I think this has already been asked, but I couldn’t find the area in this massive thread where it was discussed - if one is doing a 36 hour load, should the last meal or two of the second day of the load be mainly protein with a little fat (due to the possibility of high insulin at this time), or is it OK to make them regular, high-fat AD meals?
[quote]d4ve wrote:
I think this has already been asked, but I couldn’t find the area in this massive thread where it was discussed - if one is doing a 36 hour load, should the last meal or two of the second day of the load be mainly protein with a little fat (due to the possibility of high insulin at this time), or is it OK to make them regular, high-fat AD meals?[/quote]
In my opinion, I think it would be okay for them to be regular AD meals.
The 36 hour carb up isn’t set in stone. If you are feeling full and you look like you are smoothing out, its time to switch back onto the AD diet.
Personally, I now start my carb up Friday night and end Saturday night (24 hour carb up). I feel I get more than enough carbs during this time and this is what I feel works for me.
[quote]SashaG wrote:
2. As is mention quite a bit in this thread and Dr. D’s book, ketosis is NOT the goal. We want to move through ketosis to a consistent fat burning state. We do that through the 12 day induction.[/quote]
One does go into ketosis on this diet, with refeeds on the weekends.
[quote]SashaG wrote:
Quick question for the ADers . . .
Has anyone on this thread gotten really lean, I mean sub 10%, on this diet? If so, what was your excercise and calorie protocol.
I’ve been on this lifestyle for about 7 weeks and still haven’t really gotten the hang of it in terms of dialing it in.
Just curious . . .
Thanks,
Sasha
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Have you tried lowering your calories by dropping your dietary fat intake?
[quote]TommyGunn wrote:
SashaG wrote:
Quick question for the ADers . . .
Has anyone on this thread gotten really lean, I mean sub 10%, on this diet? If so, what was your excercise and calorie protocol.
I’ve been on this lifestyle for about 7 weeks and still haven’t really gotten the hang of it in terms of dialing it in.
Just curious . . .
Thanks,
Sasha
Have you tried lowering your calories by dropping your dietary fat intake?[/quote]
Could you please not give advice if you don’t understand the fucking diet. Thanks.
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Could you please not give advice if you don’t understand the fucking diet. Thanks.[/quote]
I own and have read “The Metabolic Diet,” "Anabolic Solution,"and “The Anabolic Diet,” all by DiPasquale. I have also read his articles and FAQ on his site. So I think I understand the fucking diet.
In the cutting phase of the diet, one is suppose to lower dietary fat if they want to lose weight. The calories, in this case, would be lowered. Cutting out some fat here and some fat there will drop the calories signficantly.
Wow . . . this really got ugly all of a sudden.
Il . . . all I was doing was sharing my experiences and knowledge from what I’ve gone through and know from all the literature.
The reason I asked the question about sub 10% is because after following this entire thread I have noticed that there are not a lot of the same people around. I wanted to understand people’s longevity with this lifestyle.
I have lowered my caloric intake and have noticed improvements in just a week. Some great advice I got from someone on the thread.
Seriously Il, relax. You don’t have to act like you need to have been on the AD for 2+ years to discuss other people’s questions. Plus, I tend to refer to old post from guys like you and Hoss for information.
This has always been a friendly environment for discussion . . . why change the discourse now.
Sasha
Ok . . . I just realized that you weren’t talking to me with your last post . . . my mistake!
Hope you took no offence Il.
Cheers.
Sasha
[quote]SashaG wrote:
Ok . . . I just realized that you weren’t talking to me with your last post . . . my mistake!
Hope you took no offence Il.
Cheers.
Sasha
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No problem Sasha.
[quote]TommyGunn wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
Could you please not give advice if you don’t understand the fucking diet. Thanks.
I own and have read “The Metabolic Diet,” "Anabolic Solution,"and “The Anabolic Diet,” all by DiPasquale. I have also read his articles and FAQ on his site. So I think I understand the fucking diet.[/quote]
You could have Mario locked up in your basement for all I care. You own the books yet tell people to drop their fat intake and that one does go into ketosis. Perhaps you should re-read.
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
TommyGunn wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
Could you please not give advice if you don’t understand the fucking diet. Thanks.
I own and have read “The Metabolic Diet,” "Anabolic Solution,"and “The Anabolic Diet,” all by DiPasquale. I have also read his articles and FAQ on his site. So I think I understand the fucking diet.
You could have Mario locked up in your basement for all I care. You own the books yet tell people to drop their fat intake and that one does go into ketosis. Perhaps you should re-read.
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It is Mauro, not Mario.
When one enters the Cutting Phase of the diet, one DOES drop his/her calories and fat intake. In his book, DiPasquale states, “To lose bodyfat while at the same time maintaining muscle mass, you slowly [u]decrease your caloric intake and at the same time your fat intake.[/u] [Hmm, isn’t that what I suggested?] By providing less calories and dietary fat, your body will use its fat stores, not muscle, more and more to make up any energy deficits. In some circumstances, because of lower dietary fat levels, your diet may contain only moderate or even low levels of fat, mainly in the form of the essential and monosaturated fatty acids.”
Do you want the page numbers for reference, because it seems like that you need to re-read the info? Or are you going to say that DiPasquale does not understand the fucking diet and needs to go re-read, as well?
During the Cutting Phase, DiPasquale states on his website, “I recommend that people keep their up their protein intake as they drop their calories, and in some cases even increase it. The drop in calories comes from dropping dietary fat intake. In the final draft of the Anabolic Solution I mention this in several places.”
As DiPasquale states, he mentions this advice several places in the book. You must have missed those.
DiPasquale continues, “For example in the cutting phase section I write: Again, we don’t change the mechanics of the Metabolic Diet in any phase, at least as far as the carb intakes. It’s always 5 days high protein, low followed by 24-48 hours of carb loading. [u]The only thing we change is the amount of calories and fat we eat.[/u] [Again, did I not mention this?] Since it’s important to keep protein levels high (perhaps even higher than when in the other phases since as you lower calories, more protein is oxidized directly for energy, and used to form glucose through the gluconeogenesis) and carbs are already low, [u]we have to decrease the amount of fat we eat[/u] during the low carb phase and to a lesser extent through the higher carb phase.”
YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN. Whew, I was havin trouble falling asleep too…
hopping back on the ad tomorrow.i went off for about a month.did a dicipline moderate fat moderate carb after workout thing.not really a happy person these days.gained 3 percent body fat in the three weeks off,havent made any strength gains what so ever.muscles what little i have lol ,have appeared smaller as well.so hopping back on the ad and going to hit it hard.i had great results with it in mind and body. i had some energy laspes before and during workouts,thinking that could be from not eating enough. so ill eat a bit more and see what happens.
[quote]TommyGunn wrote:
One does go into ketosis on this diet, with refeeds on the weekends.[/quote]
I think that’s what caused Il Cazzo’s fury and not the low fat thing.
And, man, if you really think that’s the story with the AD, then i have to agree with Il Cazzo about how much you understand the meaning of this diet.
As a guy who shed 110 lbs a few years back on the atkins diet and now follows Rob Faigan’s NHE, I’m a huge fan of a lower carb/timed carb-up lifestyle. I’ve got to say that despite what might be suppose to happen, I do enter ketosis when I’m following NHE and cant see how one could not enter ketosis following the AD. Why is ketosis viewed as a bad thing? After all, it supresses the appetite and keeps me from wanting to splurge on junk food. I’d say that is a huge advantage to have on my side.
[quote]g.anagno wrote:
TommyGunn wrote:
One does go into ketosis on this diet, with refeeds on the weekends.
I think that’s what caused Il Cazzo’s fury and not the low fat thing.
And, man, if you really think that’s the story with the AD, then i have to agree with Il Cazzo about how much you understand the meaning of this diet.[/quote]
[quote]g.anagno wrote:
TommyGunn wrote:
One does go into ketosis on this diet, with refeeds on the weekends.
I think that’s what caused Il Cazzo’s fury and not the low fat thing.
And, man, if you really think that’s the story with the AD, then i have to agree with Il Cazzo about how much you understand the meaning of this diet.[/quote]
You are not him, so how do you know what he thinks? Did he tell you? His unpleasant reply was directly in response to the decreasing fat post, which he is wrong about anyway.
I recommended to another to drop his calories and IlCazzo responds with his unpleasant comment, which was uncalled for. He does not know me nor know what I understand or fail to understand. Then I posted stuff directly from DiPasquale, which states [u]EXACTLY[/u] what I recommended. Was my advice wrong, as he contends? Not according to DiPasquale. Of course one needs to drop fat intake to drop calories. What else are you going to decrease? Carbs are already at <30g/day and you want to keep protein the same or even increase it.
I have owned “The Anabolic Diet” [bought it when it first came out from Optimum Training Systems in 1995 (I have their Bulgarian training books as well)],“The Metabolic Diet,” “The Anabolic Solution,” “The Ketogenic Diet,” “Bodyopus,” and “Natural Hormonal Enhancement” for years (and yes, I read them, too). And I have used low carb diets a bit longer than you and most of the people on this thread. In addition to the books, I have also done numerous consultations with Poliquin, an advocate of DiPasquale’s diets. And, I have been reading this thread from the very beginning, which I do think is a very good thread, btw. So, I think I understand the basics of the diet. But according to IlCazzo, and now possibly you, I do not understand the diet. Yea, ok.
HouseOfAtlas agreed with me about the dropping calories and fat (which is contrary to what some feel). Why is noone telling him that he needs to go re-read?
[quote]TommyGunn wrote:
g.anagno wrote:
TommyGunn wrote:
One does go into ketosis on this diet, with refeeds on the weekends.
I think that’s what caused Il Cazzo’s fury and not the low fat thing.
And, man, if you really think that’s the story with the AD, then i have to agree with Il Cazzo about how much you understand the meaning of this diet.
You are not him, so how do you know what he thinks? Did he tell you? His unpleasant reply was directly in response to the decreasing fat post, which he is wrong about anyway.
I recommended to another to drop his calories and IlCazzo responds with his unpleasant comment, which was uncalled for. He does not know me nor know what I understand or fail to understand. Then I posted stuff directly from DiPasquale, which states [u]EXACTLY[/u] what I recommended. Was my advice wrong, as he contends? Not according to DiPasquale. Of course one needs to drop fat intake to drop calories. What else are you going to decrease? Carbs are already at <30g/day and you want to keep protein the same or even increase it.
I have owned “The Anabolic Diet” [bought it when it first came out from Optimum Training Systems in 1995 (I have their Bulgarian training books as well)],“The Metabolic Diet,” “The Anabolic Solution,” “The Ketogenic Diet,” “Bodyopus,” and “Natural Hormonal Enhancement” for years (and yes, I read them, too). And I have used low carb diets a bit longer than you and most of the people on this thread. In addition to the books, I have also done numerous consultations with Poliquin, an advocate of DiPasquale’s diets. And, I have been reading this thread from the very beginning, which I do think is a very good thread, btw. So, I think I understand the basics of the diet. But according to IlCazzo, and now possibly you, I do not understand the diet. Yea, ok.
HouseOfAtlas agreed with me about the dropping calories and fat (which is contrary to what some feel). Why is noone telling him that he needs to go re-read?[/quote]
Because people with real experience on the diet know that ketosis should be avoided and dropping fat is a no-no. And, this thread had 95 pages and a thousand posts before you decided to educate us, so maybe we’ll all be ok without your citing skills.
How would this diet work for women? I need to gain about 10 lbs of muscle and lose 3% BF. Would this work for me?
I think I may have just crashed but I’m not sure and want to hear from some more experienced people. I’ve already had my first carb-up (that was on Sat-Sun, today is Tues), and a majority of what I ate was clean.
Energy was pretty stable throughout the entire 12 day induction, only dipping slightly a couple of times. I went to workout today and was fine, but early afternoon I started to feel like shit. Not just a lack of energy, but I started to get pretty queasy as well.
I had to come home from work due to feeling on the verge of throwing up (which I later did), and because I felt weak, shaky, and extremely lethargic. I’m wondering if other people have experienced the metabolic shift after their first carbup, and whether anyone has had stomach problems in addition to the lethargy.
This probably wasn’t the best choice to do at the same time as starting the diet, but I also got some of the new HOT-ROX.
I’m not going to use it for a while, but I wanted to try it out today just to see the kind of energy it gave (too impatient just to let the unopened bottle sit there 
). I doubt it’s because of this, since I’ve used stimulants before, even ones with Yohimbine, and I was fine. Just a thought.