Guys,
I’ve been off the wagon, eating every kind of nastiness to be found, but I’m back. I’ve got a freezer full of meet and I’m ready to get serious again.
Go team AD!
-Conor
[quote]conorh wrote:
Guys,
I’ve been off the wagon, eating every kind of nastiness to be found, but I’m back. I’ve got a freezer full of meet and I’m ready to get serious again.
Go team AD!
-Conor[/quote]
Nice to see one of the thread old-timers. Would be nice if you shared with us your thoughts about AD while off the wagon (advantages, disadvantages, comparisons etc.)
As an experiment (I feel the need to be a guinea pig for my clients) I went on a high carb, moderate fat, moderate protein diet for ONE WEEK. (Look into Ellington Darden’s diet recommendations for what I did (I LOVE Ellington by the way, just not his diet protocol). I felt awful. Weak, tired and holding water. I felt like I was having an allergic reaction to the wheat (which was probably the case).
Now that I’m back, I feel much more “with it”, stronger and leaner. High carb sucks, period.
[quote]g.anagno wrote:
conorh wrote:
Guys,
I’ve been off the wagon, eating every kind of nastiness to be found, but I’m back. I’ve got a freezer full of meet and I’m ready to get serious again.
Go team AD!
-Conor
Nice to see one of the thread old-timers. Would be nice if you shared with us your thoughts about AD while off the wagon (advantages, disadvantages, comparisons etc.)[/quote]
It’s hard to say but I have the impression that the AD is only expensive compared to a diet of cheap convenience food (like I’ve been doing for a month or two).
I’m not sure how I’d compare results-wise because I’ve basically been eating the shittiest, least performance enhancing foods in the world lately and by comparison any well thought out eating plan would be better. Think “Dave Tate pre-Berardi”. The one saving grace is that I’ve added some serious weight to my big three the last couple months. I’m at a place where I feel my training is on track, now if I can just bring my eating back around I’ll have the whole package.
I definitely believe in the scientific and anecdotal merit of this way of eating, it’s just a matter of manning up and kicking out all the shit food.
If I come up with anything profound or useful to share, rest assured I’ll let y’all know.
And, out of curiousity, where’s that Disc Hoss guy?
[quote]derek wrote:
High carb sucks, period. [/quote]
I agree. I know that when Saturday comes around, I’ll be ordering a medium sized Papa Johns pizza. I won’t get a large, because I know right now that I will get sick of the pizza within 10 minutes.
[quote]conorh wrote:
It’s hard to say but I have the impression that the AD is only expensive compared to a diet of cheap convenience food (like I’ve been doing for a month or two).
I’m not sure how I’d compare results-wise because I’ve basically been eating the shittiest, least performance enhancing foods in the world lately and by comparison any well thought out eating plan would be better. Think “Dave Tate pre-Berardi”. The one saving grace is that I’ve added some serious weight to my big three the last couple months. I’m at a place where I feel my training is on track, now if I can just bring my eating back around I’ll have the whole package.
I definitely believe in the scientific and anecdotal merit of this way of eating, it’s just a matter of manning up and kicking out all the shit food.
If I come up with anything profound or useful to share, rest assured I’ll let y’all know.
And, out of curiousity, where’s that Disc Hoss guy?[/quote]
Not sure where DH is at.
Also, welcome back to the “good” side of dieting 
I think you are right about the expensiveness of this diet and it depends on what type of foods you get. I don’t eat steak much for my protein, mostly eggs and chicken. Eggs are almost just as cheap as some cheap whey protein. The good chicken can be a bit expensive, but nothing like buying steak.
Of course, if someone just eats oatmeal and wheat bread for their carbs (if on another diet), that stuff is pretty cheap.
But, in the end, I don’t think any other diet can compare to the AD.
day 5 and i feel way better already, yesterday sucked and i was dragging all day, today i feel extremely refreshed and i had a killer workout. did my body crash? any AD vets give me a little more insight on what the body crash entails? i seriously feel like a brand new person today, way better than the past 5 days…
Hmmmm…
I’m not a vet on the AD, but maybe your body already made the “change”. Even though I wouldn’t stop now, it’s possible that it made the change or your body is getting used to it.
I felt great the first 6-7 days, then got a slight headache 2 days in a row after day 7, and today was alright and I had a killer workout, also.
The body does weird things, huh?
hey guys,
today was kind of an off day, but i will get right back on track tomorrow. i went a little high on the carbs(still less than 50 g) but tomorrow will be better. i think iv already had my crash, that woulda been 2 days ago. ya, i dont drink a ton of water, so i must be really losing fat then on my stomach.
im exercising more as well. i have juco football practice from 4-6 m-thr. 4-5 we lift(mon: bench, tues: squats/lunges, wed: military press/upright rows, thurs: cleans, shrugs), then im on my last week of the ultimate tricep program, and after that i will be doing total body workouts 4x a week. so im getting more exercising which should hopefully translate to me losing more body fat!
keep strong guys!
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
Hmmmm…
I’m not a vet on the AD, but maybe your body already made the “change”. Even though I wouldn’t stop now, it’s possible that it made the change or your body is getting used to it.
I felt great the first 6-7 days, then got a slight headache 2 days in a row after day 7, and today was alright and I had a killer workout, also.
The body does weird things, huh? :)[/quote]
im definitely not going to stop yet, i talked to my friend who did atkins for a year, and he said the change for him was in week 2. i know its not exactly the same, but its very similar. either way im seeing results already and cant wait to see what happens in the future.
[quote]Ballin4Christ32 wrote:
hey guys,
today was kind of an off day, but i will get right back on track tomorrow. i went a little high on the carbs(still less than 50 g) but tomorrow will be better. i think iv already had my crash, that woulda been 2 days ago. ya, i dont drink a ton of water, so i must be really losing fat then on my stomach.
im exercising more as well. i have juco football practice from 4-6 m-thr. 4-5 we lift(mon: bench, tues: squats/lunges, wed: military press/upright rows, thurs: cleans, shrugs), then im on my last week of the ultimate tricep program, and after that i will be doing total body workouts 4x a week. so im getting more exercising which should hopefully translate to me losing more body fat!
keep strong guys![/quote]
B4C2,
Just a heads up. Drinking water and losing water weight aren’t necessarily correlated. Each carbohydrate molecule already in your body holds 3 water molecules and when that CHO is expended as energy it releases the water molecules. Because the water now has nothing to bind to it, because we don’t have a lot of CHO on the AD, the water is then released through the urine. At least from what I understand that’s the way it goes.
Also, on the water front. There was an excellent quote from our friend Derek:
“Drinking a gallon per day and more in many cases will help both maintain an anabolic envrironment within the muscles, but also signal the body to release the subcutaneous (under skin) water storage. You end up with full, hard muscles and thinner skin.”
So with this diet . . . drink lots of water.
Sasha
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
Hmmmm…
I’m not a vet on the AD, but maybe your body already made the “change”. Even though I wouldn’t stop now, it’s possible that it made the change or your body is getting used to it.
I felt great the first 6-7 days, then got a slight headache 2 days in a row after day 7, and today was alright and I had a killer workout, also.
The body does weird things, huh? :)[/quote]
Not to harp and I mean this just to be of help but I don’t believe that his body has made the shift from CHO burning to fat burning as of yet. The crash isn’t an indication of a metabolic shift but rather an indication that your body is lacking in CHOs and needs more to function. The fact that you crashed actually means that your body is still looking for carbs to function. Stick with the full 12 days . . . it’s a pain but worth it.
Keep it up all . . . glad to see the support flowing!
Cheers.
Sasha
Question for the vets.
I’m on my 4th week of the AD and have been noticing that I get that “fruity” ketone taste in my mouth on the 4th and 5th day of low carb eating.
Because ketosis is clearly not the goal of this diet I’m worried that I may be dipping in and out of ketosis rather than making the shift to fat burning.
I’ve been very strict in following this diet but I was wondering if this is a shared experience or am I off track.
Thanks.
Sasha
I have a question about Gout and this diet. Does it increase the symptoms of already present gout?
From Marcus Jones MD on this site…
“Although there are many other protein-derived toxins, the last one I’ll discuss is uric acid. This chemical is the culprit in gout (you know?the “swollen, red big toe” disease). Anyway, uric acid can also get deposited in the kidneys as crystals, which cause poor function, damage, and occasionally, in those predisposed, kidney stones.”
Our protein amounts do NOT need to be much higher (or even AS high in some cases) as with other, carb-based diets. I’d suppose if one were predisposed for gout, then there’s always a chance. But then again, there would be with other healthy diets.
I remember the subject of gout coming up way back in this thread. I’ll look to see if I can find it.
The venerable DH again…
As far as protein amounts/gout…
“The AD is very protein sparring and you can easily get by with even 1g/lb. Different animal than being a carb burner as these poor folks are always on the brink of the body breaking down muscle for gluconeogenesis.”
As far as ketones…
“With the AD, glycogen stays in the muscle longer and you use fatty acids to get your energy. This is not a ketogenic diet as everyone assumes. Once you full adapt you will be using FA’s for your body fuel. Should be no ketones in your urine within 6 weeks or less.”
Regarding gout, remembering I’m no Doc:
Hyperuricemia becomes symptomatic when the uric acid forms crystals, and it generally does this where the solubility is lowest, namely a cold, distal joint, the big toe. So, sometimes a hot soak when you feel an attack coming on can provide relief. Also, anything which improves peripheral circulation can help; cardiovascular exercise, MUFA’s, EPA/DHA, etc.
There may also be a tie to uric acid levels with fructose intake and iron levels.
Go to Google Scholar and type in “gout” you’ll find some great articles. There’s one called “Pathogenesis of Gout” which is awesome. I think it’s from the Annals of Internal Medicine.
Also, I know the uric acid/metabolic syndrome/fructose connection can be found on the Journal of Applied Physiology if you poke around a little bit.
I’ve got some more articles, but it’s been a while since I read up on gout.
thanx sasha. ill drink more water!
[quote]SashaG wrote:
Not to harp and I mean this just to be of help but I don’t believe that his body has made the shift from CHO burning to fat burning as of yet. The crash isn’t an indication of a metabolic shift but rather an indication that your body is lacking in CHOs and needs more to function. The fact that you crashed actually means that your body is still looking for carbs to function. Stick with the full 12 days . . . it’s a pain but worth it.
Keep it up all . . . glad to see the support flowing!
Cheers.
Sasha
[/quote]
I agree that people should stick with the 12 days. I’m just going by what Dr. Mauro said. He wrote that a study was done and the “metabolic change” can take place in 5 days. BUT, Dr. Mauro still recommends going the full 12 days.
He stating not to over shoot calories and get above 15% body fat, but that number is seperate from his calories estimate number.
In order to estimate your caloric needs for building muscle, one needs to take their current weight and add 15% of that weight.
That is, 100kg X 1.15 (added 15%)=115kg
Let’s do this the American way however:
200 lbs X 1.15 = 230lbs to calculate calories to gain mass…so now using his formula you have 20kcal/lb x 230lb = 4600kcal in order to gain some muscle.
[quote]Kliplemet wrote:
originally posted by Mauro Di Pasquale:
Nutrition for the Mass Phase
This phase is similar to the “bulking up” phase most powerlifters are familiar with. As usual, you’ll be increasing your calorie intake. On the Metabolic Diet, your goal should be to ALLOW YOUR BODY WEIGHT TO INCREASE TO UP TO 10 AND MAYBE AS HIGH AS 15 PERCENT ABOVE YOUR PRESENT WEIGHT OR ALTERNATIVELY, THE BODYWEIGHT CLASS YOU WANT TO COMPETE IN. For example if you?re competing in the 100 kg or 220 lb class you?ll want to aim for a bodyweight of 110 to 115 kg or 240 to 250 lbs.
i don’t get it, is he saying the example lifter he uses is gonna pack on 20 to 30 lbs of fat? yet he says you should stay below 15% bf
is he saying gain 20-30 lbs extra muscle and lose it again???
what the hell…
so if i weigh ~80kg right now and i want to compete next comp in the 85kg, i need to eat 4675 calories according to the book!!!
not only that, i should also let my bw go to about 95kg (while the weight class following the 85 is the 94…) and then go back to 85 kg, all while never breaking 15% bf…
WTF[/quote]
When he is talking about starting the “bulking” stage (for bodybuilders), I believe he recommends that you should be below 10% bodyfat. I’m guessing maybe 7-8%. So, if you are 8% (just for an example)you keep gaining (bulking) until you are 15%, even up to 20%. That is when you should start cutting again.
Just my $0.02