[quote]raviraj wrote:
hey guys are u taking fats plus protien after workout ? …just had a doubt that the fat will delay the uptake of protien in muscles ? …what do every 1 and the vetrans think about this ? is just a protien shake or fats plus protien shake ? help will be really appreciated[/quote]
2 scoops of whey
1tbs cream
3tbs flax meal
2 fish oil caps
sometimes a tbs of Nat. PB…depending on the flavor of the protein.
thanx a million for the reply …i usually take optimum one and half scoop whey protien …and after 90 min i take somw whole food.
by the way all my freinds there …every 1 is amazed with my results from 94kgs when i started the diet iam now 87 kgs people say iam looking lean and i want to say tht it only happend because of u guys i give all this credit to u guys i orderedthe book from a freind in usa still this thread is simply mindblowing and it helps so much here . though the diet seems to raise many eyebrows i dont care u see bcz iam getting results …iam following vince gironda methods to train and they are fast paced workouts like i did shoulders and triceps today in just 20min …4x10,8,6 sets overhead dumbell press then 8x8 sets for lateral raises and rear delts super seted
2x10 shrugs
triceps
3x8 bodyweight triceps dips
2x10skull crusher
2x8close grip bench press
great pump
by the way vincve gironda allways said that fast workouts and diet same as we follow is all that needed to get low body fat …he never ever advocated cardio like jogging according to him jogging will have a hormonal loss in body and will halt the progress but instead of 24 or 48 hour feeds he suggested just 2 meals no protien and fat in that meal …every 3 or 5 days just to fill the glygogen smae what rob faigin says in his NHE…what are the views here on this approach…iam in no way trying to change our diet or anything just asking has any 1 done this before i mean no cardio and just 2 carb meals in a week …and what were the results losing bodyfat ? by the way i again want to say thanx to every 1 this thread has helped me more then the book
3 sets
I just finished my first carb-loading and have coughs all the sudden(I haven’t been sick in forever). I saw someone say they felt like they’re fighting off a cold after carb-loading. any thoughts?
ps. throughout the two days I basically ate two footlong tubway subs (for $8.99 btw), a loaf of healthnut bread with a couple big cheese sandwiches, a big baby greens salad w/ olive oil and so on. is cheese okay for carb days? thanks, allnat
On carb day, you are suppose to get fats in your diet still. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but you should still get about 20%-30% of calories from fat. I believe you can go lower, though.
As for protein, you can go as low as 10% or as high as 20%. Again, someone correct me if these numbers are far from what Dr.Mauro said in his books.
[quote]allNatural wrote:
I just finished my first carb-loading and have coughs all the sudden(I haven’t been sick in forever). I saw someone say they felt like they’re fighting off a cold after carb-loading. any thoughts?
ps. throughout the two days I basically ate two footlong tubway subs (for $8.99 btw), a loaf of healthnut bread with a couple big cheese sandwiches, a big baby greens salad w/ olive oil and so on. is cheese okay for carb days? thanks, allnat[/quote]
allnat,
For the first little while I felt like I was getting ill after carb loads. I had what felt like a sore throat . . .
It fades after a bit but it does suck. I’m about 8 weeks in and am humming along. I’ve been cutting for the past two weeks and it’s really been easy. I’ve been averaging about 2000-2500 cals per day during the week with the weekends getting a kick with the carbs. I’d say I’m almost at my leanest ever. Anyway, enough of that detour.
Stick with it and take comfort that the cold is very much a temporary thing and you’ll be feeling like a million bucks soon enough.
Cheers.
Sasha
thanks sasha, good to hear i shouldn’t expect this every carbload. I DID feel like a million bucks through the no carb phase and didn’t crash, but the carbload was brutal. btw, brazil nuts are pretty much the shit for good fat/protein and has like 1 gram carbs per serving and I think its all fiber anyway. Also, I’m thinking that for Post workout, since cheese spikes insulin like crazy, does that apply and would be a good food choice at that time with some WPI? or does insulin spiking food only apply to benefit PWO with high GI carbs? thanks, allnat
[quote]allNatural wrote:
since cheese spikes insulin like crazy[/quote]
Cheese spikes insulin? That’s new to me. Could someone please explain why it does?
Gradually, as this thread gets bigger and bigger, more of the vets will drop off and the crazies will start to come in by the truckfull…much like the site as a whole.
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Gradually, as this thread gets bigger and bigger, more of the vets will drop off and the crazies will start to come in by the truckfull…much like the site as a whole. [/quote]
Il,
I couldn’t agree more as it’s really felt like this thread has been an oasis from the B.S. that exists on this site.
I for one would like to really try hard to continue with this thread as it has provided a wealth of guidance for me and so many others.
I’m happy to try and help those based on my experience thus far but it is my hope that they will take the time to read the entire thread and books before asking the same questions. I think we’d be hard pressed to find a “new” question that hasn’t been asked several times. I would like to see this thread conitnue with the aim to help those on the actual diet with troubleshooting and customising it to their specific goals. No more defending the diet as a whole.
Anyway, that’s my P.O.V. and I hope that this thread never dies as the AD has really helped me improve my physique.
Cheers all.
Sasha
i really liked what sasha said …i totally agree with him …i think many people who are new …reaaly dont take the time to read the entire thread from the first page …because in first pages there have been tons of advice by disc hoss and il cazzo and this 2 guys have helped us a lot every 1 on this thread with there first hand expereince …this thread is invaluable because i rely trust this thread and every 1 all new and old guys more then my trainer in the gym like i said in the last post of mine this thread has helped me more then the book itself we have sasha house of atlas who are reaaly great guys who really have a passion to help every 1 . as sasha said this thread must be like trouble shooting guide … by the way had massive carbup …of 5 meals in 24 hours time and thats it and belive me guys i thought iam going to go in a coma while eating i wnet to a typical indian no limit buffet which had …6 vegetables whole wheat and multi grains tortillas mango pulp sweets rice youghurt and to be frank i dont remeber what all i ate …but …belive me its no joke …in few mins though my tummy was also blown …my arms and chest become pumped and i could reaaly see the veins popping up tommorow again with butter and goat meat and chiken and yummy fats .
can we also …try and give our body compositions changes also that we can really inspire eachother more …we just talk about food more though its imp in my view body changes details maybe lean mass gains or fat loss gains while reaaly inspire us a loooot i think …by the way too hot here in india very hot …hope u guys had a great carb up …by the way just a detail to share …in india we have a habit to do a prayer before we eat …like saying god thanx for thr food …i have tweaked the prayer a little on carb ups …i say thanx to god and also in advance thanx god …for filling my glygogen stores and not taking the excess in fat cells
how about someone start a F.A.Q thread for us newbies and maybe the vets could jump on and give us some help so this thread does not get jammed up with the same questions over and over.
[quote]raviraj wrote:
…by the way just a detail to share …in india we have a habit to do a prayer before we eat …like saying god thanx for thr food …i have tweaked the prayer a little on carb ups …i say thanx to god and also in advance thanx god …for filling my glygogen stores and not taking the excess in fat cells [/quote]
“Almighty God; Source of all being,
Thank you for all this food that I’m seeing.
Nourish my body and feed my soul,
give this food purpose -I shove down my hole.
Fill up my muscles -till they’re all big and swollen…
The rest you can then shoot right out my colon!”
wow that was a wonderful prayer may i try that for thr next weekend by the way …every 1 out there …is creatine monohydrate and glutamine can be the best stack to use on our diet and if yes …are there any suggestions of how to use them ? on weekdays and also on carb ups help like allways appreciated
[quote]Pauli D wrote:
raviraj wrote:
…by the way just a detail to share …in india we have a habit to do a prayer before we eat …like saying god thanx for thr food …i have tweaked the prayer a little on carb ups …i say thanx to god and also in advance thanx god …for filling my glygogen stores and not taking the excess in fat cells
“Almighty God; Source of all being,
Thank you for all this food that I’m seeing.
Nourish my body and feed my soul,
give this food purpose -I shove down my hole.
Fill up my muscles -till they’re all big and swollen…
The rest you can then shoot right out my colon!”
[/quote]
wowwwww pauli d that was wonderful man …u rhymed it so nice …i think i must really say thanx to u u gave me a more meaning full prayer 
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
allNatural wrote:
since cheese spikes insulin like crazy
Cheese spikes insulin? That’s new to me. Could someone please explain why it does? [/quote]
I saw it on a chart in one of Dr. Berardi’s articles i think. it compared insulin and GI for diff foods and cheese and milk were up there w/ sugar (prob. cuz the lactose). I don’t want to sift through all the articles to find it again so i guess u’ll have to trust me
[quote]allNatural wrote:
I saw it on a chart in one of Dr. Berardi’s articles i think. it compared insulin and GI for diff foods and cheese and milk were up there w/ sugar (prob. cuz the lactose). I don’t want to sift through all the articles to find it again so i guess u’ll have to trust me[/quote]
No, I trust you. I was just curious on why it would. I mean, lactose has a GI of 30 something which would mean it takes longer to digest.
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
allNatural wrote:
I saw it on a chart in one of Dr. Berardi’s articles i think. it compared insulin and GI for diff foods and cheese and milk were up there w/ sugar (prob. cuz the lactose). I don’t want to sift through all the articles to find it again so i guess u’ll have to trust me
No, I trust you. I was just curious on why it would. I mean, lactose has a GI of 30 something which would mean it takes longer to digest. [/quote]
From “The Thib Zone” thread: pg 98
The last paragraph addresses the milk issue.
CT said:
“A much smarter man than me regarding nutrition (our own John Berardi) wrote the following on that subject:”
"The Glycemic Index (GI) is a classification scheme based on the blood glucose rise after consuming a carbohydrate food. This measure is based on the absorption profile of the food and was originally considered an indirect, but adequate measure of the insulin response to food. The assumption was that the insulin rise would be proportional to the glucose rise. However, recent research has demonstrated a dissociation of the glycemic response and the insulin response to the food. Therefore the insulin index was created.
The Insulin Index (II) is an index of the magnitude of insulin secretion as a result of food ingestion. Of course, this is the direct measure that the glycemic index could only approximate. Since insulin is a tricky hormone to manage, it’s best to know exactly what’s happening with this guy, especially if you have poor insulin sensitivity or poor carbohydrate tolerance.
Studies by Holt et al (1996) and Ostman et al (2001) highlighted some of these differences between glycemia and insulinemia. Interestingly, while the glycemic and insulin indices of many foods were similar, some foods caused unpredicted responses. As shown in the following graph, foods like yogurt and milk had relatively low-glycemic indices, but very high insulin indices. White and brown rice, on the other hand, had high-glycemic indices, but low insulin indices. The point here is that if you want to effectively manage body composition, you should choose your carbohydrates based on both the glycemic and insulin indices. Unfortunately, there are only limited insulin data out there, leading us to continue to rely in some cases only on the glycemic index."
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[quote]allNatural wrote:
HouseOfAtlas wrote:
allNatural wrote:
since cheese spikes insulin like crazy
Cheese spikes insulin? That’s new to me. Could someone please explain why it does?
I saw it on a chart in one of Dr. Berardi’s articles i think. it compared insulin and GI for diff foods and cheese and milk were up there w/ sugar (prob. cuz the lactose). I don’t want to sift through all the articles to find it again so i guess u’ll have to trust me[/quote]
The chart’s data probably comes from the Holt study, which compared the insulin responses for several common foods - 38 of them. They compared all the foods to white bread, which had a score of 100. Cheese had a score of 45.
I think it would be very useful if people who tried the AD and abandoned it posted their experiences and the reasons they went off of it.
This would give a more coplete picture of this diet-lifestyle and it would make the thread more objective since there would be not only positive opinions.
Not sure how those people would be informed or urged to do so, though.
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Gradually, as this thread gets bigger and bigger, more of the vets will drop off and the crazies will start to come in by the truckfull…much like the site as a whole. [/quote]
Do you prepare your own drop off by this?