My Experience On the Anabolic Diet Part III

Nutrition
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Hi all

I have been on AD for 4 weeks now, weight loss is good, enjoying the foods, but come carb up time, about 30 minutes after eating I feel very weak, trembly, and tired, almost like back when i started low carb, I have tried sticking to fruit, oats, starchy veg etc, but I get the same. So on my heaviest weight training day afetr carbs I actually feel worse, weaker with very little motivation, the opposite of what I thought i should feel after carb up.

PS - in case it helps - I’m 5"2, 54kg, on 6000KJ weekdays with 60% fat, 35% pro & 5% carb, all tracked on fitday, been training for a few years.

what would be your suggestions???

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[quote]SashaG wrote:
No carbs in JuicePlus, their capsules, and the manner in which they are manufactured ensures that none of the powerful antioxidants are oxidized . . . this is a huge issue with the GNC brand. I would also up your fish oils as well until your HDL / LDL balance improves.

Cheers,
Sasha

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Ah! pills, ok. Sounds good it will go find some this weekend. So far I have been eating my greens with almost every meal. I eat mostly broccoli. I can use more fish oil easily too. I’ll just do 2 caps like 3-4 times a day with meals. I have been light on them because if I eat actual fish, I throw up. I think I’m allergic in some way. I will slowly up the fish oil and see what happens. Thanks for the help sir!

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[quote]plasticglock wrote:

[quote]SashaG wrote:
No carbs in JuicePlus, their capsules, and the manner in which they are manufactured ensures that none of the powerful antioxidants are oxidized . . . this is a huge issue with the GNC brand. I would also up your fish oils as well until your HDL / LDL balance improves.

Cheers,
Sasha

[/quote]

Ah! pills, ok. Sounds good it will go find some this weekend. So far I have been eating my greens with almost every meal. I eat mostly broccoli. I can use more fish oil easily too. I’ll just do 2 caps like 3-4 times a day with meals. I have been light on them because if I eat actual fish, I throw up. I think I’m allergic in some way. I will slowly up the fish oil and see what happens. Thanks for the help sir![/quote]

If you have troubles with fish oil you may want to try krill oil as it’s an even more potent source . . . although if you have a shellfish allergy stay clear.

Cheers,
Sasha

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My first refeed is tomorrow. I am not sure what to do. I did the induction phase as recommended. BW x18 in cals. I am fully fat adapted now. Since I am fat adapted and want to drop a few pounds of fat I am going to decrease my cals by 500 for the next week.

I am still undecided how to do my refeed tomorrow. I know I am not going to do more than a 1 day refeed. I am debating between doing a healthy carbup for the entire day. Keeping my cal total isocaloric with my weekday total (3600). Most of my meals would probably be oatmeal, protein powder, and a TBSP of peanut butter mixed in or something similar. My other option I have thought of was just keeping my diet normal and just having a giant cheat meal. I am not sure if I could get away with this though since I know I could take in at least 2000 cals on this meal, but maybe I would be so insulin sensitive by that time my metabolism would burn it all and glycogen supercompensation would kick in.

Pauli? GymJunkie? What say you?

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[quote]SashaG wrote:

[quote]Emz wrote:

[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]GramboUSMC88 wrote:
Has anyone experienced any skin problems (acne, dry skin, etc…) while on this diet? I have been, within the last few months it has been getting worse. I have cut out certain foods that I thought were the culprits for a period of time but have still not had any success. Not sure if it is just because of my age or eating a lot over maintenance, I got no idea. Any suggestions would be much appreciated[/quote]

Just saw this now but I mentioned this to you already man, the same thing happened to me and nothing worked. I figured I’d just drop olive oil down (was taking in 8tbsp/day back then) but it didn’t help. I had to take Solodyn (sp?) which is an antibiotic, that worked but when I went off it and went back to higher fat I got acne again. It sucked. Got accutane which screwed with my lifting but in the end was worth it. I doubt you’ll see any improvement without taking medication if you stay on a higher fat diet[/quote]

Interesting, since adopting the high fat cyclical diet my hands are dry, flaky, red/raw and bleeds due to skin splitting, I thought it was dietary related since when I had a break of 4 weeks last summer and ate crap, my hands improved when I went back to the high fat diet in August, problems returned but don’t know why!! I’ve been doing exclusions for months and nothing worked for me too, currently using corticosteroid cream which helps but as soon as I stop using my hands revert back, really painful thing 2!![/quote]

This is probably due to the decrease in water your body is carrying given the diet. What you can do is increase your sodium intake and moderate your water intake as well. You may also want to take a look at some antioxidants and some MCTs as well in case your blood cells aren’t getting oxygenated.

Sasha

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Interesting stuff, cheers! Would EVCO do for MCT’s as I’ve got an unopened jar going to waste and how would you incorporate this as Dr D warns against MCT consumption? I also salt my food with Himalayan crystal salt, although not super high in sodium would this do?

Cheers
Emz

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[quote]Emz wrote:

[quote]SashaG wrote:

[quote]Emz wrote:

[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]GramboUSMC88 wrote:
Has anyone experienced any skin problems (acne, dry skin, etc…) while on this diet? I have been, within the last few months it has been getting worse. I have cut out certain foods that I thought were the culprits for a period of time but have still not had any success. Not sure if it is just because of my age or eating a lot over maintenance, I got no idea. Any suggestions would be much appreciated[/quote]

Just saw this now but I mentioned this to you already man, the same thing happened to me and nothing worked. I figured I’d just drop olive oil down (was taking in 8tbsp/day back then) but it didn’t help. I had to take Solodyn (sp?) which is an antibiotic, that worked but when I went off it and went back to higher fat I got acne again. It sucked. Got accutane which screwed with my lifting but in the end was worth it. I doubt you’ll see any improvement without taking medication if you stay on a higher fat diet[/quote]

Interesting, since adopting the high fat cyclical diet my hands are dry, flaky, red/raw and bleeds due to skin splitting, I thought it was dietary related since when I had a break of 4 weeks last summer and ate crap, my hands improved when I went back to the high fat diet in August, problems returned but don’t know why!! I’ve been doing exclusions for months and nothing worked for me too, currently using corticosteroid cream which helps but as soon as I stop using my hands revert back, really painful thing 2!![/quote]

This is probably due to the decrease in water your body is carrying given the diet. What you can do is increase your sodium intake and moderate your water intake as well. You may also want to take a look at some antioxidants and some MCTs as well in case your blood cells aren’t getting oxygenated.

Sasha

[/quote]

Interesting stuff, cheers! Would EVCO do for MCT’s as I’ve got an unopened jar going to waste and how would you incorporate this as Dr D warns against MCT consumption? I also salt my food with Himalayan crystal salt, although not super high in sodium would this do?

Cheers
Emz[/quote]

I would say that MCTs aren’t the best for body composition however it helps with the oxygenization of the blood which could help with your skin . . . try cooking with coconut oil.

On the salt, I believe that what you have is a significant source of sodium however it is void of iodide which is an essential part of proper thyroid function so you may want to look at supplementing with sea kelp which is very affordable.

From point of view, topical aids just don’t do enough to help with problems with the skin because it needs to penetrate so many layers of dead cells to be absorbed.

Hope that helps
Sasha

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[quote]SashaG wrote:

[quote]Emz wrote:

[quote]SashaG wrote:

[quote]Emz wrote:

[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]GramboUSMC88 wrote:
Has anyone experienced any skin problems (acne, dry skin, etc…) while on this diet? I have been, within the last few months it has been getting worse. I have cut out certain foods that I thought were the culprits for a period of time but have still not had any success. Not sure if it is just because of my age or eating a lot over maintenance, I got no idea. Any suggestions would be much appreciated[/quote]

Just saw this now but I mentioned this to you already man, the same thing happened to me and nothing worked. I figured I’d just drop olive oil down (was taking in 8tbsp/day back then) but it didn’t help. I had to take Solodyn (sp?) which is an antibiotic, that worked but when I went off it and went back to higher fat I got acne again. It sucked. Got accutane which screwed with my lifting but in the end was worth it. I doubt you’ll see any improvement without taking medication if you stay on a higher fat diet[/quote]

Interesting, since adopting the high fat cyclical diet my hands are dry, flaky, red/raw and bleeds due to skin splitting, I thought it was dietary related since when I had a break of 4 weeks last summer and ate crap, my hands improved when I went back to the high fat diet in August, problems returned but don’t know why!! I’ve been doing exclusions for months and nothing worked for me too, currently using corticosteroid cream which helps but as soon as I stop using my hands revert back, really painful thing 2!![/quote]

This is probably due to the decrease in water your body is carrying given the diet. What you can do is increase your sodium intake and moderate your water intake as well. You may also want to take a look at some antioxidants and some MCTs as well in case your blood cells aren’t getting oxygenated.

Sasha

[/quote]

Interesting stuff, cheers! Would EVCO do for MCT’s as I’ve got an unopened jar going to waste and how would you incorporate this as Dr D warns against MCT consumption? I also salt my food with Himalayan crystal salt, although not super high in sodium would this do?

Cheers
Emz[/quote]

I would say that MCTs aren’t the best for body composition however it helps with the oxygenization of the blood which could help with your skin . . . try cooking with coconut oil.

On the salt, I believe that what you have is a significant source of sodium however it is void of iodide which is an essential part of proper thyroid function so you may want to look at supplementing with sea kelp which is very affordable.

From point of view, topical aids just don’t do enough to help with problems with the skin because it needs to penetrate so many layers of dead cells to be absorbed.

Hope that helps
Sasha

[/quote]

Yup, got that covered - my split dose multi contains potassium iodide but I also supplement with kelp as well!

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Hello, I’m 4 weeks into the diet and it’s been great so far. I’m doing Rippetoes Starting Strength and I’ve noticed that I feel weaker on my friday workout (day before the carb load). Should I switch to program based on weekly progress, where you do your heavy workout on Monday (like Bill Starr 5x5)? Anyone else having problems with their friday workout?

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Feeling strong this week after my first carbup. Just did a one full day. Probably will bump it up to 36 hours this next time. Read the first fifty pages of the original AD thread again and am fully inspired by DH. To anyone doubting any particular thing about the AD, whether the duration of the carb load or the AD being a non-keto diet, I strongly recommend just going through the first 50 pages and reading all of DH’s and Il cazzo’s posts.

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Does anyone know how long someone would have to have carbs in there diet for the body to stop burning fat for fuel, and require another 2 week induction? Also, what would be the closest that carbing up should be from the next. I only ask because my regular carb meal is on Sat. and Christmas Eve is on a Thursday. I was going to have carbs on both Xmas Eve and Xmas (screw it, it’s the holidays)and skip the Saturday after, not the Saturday before.

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Keep it as restricted as you can outside of the family meals and you should be fine, 4head.

The thing to keep in mind is that, unless you’re cutting for a competition, big family meals where you break the rules keep you sane and maintain the illusion of being a sociable person. I went into Thanksgiving fully expecting to gain like 2 lbs, and yet I couldn’t even polish off a full plate of food. Moderation is your friend. If Aunt Velma brings her usual “Sugar Castle”, have a small piece and politely decline more. If you have a giant ham, roast, what have you, have a lot of it.

Which reminds me that family christmas dinner this year is a standing rib roast… Jesus…

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Thanks Samdan,

            And, I'm actually trying to put some size on, not cut. So I guess I'm good then. I usually try to bulk a bit during the Holiday season because of the excess eating that usually comes with it, and it's hard to get a tan during a snowstorm anyway. To cold to be shirtless. I just didn't want to short circuit what I've created with the AD.
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[quote]ody wrote:
Hello, I’m 4 weeks into the diet and it’s been great so far. I’m doing Rippetoes Starting Strength and I’ve noticed that I feel weaker on my friday workout (day before the carb load). Should I switch to program based on weekly progress, where you do your heavy workout on Monday (like Bill Starr 5x5)? Anyone else having problems with their friday workout?[/quote]

If you are a beginner (new, in recent history, to progressive lifting), I’d try to stick with Starting Strength (or try a similar program called StrongLifts 5x5) rather than Bill Starr’s 5x5. You should get some good gains for a couple of months. With respect to AD, maybe you could readjust workout days relative to carb load.

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[quote]jsdool wrote:

[quote]ody wrote:
Hello, I’m 4 weeks into the diet and it’s been great so far. I’m doing Rippetoes Starting Strength and I’ve noticed that I feel weaker on my friday workout (day before the carb load). Should I switch to program based on weekly progress, where you do your heavy workout on Monday (like Bill Starr 5x5)? Anyone else having problems with their friday workout?[/quote]

If you are a beginner (new, in recent history, to progressive lifting), I’d try to stick with Starting Strength (or try a similar program called StrongLifts 5x5) rather than Bill Starr’s 5x5. You should get some good gains for a couple of months. With respect to AD, maybe you could readjust workout days relative to carb load.[/quote]
I have been doing Starting Strength for three and half months now, I’ll keep at it for a couple of weeks more and see how that goes. Thanks for replying.

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So I got some pro pepto. Anyone have any advice on how to take it with the AD. I am thinking around 10grams pre, 10 grams during, and then just have a whey and evoo post. Reasonable?

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Anybody have any ideas for an AD pork roast marinade/baste? I’m cooking one for xmas dinner and if there are leftovers I want to be able to eat them without worring about carbs in the meat from marinade.

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What kind of marinade are you looking for? I can give you a more than decent BBQ sauce for reheating, Chris Shugart posted a pretty nice apricot glaze in his forum.

Most marinades for ham will be kinda carby, but wont necessarily absorb into the ham. They’re more for the sauce made with the juice when it cooks. You can marinade and serve it one way, and reheat it with a different sauce.

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I assumed the carbs from the marinade would absorb into the meat. I’m cooking a pork roast not ham so it needs to baste in the juice while it cooks. I was thinking of using apple cider vinegar as the main ingredient.

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Carbs are tricky things when it comes to marinades…

You can take a vinegar base with some chicken stock and garlic, vegetables, and assorted spices (rosemary goes particularly well with pork), and use that. Very low carb, but very high taste. Boil it all together for about an hour. I’ve never PERSONALLY tried this, but it sounds like the kind of thing that would be nice for a pork roast:

Chicken stock (pork stock if you want/can find it)
Garlic
Whole onion, minced
Rosemary
Sage
Apple Cider Vinegar

Add other things as you like, my recommendation would be to make a lot, and then when you want to try something, take a little bit out of the pot, add your other ingredient to the small bit, and try it.

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Thanks again Samdan. you are very helpful.