We were called “dated” by somone in another thread. Apparently, the AD isn’t that good…I guess all this success was just in my head.
We’re dated alright. Clear back to Vince Gironda who thought this up. Of course he also came up with things like rotating rep ranges for growth (conjugate periodization), training a bodypart from 3-6x per week with limited volume and a necessary load (Energetic theory of Muscle growth and much of Chad Waterbury’s stuff.) Oh and that little saying “more work in less time equals quality muscle growth.” Better know again as Energetic theory and applied as EDT. Oh and eating protein every 2-3 hours in small doses and…
The date doesn’t matter, the effects do. Nothing can match the AD. Nothing. IC, just keep pluggin’ old man.
Tirade over (for now)
DH
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
We were called “dated” by somone in another thread. Apparently, the AD isn’t that good…I guess all this success was just in my head.[/quote]
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
We’re dated alright. Clear back to Vince Gironda who thought this up. Of course he also came up with things like rotating rep ranges for growth (conjugate periodization), training a bodypart from 3-6x per week with limited volume and a necessary load (Energetic theory of Muscle growth and much of Chad Waterbury’s stuff.) Oh and that little saying “more work in less time equals quality muscle growth.” Better know again as Energetic theory and applied as EDT. Oh and eating protein every 2-3 hours in small doses and…
The date doesn’t matter, the effects do. Nothing can match the AD. Nothing. IC, just keep pluggin’ old man.
Tirade over (for now)
DH
IL Cazzo wrote:
We were called “dated” by somone in another thread. Apparently, the AD isn’t that good…I guess all this success was just in my head.
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I’ll take “dated” the truely natural bodybuilders of old were a hell of a lot stronger and bigger than the “natural” body builders today, with all the supplements at hand. Whole body multiple times a week ~ Dated right? Oh that is right it is making a comeback… 
Ya know Cazzo about the ‘dated’ thing. As a young lad of 15 I sent in for a personalized training program from Larry Scott. It was solid. Squats, Deadlifts, Benches and along with it he laid out a diet plan. It was the Anabolic Diet nearly to the letter. Think about the diet of the plains Indian before the white man came. Anabolic Diet. No bread on the plains in those days and the stories of these Indians strength and stamina are legendary.
As for the question about what training day is best after the carb up. I carb up Friday night about 7:00 pm and a Saturday workout is awesome and it carries over to Monday. By Tuesday the surge of glycogen is gone and its back to normal.
Barry
I agree about the dated thing. I was being sarcastic. It just cracks me up sometimes…I really feel that much of what we do today is just fancier versions of what guys did in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. But, basic doesn’t sell usually…and there are only so many ways you can spice up heavy, basic training and the AD style of eating.
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
We’re dated alright. Clear back to Vince Gironda who thought this up. Of course he also came up with things like rotating rep ranges for growth (conjugate periodization), training a bodypart from 3-6x per week with limited volume and a necessary load (Energetic theory of Muscle growth and much of Chad Waterbury’s stuff.) Oh and that little saying “more work in less time equals quality muscle growth.” Better know again as Energetic theory and applied as EDT. Oh and eating protein every 2-3 hours in small doses and…
The date doesn’t matter, the effects do. Nothing can match the AD. Nothing. IC, just keep pluggin’ old man.
Tirade over (for now)
DH
IL Cazzo wrote:
We were called “dated” by somone in another thread. Apparently, the AD isn’t that good…I guess all this success was just in my head.
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Gironda, eh? No Kidding! You learn something every day.
This diet has been a blessing for me because when I diet, I don’t nessesarily crave carby stuff, but the full fat beef, pork, cream in my coffee, etc. I’m at day 6 of the shift phase and it’s very surprising to me how jacked up my energy levels are…and constant. I kinda WANT to crash like the others have said so that I know that I’ve had the shift. Thanks for all you input DH and IC.
Anvil
-my “eh’s” are part of my Canadian heritage, and they use them all wrong on the Simpsons.
[quote]HumanAnvil wrote:
I kinda WANT to crash like the others have said so that I know that I’ve had the shift.
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I second this, I’m really starting to want to crash.
Careful what you wish for!
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
HumanAnvil wrote:
I kinda WANT to crash like the others have said so that I know that I’ve had the shift.
I second this, I’m really starting to want to crash.
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I had a mild crash yesterday while playing golf, but I don’t think it was a metabolic shift, plust it’s far too early. This is only my third day. In any event, we were rounding to the back nine and I felt soooo tired. I was closing my eyes for like 3-5 seconds at a time trying to stay awake. Then about 20 minutes later I felt groggy but ok. Besides that, my energy has been really stable these past three days. I kind of like it, no yawning or feeling like i’m gonna jump out of my skin if I don’t go do something. Just nice easy energy.
V
[quote]mdragon wrote:
Careful what you wish for!
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I just might get it! It’s easy to be this eager three days in, I know. I am interested too though, from a student’s point of view, what will happen to my body during these next two weeks; what it will feel like etc. We’ll just have to wait and see I guess.
Fellow T-men,
I tried something similar to this AD a couple of years ago (it was outlined in a book called Protein Power - recommended by my endocrinologist) to get my cholesterol and triglycerides under control. Boy did it work wonders for the blood lipids. Cholesterol went from 315 to 212 and triglycerides from 312 to 126 in only six weeks. The first 2-3 weeks were a bit rough, but after that, I had very high energy and perfectly level blood sugar. I lost 20 lbs of fat and still gained strength at the same time. I was shocked at this.
After devouring this thread (one of the best ever on T-mag!) I see I was missing an important component - the weekend carb-up. The dietary monotony of very low carbs finally broke me after about 6 months.
Well, now that I see the error of my ways with not cycling carbs in periodically, I’m going back to what works. I had the blood work done this morning to get a good baseline on a few things. I also had them check T levels in addition to the lipids so I can measure how the AD affects it. I’ve got to do some meal planning and shopping and I’ll get started in a few days. Thanks to all of those who have been sharing their experience and menus on this thread - much appreciated!
FYI: Just to let everyone know (in case you didn’t know already), there’s a great fiber supplement called “Colon Cleanse” that has 6g fiber/tbsp and 0 net carbs. There’s even a “Super” version. It’s readily available at most grocery stores, or even GNC.
Sorry folks - I forgot something in my previous post…
Can some of you experienced AD’ers out there advise me on pre/post workout nutrition with respect to the AD? I workout mornings about 1 hour after waking. I have typically used Surge or my own hydro-whey mixture as “breakfast” before the workout and then again after. What should my breakfast look like considering it will also be my pre-workout meal? What about post-workout? What works best for you guys?
This thread really has me wanting to give this another shot. I’m interested in losing fat and staying strong for grappling. How is sports performance while on this diet? It looks like it may take a hit up front but then I’ll be good. I’m asking in terms of endurance for a BJJ match or wrestling match.
Ok experienced ADrs I’ve been toying with the idea of weather it might be beneficial to do a mini carb up during the week and along with the weekend carb up. That way I’ll do Thurs night through Saturday morning and Train Sunday then Train again on Tuesday and do a night time carb up on Wednesday and train again on Thursday. Would this be beneficial? Maybe I’m trying to get too much of a good thing here. I just know my goals are different as a strength trainee than those from a bodybuilder.
I don’t care about the “cuts” I care about absolute strength and athletic ability. I know that I have not even gotten to my first carb up yet but…always thinking of how to improve.
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
mdragon wrote:
Careful what you wish for!
I just might get it! It’s easy to be this eager three days in, I know. I am interested too though, from a student’s point of view, what will happen to my body during these next two weeks; what it will feel like etc. We’ll just have to wait and see I guess.[/quote]
I know exactly how you feel about being a student.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
I had a mild crash yesterday while playing golf, but I don’t think it was a metabolic shift, plust it’s far too early. This is only my third day. In any event, we were rounding to the back nine and I felt soooo tired. I was closing my eyes for like 3-5 seconds at a time trying to stay awake. Then about 20 minutes later I felt groggy but ok. Besides that, my energy has been really stable these past three days. I kind of like it, no yawning or feeling like i’m gonna jump out of my skin if I don’t go do something. Just nice easy energy.
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I felt the same way until day 8. I was getting cocky and saying this is awesome then boom! You may not crash but if you do you’ll know it. I’m feeling a little better now. This is day 11 for me.
Hey mdragon,
I’ve tried this exact thing. This was after about 8-9 months on the AD and I was teaching spinning classes. (I know, I know but the classes were full of women in fine shape and somebody had to do it!) So I tried a midweek mini carbload. It was basically a meal of bagels (Einstien close by) about 2 hrs. before the spin class.
Weird thing was I had more energy on the pure AD than with this mid week carb spike. In the original book I believe Dr. D talks about adding a mid week spike every now and then. However I would try the pure diet out for at least 90 to 120 days to get a true test drive before you tweak it any.
Post workout: Jerky or a Cheeseburger without the bun or the choice of champions- Little Smokies. Something about fat laden animal parts does a body good.
Pre workout: In the morning, eggs and or bacon. I used to live by this greasy spoon truck stop and when you ordered a side of bacon they cooked up a whole pound and slapped it on the table on a plate. That will give you some serious fuel for fighting the iron. Keep us posted on your test levels when you get them checked. That would be a great addition to the thread.
Barry
[quote]Scrappy wrote:
This thread really has me wanting to give this another shot. I’m interested in losing fat and staying strong for grappling. How is sports performance while on this diet? It looks like it may take a hit up front but then I’ll be good. I’m asking in terms of endurance for a BJJ match or wrestling match.[/quote]
I’d think you can’t find a better diet for cutting wt. for wrestling. Your energy will be way up especially compared to spitting all day and getting rolled up in the mat with a rubber suit on.
Barry
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
mdragon wrote:
Careful what you wish for!
I just might get it! It’s easy to be this eager three days in, I know. I am interested too though, from a student’s point of view, what will happen to my body during these next two weeks; what it will feel like etc. We’ll just have to wait and see I guess.[/quote]
You might not have a rough transition but still be aware what is happening when it happens. 3-4 guys I have lifted with have gotten to the 12-13 day mark and just lost it. You couldn’t convince them that this was what they were looking for. Especially when they were being outbenched by 220 lb. housewives. Once you are past the rough spot, smooth sailing.
Not quite a dbol stack but as close as a man can get without the painful track marks. I think you will be very surprised/pleased with the surge/pump you get after the carb loads. Plus the ability to gain muscle and lose fat and gain strength without hunger, just can’t beat it.
Barry