My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
2202

[quote]SashaG wrote:
Question for the vets.

I’m on my 4th week of the AD and have been noticing that I get that “fruity” ketone taste in my mouth on the 4th and 5th day of low carb eating.

Because ketosis is clearly not the goal of this diet I’m worried that I may be dipping in and out of ketosis rather than making the shift to fat burning.

I’ve been very strict in following this diet but I was wondering if this is a shared experience or am I off track.

Thanks.

Sasha

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When hovering over ketosis and play around its limit, it is absolutely natural IMO to cross the border for a little while sometimes, especially during the first period on the AD when your body is not yet fine tuned for fat burning.

I also think that when breaking down triglycerides for energy, some ketone bodies are always produced, but they’re not in such amount to become the main energy source.

2203

A little something I found lurking in my documents. From Dr. Steven Joyal:

"So what about saturated fats ? How does myristic, palmitic, or stearic acid affect lipid metabolism ? Are all saturated fats bad for us or increase total cholesterol and/or LDL levels?

Well, there’s evidence to suggest that stearic acid is neutral compared to both myristic and palmitic acid in terms of elevating cholesterol; e.g., serum total, esterified and LDL cholesterol were all significantly lower depending on which of these fatty acids are ingested. There are a number of interesting studies in the literature that support this data. One such study supplemented subjects’ diets with synthetic forms of different saturated fatty acids to determine the effects on serum cholesterol (Snook JT; Park S; Williams G; Tsai Y-H; Lee N. Effect of synthetic triglycerides of myristic, palmitic, and stearic acid on serum lipoprotein metabolism. Eur J Clin Nutr 1999 Aug;53(8):597-605)

In fact, stearic acid is poorly incorporated into VLDL as compared to palmitic or myristic acid(s), and is even poorly incorporated as compared to oleic acid ! (Pai T; Yeh YY.
Stearic acid modifies very low density lipoprotein lipid composition and particle size differently from shorter-chain saturated fatty acids in cultured rat hepatocytes. Lipids 1997 Feb;32(2))

The bottom line : the major cholesterol-raising saturated fatty acid in the diet is palmitic acid, and, in fact, there is evidence to suggest that stearic acid is quickly converted into a mono-unsaturated fatty acid in vivo, and thus, the real culprit in terms of saturated fatty acids and their respective negative effects on cholesterol are due to
palmitic acid, and not stearic acid.(Grundy SM, Denke MA. Dietary influences on serum lipids and lipoproteins. J Lipid Res 1990 Jul;31(7):1149-72)

[Editors Note: Guess which fat the body produces from excess carbohydrates? If you  guessed palmitate, you go to the head of the class! The reason why the high carb low fat studies above found negative blood lipid changes from higher carb intakes as opposed to lower carb moderate fat intakes?]

In addition, the media has blitzed the public at large about the “evils” of saturated fats in the diet . However, there is epidemiological evidence to support that if saturated fats were significantly reduced from the diet (8-10% saturated fat diet), this change would only increase life expectancy by several months! (Grover SA, et al. Life expectancy following dietary modification or smoking cessation. Estimating the benefits of a prudent lifestyle. Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 8;154(15):1697-704). Considering how vilified the
media and other groups have made saturated fats over the past few decades, this is not very impressive to say the least.

So, what does it all mean ?

Don’t fall for the hype from the mega-carb gurus who view all fats as an evil enemy sure to ruin your health. It is simply not true and is far more complex than the high carb low fat gurus want us to believe."

2204

it was wonderful to hear from mr hoss after a long time i think we all ADERS must really thanx him for his help which he offers us all the time with great information by the way all my ad freinds here is a very intresting site by a guy who has done extensive research abt low carb diet and how high carb low fat diet can be dangerous and downslide for a bodybuilder or a power lifter he also exposed some typical myths which we are made to belive abt cholestoral ldl and hdl stuff pls try and check this site its worth spending time there
www.theomnivore.com/home.html

hope u guys are doing great and enjoying our lifestlye till then enjoy ur bacon eggs butter and meat and veggies and train hard-raviraj

2205

[quote]raviraj wrote:
it was wonderful to hear from mr hoss after a long time i think we all ADERS must really thanx him for his help which he offers us all the time with great information by the way all my ad freinds here is a very intresting site by a guy who has done extensive research abt low carb diet and how high carb low fat diet can be dangerous and downslide for a bodybuilder or a power lifter he also exposed some typical myths which we are made to belive abt cholestoral ldl and hdl stuff pls try and check this site its worth spending time there
www.theomnivore.com/home.html

hope u guys are doing great and enjoying our lifestlye till then enjoy ur bacon eggs butter and meat and veggies and train hard-raviraj[/quote]

For real, definitely good to see the Hoss back around.

2206

Just thought I’d post something about my 13 days of initiation.

It wasn’t that bad to go that long without carb meals. When I thought about what the end result will be, it is pretty easy to keep your will power. I got some headaches, but nothing terrible.

I actually dropped 3-4 pounds over the past 2 weeks (my scale isn’t that acurate) while on a 4,000+ calorie diet. My diet before was almost 3,000, so eating a lot more calories and dropping weight seems like a good thing. Even though some of it (if not all) was water weight, it’s still neat to see that while eating a higher calorie diet that I lost some weight.

Also, I did very little cardio and took no fat burning supplements. I supplemented with Tongkat Ali, along with some whey and some casein (only 1/2 scoop - 1 scoop per meal, the rest of my protein came from real foods) and a multi. That is about it.

I’ll be dropping about 600 calories per day (eating less egg yolks and less almonds), so hopefully I’ll be able to drop 1 1/2 - 2 pounds per week until I had 185. I should be pretty lean by then.

Just thought I’d share :slight_smile:

2207

[quote]g.anagno wrote:
When hovering over ketosis and play around its limit, it is absolutely natural IMO to cross the border for a little while sometimes, especially during the first period on the AD when your body is not yet fine tuned for fat burning.

I also think that when breaking down triglycerides for energy, some ketone bodies are always produced, but they’re not in such amount to become the main energy source.[/quote]

Cheers g.anagno . . . i figured that it was the case but I wanted to pose the question just in case.

Also, DH, great to have you back on the thread . . . truly a legend.

Sasha

2208

Day 7 and i feel incredible compared to the first 5 days. I really think my body made the transition because i have followed the diet very closely, and i am now feeling better every day. Day 1 - 5 was hard, but nothing that anyone cant handle. i am going to go 14 days low carb just to ensure that i have made the “switch”.

I am taking HOT-ROX Extreme while on this diet and there is already a noticable difference in the fat on my stomach. anyone thinking about starting this diet should definitely jump on the bandwagon.

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Congrats Casey :slight_smile:

I’ll probably take HOT-ROX in a few weeks or so. I want to see how well one can do on the AD without any fat burning supplements. It will be good “selling” point when trying to convince others that a diet can work without a supplement.

2210

[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
Congrats Casey :slight_smile:

I’ll probably take HOT-ROX in a few weeks or so. I want to see how well one can do on the AD without any fat burning supplements. It will be good “selling” point when trying to convince others that a diet can work without a supplement.
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thanks!

i thought about doing the same, but i just couldnt wait to take the HOT-ROX, i only take 1 a day usually so im sure if its doing something it is minimal compared to the effects of the diet.

2211

I just got my copy of the diet and I am pretty excited about getting started. I have been low carb basically for the past three weeks, well not this low but under 150 g normally around 80-100g, I dont think I should have too difficult of a time in the break-in period.

I figure this diet starts tomorrow since I have already had 4 apples and a bowl of oatmeal today!

~Snoop

2212

I look at fatburners as a way of supercharging your diet, if you are looking for fat loss. I’m trying to put on muscle mass while losing weight, which is supposed to be tough, but I have so much fat to lose that dropping fat lbs while eating 300+ grams of protein a day doesn’t seem that difficult.

Good luck!

[quote]toughcasey wrote:
HouseOfAtlas wrote:
Congrats Casey :slight_smile:

I’ll probably take HOT-ROX in a few weeks or so. I want to see how well one can do on the AD without any fat burning supplements. It will be good “selling” point when trying to convince others that a diet can work without a supplement.

thanks!

i thought about doing the same, but i just couldnt wait to take the HOT-ROX, i only take 1 a day usually so im sure if its doing something it is minimal compared to the effects of the diet.[/quote]

2213

Sorry if this has been asked before on this thread…but given that it is HUGE and I probably missed it I will ask again…

Should I count Surge carbs in my daily totals? I ask this becuase there is a lot of talk about how PWO nutrition doesnt really count against you… I suppose I should leave the stuff out altogher during my 12 day break in.

Thanks! Snoop

2214

Snoop - I would leave it out.

You should have a maximum of 30g of carbs. If you are eating 5-6 meals a day, that would be about 5g of carbs per meal. That’s it. Of course you don’t count fiber as carbs, but 30g isn’t much at all.

Just my $0.03 :slight_smile:

2215

[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
Snoop - I would leave it out.

You should have a maximum of 30g of carbs. If you are eating 5-6 meals a day, that would be about 5g of carbs per meal. That’s it. Of course you don’t count fiber as carbs, but 30g isn’t much at all.

Just my $0.03 :)[/quote]

Thanks House; I figured as much but I thought it would be best to ask!

2216

After the 12 day initiation, you could probably start taking it. Dr. Mauro says that after 2 weeks, if you fell really tired all the time, that you should up your carb intake during the week. You should add another 30g of carbs per day and do the experiement for 2 more weeks, then see how you feel.

He also recommends that you take in a mixture of low/high glycemic carbs after a workout (if you absolutely need them) and do not have carbs before your workout (Doctor’s orders LOL)

Some of Dr.Mauro’s athletes take over 100g/day. Others stay right at 30g. You just don’t want to have carbs if you don’t need them. After the first two weeks, if you feel fine at 30g, you should stick with that.

Personally, during the first two weeks, I felt alright. Sometimes I got a slight headache towards bedtime, but that is about it.

Good luck! :slight_smile:

2217

i started the AD today. surprisingly, i felt like i had alot of energy, quite the opposite of what i was expecting. i went through my conditioning this morning normally without any problems. im also sticking very rougly with the Precision Nutrition habits, basically meaning im just eating some vegetables with each meal.

so far i feel great, though i am fully expecting the “crash”. i do think i will adapt fairly well however as ive been eating low-carb for awhile now, though never to this extreme.

the only problem im having so far is with the whey powder. mine has 3g of carbs a scoop and i usually use about 6 scoops daily. obviously i can still stick to the carb limit, but it will be much easier once the 1g carb/scoop powder i ordered comes.

wish me luck guys, i wish you all the same :slight_smile:

2218

[quote]ZachDelDesert wrote:
i started the AD today. surprisingly, i felt like i had alot of energy, quite the opposite of what i was expecting. i went through my conditioning this morning normally without any problems. im also sticking very rougly with the Precision Nutrition habits, basically meaning im just eating some vegetables with each meal.

so far i feel great, though i am fully expecting the “crash”. i do think i will adapt fairly well however as ive been eating low-carb for awhile now, though never to this extreme.

the only problem im having so far is with the whey powder. mine has 3g of carbs a scoop and i usually use about 6 scoops daily. obviously i can still stick to the carb limit, but it will be much easier once the 1g carb/scoop powder i ordered comes.

wish me luck guys, i wish you all the same :)[/quote]

good luck! keep us updated…

i did my first carb up weekend this weekend, and i cant wait till tomorrow, the high carbs make me feel soft and i go through sleepy spells.

2219

[quote]ZachDelDesert wrote:
i started the AD today. surprisingly, i felt like i had alot of energy, quite the opposite of what i was expecting. i went through my conditioning this morning normally without any problems. im also sticking very rougly with the Precision Nutrition habits, basically meaning im just eating some vegetables with each meal.

so far i feel great, though i am fully expecting the “crash”. i do think i will adapt fairly well however as ive been eating low-carb for awhile now, though never to this extreme.

the only problem im having so far is with the whey powder. mine has 3g of carbs a scoop and i usually use about 6 scoops daily. obviously i can still stick to the carb limit, but it will be much easier once the 1g carb/scoop powder i ordered comes.

wish me luck guys, i wish you all the same :)[/quote]

Welcome to the AD side :slight_smile:

The first few days you might feel really good. Since you said you didn’t many carbs in the past, you might be fine. But, when coming from a high carb/high protein to a very low carb/high protein diet, that is where the crash might hit someone hard.

About the protein thing. If your other protein sources have very little carbs, I wouldn’t worry about it. If you go over 30g (like 31g or 32g), it’s not going to kill you or wreck it. You could always eat more chicken or have more eggs and cut down on the protein powder. Just a thought.

Again, welcome :slight_smile:

2220

[quote]toughcasey wrote:
i did my first carb up weekend this weekend, and i cant wait till tomorrow, the high carbs make me feel soft and i go through sleepy spells. [/quote]

Same here. I had mostly oatmeal, pizza, milk, some fruit, organic mini wheats and a few rice crispie bars with lots of water.

I’ll probably start eating the Anabolic way tonight instead of any more carbs and have a lot better carb up next weekend. Just had to get this one out of the way because it was a long 13 days.

Keep it up, guys! :slight_smile:

2221

[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
After the 12 day initiation, you could probably start taking it. Dr. Mauro says that after 2 weeks, if you fell really tired all the time, that you should up your carb intake during the week. You should add another 30g of carbs per day and do the experiement for 2 more weeks, then see how you feel.

He also recommends that you take in a mixture of low/high glycemic carbs after a workout (if you absolutely need them) and do not have carbs before your workout (Doctor’s orders LOL)

Some of Dr.Mauro’s athletes take over 100g/day. Others stay right at 30g. You just don’t want to have carbs if you don’t need them. After the first two weeks, if you feel fine at 30g, you should stick with that.

Personally, during the first two weeks, I felt alright. Sometimes I got a slight headache towards bedtime, but that is about it.

Good luck! :)[/quote]

Hey all,

It’s so great to see so many new folks adopting this way of eating . . . believe me . . . I’m over a month in and am loving it.

On the carb manipulation point brought up by House . . . based on what’s been written on this thread and the literature produced by Dr. DiPasquale I would highly suggest not straying off the allocated 30 grams for the first 3-4 months. It gets better as you go along and it seems that although some make the transition to fat burning early in the program, it takes some up to 3-4 months to fully make the transition based on your history.

Surge is a no go for now as it’ nearly impossible to eliminate all other carbs throughout the day.

A couple of other tips on this diet I’ve picked up so far:

  • Moderate your caffeine intake. Your sensitivity improves on this diet so the energy rushes are greater, but the crashes are worse. I find that if you’re really dragging ass, you need more fat in your diet. Up the EFAs and drink more water.
  • Don’t worry so much about post-workout nutrition. The lifestyle is extremely carb and protein sparing so you do not need to manipulate insulin to replenish energy supplies and protein delivery. Dave Barr has an excellent piece on PWO myths debunked . . . give it a search.

Again, great to see so many joining the new AD army!

Cheers.

Sasha