My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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ok guys started the carb up from 6pm today .

ok 1 question can we have dried fish with brown rice on carbups? in india we eat that and i have not eaten it for ages and have been carving it a lot.
its usually mackreal fish which is dried in sun for days by adding salt to it . planning to fry it in olive oil and have it with brown rice is it ok ? u cannot eat a lot of it because its dry and salty maybe a small peice of i t? what do u guys think abt it ?

and one more thing do u guys feel very hot and warm i mean do u sweat when u are carbing specially when u are eating ? i have seen when i carb up i feel very warm and after sometime iam sweating by the end of the meal.

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[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
zdrax wrote:
The decrease in one’s metabolic rate is largely overstated when on a low-calorie diet. I wouldn’t be concerned at all if your number one goal is fat loss. Drop the calories as low as you possibly can stand it and monitor your carb ups closely.

I think it depends on the situation. If someone has been on a 3,000 calorie for months, then switches over to 2,500 calories, then to 2,000 calories, I would tend to think they would lose weight.

Now, if someone has been on a 1,500 calorie diet for months and they continue to stay on that 1,500 calorie diet, I don’t think they will lose much. Their metabolism is so slow.

That is why some people who don’t eat much for a long period of time can’t lose weight. My gf is on this diet and I started her at 2,500 calories and she didn’t gain anything at first. She actually lost 1-2 pounds. Then, from there, we can drop the calories and she can drop the weight.[/quote]

Good, good post!
It really is highly individualistic and situation specific -you’re oh, so correct HoA.

I hope our newbie, DtAlexOne, is paying close attention. He seems to have all the motivation and discipline necessarry to succeed…but perhaps he’s lacking in the patience dept(??).

Cutting cals works -there is no doubt. However it is possible to go too far and lose body ‘weight’ instead of body-fat as Sasha pointed out in a previous post. And that is not a good thing…is it?

The very best recipe for success is a moderate reduction is overall caloric intake coupled with a moderate increase in physical activity.

“The mean between extremes is a virtue.” as Aristotle said (or something like that).

And if you’re going to be cutting calories (energy source) and increasing activities (which requires energy) -it only makes sense to make sure the calories you DO take in are replete with energy (energy rich).
And on the AD we get out energy from fat…correct?

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[quote]raviraj wrote:
ok guys started the carb up from 6pm today .

ok 1 question can we have dried fish with brown rice on carbups? in india we eat that and i have not eaten it for ages and have been carving it a lot.
its usually mackreal fish which is dried in sun for days by adding salt to it . planning to fry it in olive oil and have it with brown rice is it ok ? u cannot eat a lot of it because its dry and salty maybe a small peice of i t? what do u guys think abt it ?

and one more thing do u guys feel very hot and warm i mean do u sweat when u are carbing specially when u are eating ? i have seen when i carb up i feel very warm and after sometime iam sweating by the end of the meal.[/quote]

You sound positively manic son :slight_smile: I seriously recommend you read Shugart’s new article about “triage.” Your number one concern should be getting ample, quality carbohydrates on the weekend. Does brown rice fit that mold? Why yes it does. While the olive oil isn’t ideal, I wouldn’t worry about it.

And… let me get this straight. You can’t eat a lot of fish because it’s dry and salty? Huh? I mean, okay maybe sodium will cause you to retain a little water but come on dude. Relax. I think you need to re-read the book (if you even have it) before you start asking some honestly wonky questions.

As far as sweating, yes that sounds normal.

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[quote]raviraj wrote:
ok guys started the carb up from 6pm today .

ok 1 question can we have dried fish with brown rice on carbups? in india we eat that and i have not eaten it for ages and have been carving it a lot.
its usually mackreal fish which is dried in sun for days by adding salt to it . planning to fry it in olive oil and have it with brown rice is it ok ? u cannot eat a lot of it because its dry and salty maybe a small peice of i t? what do u guys think abt it ?

and one more thing do u guys feel very hot and warm i mean do u sweat when u are carbing specially when u are eating ? i have seen when i carb up i feel very warm and after sometime iam sweating by the end of the meal.[/quote]

I usually sweat when I have a meal with lots of fat and protein in it. For carb up meals, I don’t really sweat much.

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[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
zdrax wrote:
The decrease in one’s metabolic rate is largely overstated when on a low-calorie diet. I wouldn’t be concerned at all if your number one goal is fat loss. Drop the calories as low as you possibly can stand it and monitor your carb ups closely.

I think it depends on the situation. If someone has been on a 3,000 calorie for months, then switches over to 2,500 calories, then to 2,000 calories, I would tend to think they would lose weight.

Now, if someone has been on a 1,500 calorie diet for months and they continue to stay on that 1,500 calorie diet, I don’t think they will lose much. Their metabolism is so slow.

That is why some people who don’t eat much for a long period of time can’t lose weight. My gf is on this diet and I started her at 2,500 calories and she didn’t gain anything at first. She actually lost 1-2 pounds. Then, from there, we can drop the calories and she can drop the weight.[/quote]

I was one of those guys that would really under eat in an effort to lose weight but always ended up losing energy and would eventually gorge on whatever I could find in the house after my body revolted. It took me a while to buy into the theory that eating more (especially fats) would aid in weight loss but it works…for me anyway.

I still on occasion cut the calories down to some pretty rediculous levels (for a guy my size) but I monitor my body temp to figure out when my metabolism is starting to shut down. When the body temp drops, it’s time for a re-feed until the fire is lit again.

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[quote]Pauli D wrote:
HouseOfAtlas wrote:
zdrax wrote:
The decrease in one’s metabolic rate is largely overstated when on a low-calorie diet. I wouldn’t be concerned at all if your number one goal is fat loss. Drop the calories as low as you possibly can stand it and monitor your carb ups closely.

I think it depends on the situation. If someone has been on a 3,000 calorie for months, then switches over to 2,500 calories, then to 2,000 calories, I would tend to think they would lose weight.

Now, if someone has been on a 1,500 calorie diet for months and they continue to stay on that 1,500 calorie diet, I don’t think they will lose much. Their metabolism is so slow.

That is why some people who don’t eat much for a long period of time can’t lose weight. My gf is on this diet and I started her at 2,500 calories and she didn’t gain anything at first. She actually lost 1-2 pounds. Then, from there, we can drop the calories and she can drop the weight.

Good, good post!
It really is highly individualistic and situation specific -you’re oh, so correct HoA.

I hope our newbie, DtAlexOne, is paying close attention. He seems to have all the motivation and discipline necessarry to succeed…but perhaps he’s lacking in the patience dept(??).

Cutting cals works -there is no doubt. However it is possible to go too far and lose body ‘weight’ instead of body-fat as Sasha pointed out in a previous post. And that is not a good thing…is it?

The very best recipe for success is a moderate reduction is overall caloric intake coupled with a moderate increase in physical activity.

“The mean between extremes is a virtue.” as Aristotle said (or something like that).

And if you’re going to be cutting calories (energy source) and increasing activities (which requires energy) -it only makes sense to make sure the calories you DO take in are replete with energy (energy rich).
And on the AD we get out energy from fat…correct?[/quote]

At some point, however, I think people believe they’ve stalled, and start reading all the literature about depressed metabolic rate (which is dodgy at best). The infamous Minnesota semi-starvation study still saw, at maximum, a 16% energy expenditure deficit caused by adapative metabolic processes (pure slowed metabolism). The rest came from reduced NEAP. And most people aren’t rapidly and suddenly cutting their maintenance calories in half. Keep in mind, these guys lost basically all of their body fat.

Especially in the later stages of a diet, you really just have to grit it out if you want to get really really lean.

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[quote]Photo Guy wrote:
HouseOfAtlas wrote:
zdrax wrote:
The decrease in one’s metabolic rate is largely overstated when on a low-calorie diet. I wouldn’t be concerned at all if your number one goal is fat loss. Drop the calories as low as you possibly can stand it and monitor your carb ups closely.

I think it depends on the situation. If someone has been on a 3,000 calorie for months, then switches over to 2,500 calories, then to 2,000 calories, I would tend to think they would lose weight.

Now, if someone has been on a 1,500 calorie diet for months and they continue to stay on that 1,500 calorie diet, I don’t think they will lose much. Their metabolism is so slow.

That is why some people who don’t eat much for a long period of time can’t lose weight. My gf is on this diet and I started her at 2,500 calories and she didn’t gain anything at first. She actually lost 1-2 pounds. Then, from there, we can drop the calories and she can drop the weight.

I was one of those guys that would really under eat in an effort to lose weight but always ended up losing energy and would eventually gorge on whatever I could find in the house after my body revolted. It took me a while to buy into the theory that eating more (especially fats) would aid in weight loss but it works…for me anyway.

I still on occasion cut the calories down to some pretty rediculous levels (for a guy my size) but I monitor my body temp to figure out when my metabolism is starting to shut down. When the body temp drops, it’s time for a re-feed until the fire is lit again.

[/quote]

Yeah, that’s the real kicker. When you diet that low, your brain just gets screwed up and you develop some erratic eating behaviors.

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[quote]zdrax wrote:
raviraj wrote:
ok guys started the carb up from 6pm today .

ok 1 question can we have dried fish with brown rice on carbups? in india we eat that and i have not eaten it for ages and have been carving it a lot.
its usually mackreal fish which is dried in sun for days by adding salt to it . planning to fry it in olive oil and have it with brown rice is it ok ? u cannot eat a lot of it because its dry and salty maybe a small peice of i t? what do u guys think abt it ?

and one more thing do u guys feel very hot and warm i mean do u sweat when u are carbing specially when u are eating ? i have seen when i carb up i feel very warm and after sometime iam sweating by the end of the meal.

You sound positively manic son :slight_smile: I seriously recommend you read Shugart’s new article about “triage.” Your number one concern should be getting ample, quality carbohydrates on the weekend. Does brown rice fit that mold? Why yes it does. While the olive oil isn’t ideal, I wouldn’t worry about it.

And… let me get this straight. You can’t eat a lot of fish because it’s dry and salty? Huh? I mean, okay maybe sodium will cause you to retain a little water but come on dude. Relax. I think you need to re-read the book (if you even have it) before you start asking some honestly wonky questions.

As far as sweating, yes that sounds normal. [/quote]

ok iam sorry if i was silly in asking something . i did read the book …now see dried fish is something that has no mention in the book and again not many of us eat it also …as i was carving for it i asked if i can ?..again iam no expert maybe as u are and maybe bro i dont even have the years maybe u spend in the gym iam just 8 months old in the gym . some questions for some 1 can be wonky or silly for some they might be very imp . again iam sorry if somewhere u got pissed off with my question. brown rice was not the issue dried fish was …as we have to keep protien low right but dried fish was something iam carving abt so i asked can i go for it just that. if i reply some 1 and suggest anything to any 1 …its only through what i read from this thread and applied .

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T-Nation: Okay, some of you prefer a cyclical approach when it comes to carbs. I’d like to hear all of your thoughts on any aspect of cycling carb intake.

Charles Poliquin: Compliance and results dictate how well you’ll do in the strength coaching business. I’ve learned a lot from Mauro DiPasquale about how to cycle carbs. In a nutshell, for most (but not all) individuals, I like this approach:

First phase (initiation): 14 days low-carb, one day off completely

Second phase: As needed to reach goal

I have the client use a 4:1 ratio for as long as needed. That is, four days low-carb, one day off. “Off” is a broad term. The leaner you are, the more you can eat carbs. At 6% you can go crazy.

Every fifth day you should go back to eating more good carbs, as oxidation of branch-chain amino acids is compromised on low-carb diets. The amount of good carbs is inversely proportional to your percentage of body fat.

If they’re fat, the client only has the single cheat meal, at dinner, where he or she can eat as many carbs as they want ? once they’ve eaten their protein. If their ass leaves the table, the carb intake is done for the day.

Carbs at dinner doesn’t mean that cookies and donuts can be eaten in front of the television all night long. It’s important that the cheat meal is at the dinner table; people can eat far more carbs for a longer time in front of the TV. You may start to add a second cheat meal once you hit 8% body fat.

Some more closing thoughts? Here you go:

No one eats enough vegetables. Have you ever heard on anybody having a binge on brussel sprouts?

I don’t believe in counting calories. It’s a waste of time.

You can dramatically improve insulin sensitivity. Recently, in Toronto, I gave 16 hours of info on that topic alone. There are plenty of nutraceuticals (i.e. R-form stabilized alpha-lipoic acid, not the useless racemic form that everybody sells), and botanicals that will improve insulin sensitivity, and there are functional tests that can determine which ones would work best for you. Insulin sensitivity and the ability to hypertrophy while leaning out are strongly correlated, more so than androgen output.

Finally, low-carb fats without a high intake of smart fats is suicidal. That’s probably why many people fail to have results on low-carb programs.

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[quote]raviraj wrote:
zdrax wrote:
raviraj wrote:
ok guys started the carb up from 6pm today .

ok 1 question can we have dried fish with brown rice on carbups? in india we eat that and i have not eaten it for ages and have been carving it a lot.
its usually mackreal fish which is dried in sun for days by adding salt to it . planning to fry it in olive oil and have it with brown rice is it ok ? u cannot eat a lot of it because its dry and salty maybe a small peice of i t? what do u guys think abt it ?

and one more thing do u guys feel very hot and warm i mean do u sweat when u are carbing specially when u are eating ? i have seen when i carb up i feel very warm and after sometime iam sweating by the end of the meal.

You sound positively manic son :slight_smile: I seriously recommend you read Shugart’s new article about “triage.” Your number one concern should be getting ample, quality carbohydrates on the weekend. Does brown rice fit that mold? Why yes it does. While the olive oil isn’t ideal, I wouldn’t worry about it.

And… let me get this straight. You can’t eat a lot of fish because it’s dry and salty? Huh? I mean, okay maybe sodium will cause you to retain a little water but come on dude. Relax. I think you need to re-read the book (if you even have it) before you start asking some honestly wonky questions.

As far as sweating, yes that sounds normal.

ok iam sorry if i was silly in asking something . i did read the book …now see dried fish is something that has no mention in the book and again not many of us eat it also …as i was carving for it i asked if i can ?..again iam no expert maybe as u are and maybe bro i dont even have the years maybe u spend in the gym iam just 8 months old in the gym . some questions for some 1 can be wonky or silly for some they might be very imp . again iam sorry if somewhere u got pissed off with my question. brown rice was not the issue dried fish was …as we have to keep protien low right but dried fish was something iam carving abt so i asked can i go for it just that. if i reply some 1 and suggest anything to any 1 …its only through what i read from this thread and applied .[/quote]

Dude, it’s alright. Enjoy yourself on your carb ups. I’m sure dried fish is fine :slight_smile:

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[quote]zdrax wrote:
raviraj wrote:
zdrax wrote:
raviraj wrote:
ok guys started the carb up from 6pm today .

ok 1 question can we have dried fish with brown rice on carbups? in india we eat that and i have not eaten it for ages and have been carving it a lot.
its usually mackreal fish which is dried in sun for days by adding salt to it . planning to fry it in olive oil and have it with brown rice is it ok ? u cannot eat a lot of it because its dry and salty maybe a small peice of i t? what do u guys think abt it ?

and one more thing do u guys feel very hot and warm i mean do u sweat when u are carbing specially when u are eating ? i have seen when i carb up i feel very warm and after sometime iam sweating by the end of the meal.

You sound positively manic son :slight_smile: I seriously recommend you read Shugart’s new article about “triage.” Your number one concern should be getting ample, quality carbohydrates on the weekend. Does brown rice fit that mold? Why yes it does. While the olive oil isn’t ideal, I wouldn’t worry about it.

And… let me get this straight. You can’t eat a lot of fish because it’s dry and salty? Huh? I mean, okay maybe sodium will cause you to retain a little water but come on dude. Relax. I think you need to re-read the book (if you even have it) before you start asking some honestly wonky questions.

As far as sweating, yes that sounds normal.

ok iam sorry if i was silly in asking something . i did read the book …now see dried fish is something that has no mention in the book and again not many of us eat it also …as i was carving for it i asked if i can ?..again iam no expert maybe as u are and maybe bro i dont even have the years maybe u spend in the gym iam just 8 months old in the gym . some questions for some 1 can be wonky or silly for some they might be very imp . again iam sorry if somewhere u got pissed off with my question. brown rice was not the issue dried fish was …as we have to keep protien low right but dried fish was something iam carving abt so i asked can i go for it just that. if i reply some 1 and suggest anything to any 1 …its only through what i read from this thread and applied .

Dude, it’s alright. Enjoy yourself on your carb ups. I’m sure dried fish is fine :)[/quote]

thanx bro and thanx a million for ur suggestion to read the article i read it and i know i do get messy at times . the thing is that body building is not very advanced here in india .this is the only thread on which i depend as my trouble shooting guide. any way thanx again and thanx for sharing ur views and knowledge for this thread

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“There are plenty of nutraceuticals (i.e. R-form stabilized alpha-lipoic acid, not the useless racemic form that everybody sells), and botanicals that will improve insulin sensitivity, and there are functional tests that can determine which ones would work best for you.”

anybody have examples of such nutraceuticals and botanicals other than R-ALA, and know where/how/what about these functional tests?

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Im jumping on the bandwagon…See how it goes…But Im gonna finish reading all the threads first…

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[quote]Nicholas F wrote:
Im jumping on the bandwagon…See how it goes…But Im gonna finish reading all the threads first…[/quote]

welcome bro …and wise desicion to read the thread lot of info

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Lol, thank you everybody for the suggestions and advice. I hope this will be the be-all end-all diet, lol. One more question, earlier in this thread Disc Hoss suggested glutamine instead of CHO. So instead of loading on carbs, one could do so with glutamine and still have the same anabolic effects? If this is so, I think glutamine would be better because it preserves muscle and minimizes fat gain in addition to replenishing the muscles. I think that would be great, but i’m not genuis, lol.

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[quote]DTAlexONE wrote:
Lol, thank you everybody for the suggestions and advice. I hope this will be the be-all end-all diet, lol. One more question, earlier in this thread Disc Hoss suggested glutamine instead of CHO. So instead of loading on carbs, one could do so with glutamine and still have the same anabolic effects? If this is so, I think glutamine would be better because it preserves muscle and minimizes fat gain in addition to replenishing the muscles. I think that would be great, but i’m not genuis, lol.[/quote]

Yes, on weekends, I don’t even carb-load anymore, I just eat 12 pounds of glutamine. :slight_smile: And this does seem to be the be-all end-all diet, which makes it a lifestyle, not a diet. I move to completely erase this thread and start all over using…“Anabolic lifestyle”. I’m going to go carb-load on beer and watch UFC 61

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[quote]allNatural wrote:
DTAlexONE wrote:
Lol, thank you everybody for the suggestions and advice. I hope this will be the be-all end-all diet, lol. One more question, earlier in this thread Disc Hoss suggested glutamine instead of CHO. So instead of loading on carbs, one could do so with glutamine and still have the same anabolic effects? If this is so, I think glutamine would be better because it preserves muscle and minimizes fat gain in addition to replenishing the muscles. I think that would be great, but i’m not genuis, lol.

Yes, on weekends, I don’t even carb-load anymore, I just eat 12 pounds of glutamine. :slight_smile: And this does seem to be the be-all end-all diet, which makes it a lifestyle, not a diet. I move to completely erase this thread and start all over using…“Anabolic lifestyle”. I’m going to go carb-load on beer and watch UFC 61
[/quote]

I second the motion!

You ponied-up the $39.99 for UFC 61?
Dang it!
Why don’t I have any friends like YOU in my neighborhood!?!!

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[quote]allNatural wrote:
DTAlexONE wrote:
Lol, thank you everybody for the suggestions and advice. I hope this will be the be-all end-all diet, lol. One more question, earlier in this thread Disc Hoss suggested glutamine instead of CHO. So instead of loading on carbs, one could do so with glutamine and still have the same anabolic effects? If this is so, I think glutamine would be better because it preserves muscle and minimizes fat gain in addition to replenishing the muscles. I think that would be great, but i’m not genuis, lol.

Yes, on weekends, I don’t even carb-load anymore, I just eat 12 pounds of glutamine. :slight_smile: And this does seem to be the be-all end-all diet, which makes it a lifestyle, not a diet. I move to completely erase this thread and start all over using…“Anabolic lifestyle”. I’m going to go carb-load on beer and watch UFC 61
[/quote]

Oh man, thats gonna be one good pay per view. I can’t wait. It has been said that carb loading reduces cortisol levels and increases insulin level with the anabolic properties. Will glutamine mimic the exact same effects but without the fat gain?

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[quote]DTAlexONE wrote:
allNatural wrote:
DTAlexONE wrote:
Lol, thank you everybody for the suggestions and advice. I hope this will be the be-all end-all diet, lol. One more question, earlier in this thread Disc Hoss suggested glutamine instead of CHO. So instead of loading on carbs, one could do so with glutamine and still have the same anabolic effects? If this is so, I think glutamine would be better because it preserves muscle and minimizes fat gain in addition to replenishing the muscles. I think that would be great, but i’m not genuis, lol.

Yes, on weekends, I don’t even carb-load anymore, I just eat 12 pounds of glutamine. :slight_smile: And this does seem to be the be-all end-all diet, which makes it a lifestyle, not a diet. I move to completely erase this thread and start all over using…“Anabolic lifestyle”. I’m going to go carb-load on beer and watch UFC 61

Oh man, thats gonna be one good pay per view. I can’t wait. It has been said that carb loading reduces cortisol levels and increases insulin level with the anabolic properties. Will glutamine mimic the exact same effects but without the fat gain?
[/quote]

I wouldn’t get too hung up about glutamine and supplements. This lifestyle should be decreasing your supplement bill, not increasing it. To be honest, I doubt most people would benefit much from glutamine. I’d spend my $$$ on some choice cuts of meat, Power Drive (which I maintain may be the greatest supplement ever invented), some BCAAs, and creatine.

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[quote]zdrax wrote:
DTAlexONE wrote:
allNatural wrote:
DTAlexONE wrote:
Lol, thank you everybody for the suggestions and advice. I hope this will be the be-all end-all diet, lol. One more question, earlier in this thread Disc Hoss suggested glutamine instead of CHO. So instead of loading on carbs, one could do so with glutamine and still have the same anabolic effects? If this is so, I think glutamine would be better because it preserves muscle and minimizes fat gain in addition to replenishing the muscles. I think that would be great, but i’m not genuis, lol.

Yes, on weekends, I don’t even carb-load anymore, I just eat 12 pounds of glutamine. :slight_smile: And this does seem to be the be-all end-all diet, which makes it a lifestyle, not a diet. I move to completely erase this thread and start all over using…“Anabolic lifestyle”. I’m going to go carb-load on beer and watch UFC 61

Oh man, thats gonna be one good pay per view. I can’t wait. It has been said that carb loading reduces cortisol levels and increases insulin level with the anabolic properties. Will glutamine mimic the exact same effects but without the fat gain?

I wouldn’t get too hung up about glutamine and supplements. This lifestyle should be decreasing your supplement bill, not increasing it. To be honest, I doubt most people would benefit much from glutamine. I’d spend my $$$ on some choice cuts of meat, Power Drive (which I maintain may be the greatest supplement ever invented), some BCAAs, and creatine.

[/quote]

True but Disc Hoss said it himself that the only reason for the carb up is to load all the protein and nutrients right into our muscles along with the insulin spike. But with the carbs, there is chance of a little fat gain if one overloads too much. Now, my question is, if glutamine can do this, then I think glutamine would be the better choice, wouldnt you agree?