs/fats/proteins on the weekend. If I’m not mistaken, one should get no more than 15% of their calories from protein on the carb up weekends. He says he has seen great results with only 7%-10%. His reasoning is to take in little protein during the carb up phase so when the body goes back on high protein (weekdays), the body will use it better. He cites a study on this, also.
Thoughts on this??
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
DTAlexONE wrote:
True but Disc Hoss said it himself that the only reason for the carb up is to load all the protein and nutrients right into our muscles along with the insulin spike.
That’s kind of weird. Dr. Mauro says that protein should be the lower macronutrient of carbs/fats/proteins on the weekend. If I’m not mistaken, one should get no more than 15% of their calories from protein on the carb up weekends. He says he has seen great results with only 7%-10%. His reasoning is to take in little protein during the carb up phase so when the body goes back on high protein (weekdays), the body will use it better. He cites a study on this, also.
Thoughts on this??[/quote]
Maybe because during the week all the amino acids is in our blood? Then when the insulin spike or carb load comes in, all the amino acids (broken down protein) that was in our blood goes and gets stored right into our muscle, thus providing protein synthesis. I might be wrong, but I think that’s what it is.
Let’s be clear here. If you’re not carbing up on the weekends, you are not doing the Anabolic Diet.
[quote]DTAlexONE wrote:
HouseOfAtlas wrote:
DTAlexONE wrote:
True but Disc Hoss said it himself that the only reason for the carb up is to load all the protein and nutrients right into our muscles along with the insulin spike.
That’s kind of weird. Dr. Mauro says that protein should be the lower macronutrient of carbs/fats/proteins on the weekend. If I’m not mistaken, one should get no more than 15% of their calories from protein on the carb up weekends. He says he has seen great results with only 7%-10%. His reasoning is to take in little protein during the carb up phase so when the body goes back on high protein (weekdays), the body will use it better. He cites a study on this, also.
Thoughts on this??
Maybe because during the week all the amino acids is in our blood? Then when the insulin spike or carb load comes in, all the amino acids (broken down protein) that was in our blood goes and gets stored right into our muscle, thus providing protein synthesis. I might be wrong, but I think that’s what it is.
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ok bro do u have a lot of money with u ? or are u in a mood to spend some on glutamine? if yes then u can go and use it for sure if not stay with the guidelines mabe 1 huge carb meal once every 4 days as dh has told u or like we have been doing the more u will look for opitmum thing u will ge more confussed
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
DTAlexONE wrote:
True but Disc Hoss said it himself that the only reason for the carb up is to load all the protein and nutrients right into our muscles along with the insulin spike.
That’s kind of weird. Dr. Mauro says that protein should be the lower macronutrient of carbs/fats/proteins on the weekend. If I’m not mistaken, one should get no more than 15% of their calories from protein on the carb up weekends. He says he has seen great results with only 7%-10%. His reasoning is to take in little protein during the carb up phase so when the body goes back on high protein (weekdays), the body will use it better. He cites a study on this, also.
Thoughts on this??[/quote]
My thoughts are …You are absolutely Correct, good sir!
Yet another good post from House of Atlas.
[quote]Pauli D wrote:
My thoughts are …You are absolutely Correct, good sir!
Yet another good post from House of Atlas.[/quote]
Stop it, you’re making me blush LOL!
sorry to jam up the thread but why are low carb moderate fat diets suicide? if ketosis is not the goal why is it an issue if protien is converted to blood glucose?
Carb meal on the fourth day of the week (wednesday) then another load meal 3 days later (saturday). Just make them on the fourth day’s dinner and then on the third day’s dinner. This will keep the loads on the same days of the week. Others like tues/fri. It’s the same cycle. Carb load on fourth day, then carb load on third day, then back to load on fourth day, then back to third day.
Fast way to lose BF. Once you are happy or wish to gain some muscle too, then go more AD cycle.
DH
[quote]DTAlexONE wrote:
zdrax wrote:
Sorry - I naturally work off a “weekly” schedule so Wed/Sat just tends to make “sense” to me :).
I like whole food when I’m on a diet, so I’d forego the Surge in favor of something a bit more filling.
Alright, basically what DH recommended to me was 3 days low carb, 4th day carb up. So its like this, after the 12 day induction, 3 days low carb, 4th day carb up, then 3 days low carb, 4th day carb up, 3 days low carb and so forth.
So the carb up will occur on different days, correct? Or am I goin about this wrong? Sorry if i sound retarded, lol. Also, to me its not a matter of whether the food is whole or not, I just want to know what works better on a carb load, low glycemic or high?
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Let me clarify, fellas. Use glutamine (or not) after a weekday workout to be a substitute for glucose drinks. You’ll only do this on the weekday workouts. It’ll probably be more cosmetic than anything, because whey (hydrolyzed and WPI) as well as BCAA will kick insulin up enough to do the job just fine. Glutamine, as per CP, will enhance glycogen levels faster and gives a CHO alternative for those interested in maximal leanness.
DH
[quote]zdrax wrote:
I mean, sure, I suppose you could just never eat carbs again. But then, it’s not really the Anabolic lifestyle is it? Personally, I think just subtracting an entire macronutrient is plain stupid. There are a variety of micronutrient, psychology, physiological, and lifestyle benefits to the weekend carb ups. I’d hate to live my life never tasting fruit again.
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[quote]brunottfn wrote:
sorry to jam up the thread but why are low carb moderate fat diets suicide? if ketosis is not the goal why is it an issue if protien is converted to blood glucose?[/quote]
I’m not positive, but if protein is the main source of energy, wouldn’t the body use the protein as its main energy source? Once calories are cut (during a cutting cycle), the body would continue to use protein as its energy and subpar amounts would be used to build muscle.
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Let me clarify, fellas. Use glutamine (or not) after a weekday workout to be a substitute for glucose drinks. You’ll only do this on the weekday workouts. It’ll probably be more cosmetic than anything, because whey (hydrolyzed and WPI) as well as BCAA will kick insulin up enough to do the job just fine. Glutamine, as per CP, will enhance glycogen levels faster and gives a CHO alternative for those interested in maximal leanness.
DH
zdrax wrote:
I mean, sure, I suppose you could just never eat carbs again. But then, it’s not really the Anabolic lifestyle is it? Personally, I think just subtracting an entire macronutrient is plain stupid. There are a variety of micronutrient, psychology, physiological, and lifestyle benefits to the weekend carb ups. I’d hate to live my life never tasting fruit again.
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welcome dh we needed u at this point. would be gr8 if u keep comming more often thanx a million on behalf of every one
I feel like Im joining a club within a club(T-Nation)
Its day 5. I feel…Actually I feel fine. Pretty good in fact. Im actually suprised. Ive actually gained about a pound, but my pants feel…looser. I think Ive lost a little bit of water weight around my mid section.
I figured Id be feeling pretty crappy by know. In the past, Ive not been a fan of low carb diets. But what the hell. I figured my training volume, with summer here and all, is really high, so its not like Im gonna turn into a turd.
Ive been mountain biking and swimming every day ON TOP of my usual training regimine.
Ive been eating everything in sight. I tore threw 8 eggs and 8 slices of bacon this morning with coffee. Then washed it down with a scoop of low carb protein(whey).
I got strange looks today when I ordered 6 junior cheeseburger deluxes from the dollar menu at wendy’s. Inhaled them like oxygen, no bun of course. Well, back to sorting threw the threads. Im only on the 19th 
80 more to go…
[quote]Nicholas F wrote:
I feel like Im joining a club within a club(T-Nation)
Its day 5. I feel…Actually I feel fine. Pretty good in fact. Im actually suprised. Ive actually gained about a pound, but my pants feel…looser. I think Ive lost a little bit of water weight around my mid section.
I figured Id be feeling pretty crappy by know. In the past, Ive not been a fan of low carb diets. But what the hell. I figured my training volume, with summer here and all, is really high, so its not like Im gonna turn into a turd.
Ive been mountain biking and swimming every day ON TOP of my usual training regimine.
Ive been eating everything in sight. I tore threw 8 eggs and 8 slices of bacon this morning with coffee. Then washed it down with a scoop of low carb protein(whey).
I got strange looks today when I ordered 6 junior cheeseburger deluxes from the dollar menu at wendy’s. Inhaled them like oxygen, no bun of course. Well, back to sorting threw the threads. Im only on the 19th 80 more to go…[/quote]
Sounds good, man. Keep up posted! 
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
Sounds good, man. Keep up posted!
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Thanks!
I just wanted to say a big THANK YOU to Disc Hoss. Information learned has been priceless.
My only worries now are my carb up. Ive been eating clean carbs for the past YEAR. I havent had cereal, candy, or any junk carbs in forever, and honestly, Im gonna keep it that way.
I figure on carb day, I’ll probably tear threw an entire bottle of carrot juice with some morning oatmeal and a scoop of protein powder. Maybe a blueberry muffin(homemade) to boot. Well looks like I got meal one planned out.
Does the kitchen sink have carbs in it? Im eating everything in sight.
Oh, and I took preventive measures for any cramp/constipation. Fiber caps. Gobble down about 12 grams worth a day. Everything been smooth sailing for sure.
[quote]Nicholas F wrote:
I havent had cereal, candy, or any junk carbs in forever, and honestly, Im gonna keep it that way.
Oh, and I took preventive measures for any cramp/constipation. Fiber caps. Gobble down about 12 grams worth a day. Everything been smooth sailing for sure. [/quote]
I like eating organic whole wheat cereals. I feel like they help me out a lot. Also, I agree with fiber caps/powders. They are essential. I eat a bag of spinach every other day with celery and it still isn’t enough by itself.
Some people just don’t seem to take well to vegtable fibers initially. I’ve noticed this with a few people i train. The fiber caps are hot indeed but what you might want to consider for fiber is psyllium seek husk. What I do is mix it with a egg and egg whites and cinnamon to create a “batter” and make “pancakes” out of it. It is essentially a type of omlette but consists of fat/protein and about 24 grams of fiber. A great alternative to eggs in the morning if you like and it gets you “moving” if you will. I also like to cook up two more sunny side up eggs and put them on top, with some ‘E.D. Smith’ low carb franken-syrup (sucralose/splenda). It’s like legit pancakes and It makes you keep up the huge poopies.
If you keep eating the veggies they will eventually start “working.” I noticed that they didn’t make me rock the huge cable at first but later on “kicked in.”
Hit the raw broccoli up, and chow down on the long stalks it grows on. that damn stalk is pure shitting fuel. My room mate almost distended his a$$hole after I challenged him to eat three whole (9 inch) broccoli stalks. And broc amounts to about no CHO whatsoever.
-chris
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
Nicholas F wrote:
I havent had cereal, candy, or any junk carbs in forever, and honestly, Im gonna keep it that way.
Oh, and I took preventive measures for any cramp/constipation. Fiber caps. Gobble down about 12 grams worth a day. Everything been smooth sailing for sure.
I like eating organic whole wheat cereals. I feel like they help me out a lot. Also, I agree with fiber caps/powders. They are essential. I eat a bag of spinach every other day with celery and it still isn’t enough by itself.[/quote]