[quote]Needmassquick wrote:
<<< Do you count fiber or carbs from vegetables? If I don’t have them I would definitely need to buy a fiber supplement[/quote]
If you had any idea how many times this question has been asked =]
You don’t count fiber against your carb intake. So if a food has 10 grams of carbs and 5 grams of fiber you put 5 grams against your carbs.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Needmassquick wrote:
<<< Do you count fiber or carbs from vegetables? If I don’t have them I would definitely need to buy a fiber supplement
If you had any idea how many times this question has been asked =]
You don’t count fiber against your carb intake. So if a food has 10 grams of carbs and 5 grams of fiber you put 5 grams against your carbs.[/quote]
Ha I’m sure it’s a ton, I’ve just seen so many different answers (Don’t count it, count it, count it but as a fat because it changes in digestion, it depends if its soluble or insoluble, etc…). Thanks though.
That would still put me at 34g of carbs 
. Calorieking.com is saying only about 40% of the carbs from broccoli is fiber, I thought it was closer to 2/3 of it. Of that 34g of carbs 20.5 are coming from the non-fiber carbs of broccoli/spinach. The other 13-14 are from eggs, protein, cottage cheese (only 1/2 cup), etc…
[quote]SpiderDan wrote:
DH wrote:
Post up what’ve you’ve been eating/drinking during this time, too.
Pauli D wrote:
SpiderDan wrote:
Hi Guys
Need some advice or encouragement
On day 15 of the diet…
Dan
How did your first carb load go?
What are your macros like during the week?
Diet is pretty much
Meal 1 = 5 whole eggs 1 tbsp fish oil
PWO = 1.5 scoops whey, 1 scoop milk protein, 1 tbsp EVOO
Meal 2 = 200g steak mince + 100g cottage cheese
Meal 3 = 135g tuna + 25g almonds
Meal 4 = 200g steak mince 1tbsp EVOO
Meal 5 = 200g Chicken + 100g Feta cheese + 1 tbsp fish oil
Meal 6 = 50g double cream, 2 scoop , milk protein
Green veg with meals 2, 4 and 5
I thought about dehydration but the pipes are flowing clear
to put it in perspective its 17:15 here in the UK and Im just about keeping my eyes open, I didnt have this problem before I started this diet.
I also take creatine PWO.
[/quote]
What’s your diet like when you’re feeling energetic -strong -powerful -clear-headed?
[quote]Pauli D wrote:
SpiderDan wrote:
DH wrote:
Post up what’ve you’ve been eating/drinking during this time, too.
Pauli D wrote:
SpiderDan wrote:
Hi Guys
Need some advice or encouragement
On day 15 of the diet…
Dan
How did your first carb load go?
What are your macros like during the week?
Diet is pretty much
Meal 1 = 5 whole eggs 1 tbsp fish oil
PWO = 1.5 scoops whey, 1 scoop milk protein, 1 tbsp EVOO
Meal 2 = 200g steak mince + 100g cottage cheese
Meal 3 = 135g tuna + 25g almonds
Meal 4 = 200g steak mince 1tbsp EVOO
Meal 5 = 200g Chicken + 100g Feta cheese + 1 tbsp fish oil
Meal 6 = 50g double cream, 2 scoop , milk protein
Green veg with meals 2, 4 and 5
I thought about dehydration but the pipes are flowing clear
to put it in perspective its 17:15 here in the UK and Im just about keeping my eyes open, I didnt have this problem before I started this diet.
I also take creatine PWO.
What’s your diet like when you’re feeling energetic -strong -powerful -clear-headed?
[/quote]
Dont get me wrong Im still hitting records on the weights in the morning, its just the rest of the day. Before I was eating like this:
Meal 1 = 200ml full fat milk, 1 scoop whey, 1 apple, 1 banana, 2 whole eggs
PWO = 1 scoop whey, 500ml full fat milk, 2 scoops oats
Meal 2 = 135g Tuna, 1 fruit, 1 tbsp EVOO, mixed nuts, green salad
Meal 3 = 200g quark, 1 fruit, heaping tbsp Peanut butter, celery, 1 tbsp EVOO
Meal 4 = 150g chicken, 50g feta, 1 tbsp fish oil, blueberries
Meal 5 = 1 scoop milk protein, 1 tbsp EVOO, 1 tbsp peanut butter, 1 tbsp fish oil
Worked out somewhere around 3350 cals, 280g pro, 150g carb, 190g fat
today has been better energy wise , but still have a head ache.
I really dont want to sound like im moaning but its difficult to put up with.
[quote]SpiderDan wrote:
Dont get me wrong Im still hitting records on the weights in the morning, its just the rest of the day. Before I was eating like this:
Meal 1 = 200ml full fat milk, 1 scoop whey, 1 apple, 1 banana, 2 whole eggs
PWO = 1 scoop whey, 500ml full fat milk, 2 scoops oats
Meal 2 = 135g Tuna, 1 fruit, 1 tbsp EVOO, mixed nuts, green salad
Meal 3 = 200g quark, 1 fruit, heaping tbsp Peanut butter, celery, 1 tbsp EVOO
Meal 4 = 150g chicken, 50g feta, 1 tbsp fish oil, blueberries
Meal 5 = 1 scoop milk protein, 1 tbsp EVOO, 1 tbsp peanut butter, 1 tbsp fish oil
Worked out somewhere around 3350 cals, 280g pro, 150g carb, 190g fat
today has been better energy wise , but still have a head ache.
I really dont want to sound like im moaning but its difficult to put up with.
[/quote]
Well, I wouldn’t allow my diet to make me feel ill -that’s for sure.
If you don’t feel well -don’t do it.
I could never survive on milk, cheese, tuna and protein powder.
That would make ME ill …so I just don’t do it.
And I’m not bashing you ~I just couldn’t eat that way, ya know?
Be well,
Paul
[quote]Pauli D wrote:
SpiderDan wrote:
Dont get me wrong Im still hitting records on the weights in the morning, its just the rest of the day. Before I was eating like this:
Meal 1 = 200ml full fat milk, 1 scoop whey, 1 apple, 1 banana, 2 whole eggs
PWO = 1 scoop whey, 500ml full fat milk, 2 scoops oats
Meal 2 = 135g Tuna, 1 fruit, 1 tbsp EVOO, mixed nuts, green salad
Meal 3 = 200g quark, 1 fruit, heaping tbsp Peanut butter, celery, 1 tbsp EVOO
Meal 4 = 150g chicken, 50g feta, 1 tbsp fish oil, blueberries
Meal 5 = 1 scoop milk protein, 1 tbsp EVOO, 1 tbsp peanut butter, 1 tbsp fish oil
Worked out somewhere around 3350 cals, 280g pro, 150g carb, 190g fat
today has been better energy wise , but still have a head ache.
I really dont want to sound like im moaning but its difficult to put up with.
Well, I wouldn’t allow my diet to make me feel ill -that’s for sure.
If you don’t feel well -don’t do it.
I could never survive on milk, cheese, tuna and protein powder.
That would make ME ill …so I just don’t do it.
And I’m not bashing you ~I just couldn’t eat that way, ya know?
Be well,
Paul[/quote]
Dont get me wrong, thats just a basic plan I made subs all the time. Steak, mackarel, Pork, herring, sardines, turkey were all there. I just made the caveat that if the meat was fatty I wouldnt add any fat to the meal. Dont worry I didnt just live on chicken, tuna and protein powder, I think I would have struggled as well if i did.
I was hoping that I was just doing something wrong, but it may just be im not suited to this lower carb lifestyle…shame. Unless anyone can suggest something I might just run it till the end of the week, carb up saturday and go back to normal next week.
Obviously his insane training at the time had a big influence on the results as well, just thought I’d post it.
Guys, I’m considering another go at the AD and would appreciate some advice on my diet.
Meal 1: 2 scoops PP, heavy cream
Meal 2 PWO: 2 scoops PP, heavy cream
Meal 3: 8 oz hamburg
Meal 4: 8 oz chicken
Meal 5: 8 oz hamburg
Meal 6: 4 eggs, sausage
Meal 7: 8 oz cottage cheese, 1/2 scoop PP
Works out to 2700 kcals, 20 C, 143 F, 328 P. For the induction and maintenance phases I need 215 x ~16 = 3500 kcals.
I like my 8 oz servings because it’s easy to calculate the number of meals and thus how much meat to buy when shopping. I don’t think I’ll have a problem eating more, it’s just trying to figure out how to adjust my cooking routine.
With 20 g carbs already, plus whatever veggies I throw in, I’m not sure how much cheese I can add. Olive oil shots are an option…if I have to. Or raw eggs in my morning shake…if I have to. Or stop whining and just buy and grill more meat.
Any opinions? Suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
DH or anyone who knows, has DiPasquale changed his views on PWO nutrition since the Anabolic Solution or something?
I’m reading it now and he says this:
“If youâ??re OK most of the time but just donâ??t have enough energy for your workouts, then you might try taking in around 50 to 100 grams of carbs after your training. You can vary the amount of carbs you use after exercise by using anywhere from 10 to 150 grams and see what works for you. The type of carbohydrate you use also makes a difference in this case. For various reasons Iâ??ve found that the use of a combination of high glycemic and low glycemic carbs works best.
One word of caution, donâ??t take any carbs prior to working out. Thatâ??s because carbs at that time will decrease GH and IGF-1 production and effect, increase insulin and decrease the use of bodyfat as an primary energy source during training. The ideal pre-workout supplement is my Resolve (see below), which has no carbs but is meant, among several other things, to selectively increase growth hormone and insulin simultaneously to maximize their synergistic anabolic effects while minimizing insulin adverse effects on lipolysis and free fatty acid oxidation.”
but it was posted earlier how he thinks carbs PWO can actually be bad so whats with the discrepancy? Also the “no carbs pre-workout” thing really goes a lot against what I’ve been reading from people like CT and Dave Barr but I’m more curious about the discrepancy with his own writings
Ultimately, what trumps everything is ones ability to adapt to the AD per se. Most will do fine, IF they stick it out. but some are genetically equipped to deal with a bit more CHO.
My big beef is that the majority always think they’re the minority on this (and training and etc…) I think Poliquin is about right that 75-80% of the population should follow a very low CHO cyclical diet of sorts.
From here it seems that there are some who do a bit better on a “Beverly” type diet (50p/20c/30f) up to a Isocaloric diet (33p/33c/33f).
Going above 33-40% CHO is left for a very small minority who are heavily (as in hours per day) training for athletics and the rare person who is just genetically built to run on carbs. Again, this is the small minority.
For example my step dad is a lean 54yo man who is acitve. He could always eat CHO more than most and not get fat but when he does low carb he drops 5 pounds, leans out, and has better energy. Also his blood profile improves. He is in the minority, but can go both ways to a degree. He doesn’t eat crap even when he eats CHO, though. He eats apples, wheat toast, oatmeal, oranges, etc… Maybe a candy bar or ice cream every week or two when he takes my boys somewhere. And no pop. Just tea. Dad works, does lawn work on the side and does some farm help. He’s a man’s man. He can keep up with me on ANYTHING, except for the heavy lifting. We should all be so blessed. I love dad and hope to be able to do what he does when I’m 20 years older.
So when he does add carbs at times, he has learned that even though his body can burn them better than most, he still is “better” when they are low or very controlled (50-100g and no loads). Now, mom gets fat just smelling cookies. So dad does the diet to help her and because they have dinner with us a few times a week and I make fun of him if he eats “girl” food. AKA carbs. 
Ok… back to all this…seems like Poliquin breaks it down like so: 75-80% Low carbs cycling; 15-20% using between 10-40% CHO total, and about 5-10% on a standard high CHO (55-70%)diet.
I push hard for starting in the majority because it will work the vast majority of the time. From here, Doc has a flow chart (in the Metabolic Diet text and maybe the AS books) on how to add small amounts of CHO at targeted times unitl a person feels well.
Where it gets tricky is with people like SpiderDan here. His strength is going up, but he’s feeling a little off. so, I’d suggest a long intro to the diet. 3 weeks of low carbs. Get yourself fully depleted and get a good look at how you fare. Then IF needed slowly begin to titrate in some carbs according to Docs chart. But really, just add a bit of CHO peri-workout. SD may still be lingering in adaptation limbo. I had a woman do this once. We had to dig hard to get her adapted over. Then she flew and went from 155 to 114 in about 3 months. Just walking and doing the diet at the appropriate caloric level.
Anyway…as far as timing of pre vs post, well, Doc is going with the rationale that pre will blunt exercise induced release of GH and IGF-1. GH may not be too much of an issue, but I do seem to recall I’ve seen info on IGF-1 being blunted. And really, this is significant substance to stimulate so we don’t want to miss it. Something post (say 25-50g for a guy who needs to add a bit more)will help this type of person more. And for the guy who wants to try it both ways AND stick to the diet, then keep your CHO for post workout use.
Thib is going on the idea of using specific CHO to get a large insulin flux pre workout to drive aminos in and fuel the workout. Now that is fine, but not so much for us. We are loaded from a supercompensation period and HE is NOT. So, he is mini-loading pre-workout which will work much better if this is the only CHO you take in.
But we don’t need that. I’ve shown time and again that BCAA, hydrolysates, and even standard old whey concentrate will all stimulate insulin to the necessary degree to give us maximum anabolism.
So, without putting words into Mauros mouth, as Ive not talked with him in awhile, I think post is better for us (vs Pre) and none or a very minimum (keeping you under your daily limit) is best of all.
But when one is following a pattern like Thib is, where he keeps his CHO very low except for peri-workout, then he is never doing a “load” period per se. This is allowing him to use CHO more liberally peri-workout. With no load one can do this.
Now, to me, if you use the right insulinogenic supps pre AND post workout(BCAA, whey etc…) and some OPTIONAL small amount of CHO (say 20g) post workout, then we will get insulin driving the nutrients into the muscle pre workout (from the aminos)and the long term effects after training as per Docs artcile. And as the body sees large amounts of EAA’s (mainly BCAA) in the bloodstream it will stimulate protein synthesis AND inhibit breakdown. In effect we are tricking the body into thinking muscle is being broken down and that the substrate for protein synthesis (The EAA’s) are plentiful. This makes the body begin to try to create muscle (synthesize protein) and inhibit breakdown WHILE you are workout out. And since these also stimulate insulin AND trigger PS independent of insulin via the MTOR pathway, we get all we could want.
so then IF a person just must have some CHO (the small minority here) or if one wants to have some post workout (which is NOT necessary and MAY have some negatives) he can add some. If you want to stick to the diet as such, just use about 20g and keep your meals throughout the day good and strict. This will allow you to still load on the weekends. A study by Paddon-Jones et al, using an amino mixture with minimal CHO (20g) was able to fully stimulate anabolism between meals without negative impact on the next solid meals post prandial anabolic response. AKA pulsing as I’ve talked about in other threads.
Norton and Wilson will be doing a study soon (within a year hopefully) to see if the CHO was even necessary at all. I’m saying that they will find what Doc has always said. If you have substrate (aminos etc…) in the bloodstream (and you do for 4-8 hours after a meal) and you stimluate insulin (we do with aminos and protein. no CHO needed), then you will drive those aminos in even without CHO. Because proteins are insulinogenic. Why use CHO, when we can accomplish the same thing with aminos and proteins? They are NOT necessary, especially when you keep the proper paradigm in mind here. We are ADAPTED and thus our body reacts differently than carb burners. If you keep that idea at the fore, you will avoid analysis paralysis and diet jumping with every new article you read.
Finally, the loads we do are quite anabolic/anticatabolic and also serve to keep the body from acclimating to a specific macro ratio being used every day.
Its also far more social and enjoyable. I could go on and on…
DH
Sorry for all the tangents and rambling. I had too much Diet Mt. Dew.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
DH or anyone who knows, has DiPasquale changed his views on PWO nutrition since the Anabolic Solution or something?
I’m reading it now and he says this:
“If youâ??re OK most of the time but just donâ??t have enough energy for your workouts, then you might try taking in around 50 to 100 grams of carbs after your training. You can vary the amount of carbs you use after exercise by using anywhere from 10 to 150 grams and see what works for you. The type of carbohydrate you use also makes a difference in this case. For various reasons Iâ??ve found that the use of a combination of high glycemic and low glycemic carbs works best.
One word of caution, donâ??t take any carbs prior to working out. Thatâ??s because carbs at that time will decrease GH and IGF-1 production and effect, increase insulin and decrease the use of bodyfat as an primary energy source during training. The ideal pre-workout supplement is my Resolve (see below), which has no carbs but is meant, among several other things, to selectively increase growth hormone and insulin simultaneously to maximize their synergistic anabolic effects while minimizing insulin adverse effects on lipolysis and free fatty acid oxidation.”
but it was posted earlier how he thinks carbs PWO can actually be bad so whats with the discrepancy? Also the “no carbs pre-workout” thing really goes a lot against what I’ve been reading from people like CT and Dave Barr but I’m more curious about the discrepancy with his own writings[/quote]
Wow, what again a very interesting post from DH 
So for us in the AD, we could achieve maximum effect with for instance Whey Hydrolysat + L-Leucine pre-workout and during workout, but could it be Whey Isolate (not hydrolyzed) 10mn after the workout ?
I already understood that carbs were not necessary or even counter productive, but with all those “hydrolyzed” proteins floating around, I wonder if the para-workout should be ALL hydrolyzed (if one can afford if) or if that is also not necessary.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Guillaume.
DH,
Regarding the first part of your post on adapting: I definitely agree here. I see where Doc has some recommendations if you aren’t adapting but as you said thats a big IF and from experience I already know I personally have no energy problems with a low carb high fat diet. I would also suggest that SD stick it out a few more weeks and then follow the trouble-shooting guide
As for the peri-workout carbs: It is different but I think the same principles would be similar. Honestly when it comes to working out I’d rather have insulin raises and not care whats being used for such a low amount of calorie burning anyway but since I know I will be adapting well to it anyway I won’t be having carbs except saturdays so thats the only time I’d need to worry about carbs around workouts. As for CT’s plan…his diet strategy is another plan entirely IMO. Only 60-80g of fat a day along with 100-150g of carbs every day not including peri-workout carbs so thats a lot different.
The reason I brought up what Doc said is because I find it weird how he has that article on how carbs are bad PWO but in AS says to have added carbs (IF you have them) post workout and definitely not Pre. This won’t really affect how I go about it most likely since as I said I know I’m fine with low carbs but if I were to add carbs peri-workout I would think pre would be better just from what I’ve been reading.
I like your idea of raising insulin pre workout with non-carb sources, I do wish I could get some Hydrolysate but can really only afford concentrate right now. On the other hand one of Docs specific reasons for not having carbs pre workout is because he says we DONT want to increase insulin at that time 
“Why use CHO, when we can accomplish the same thing with aminos and proteins?”
Can you though? Isn’t the insulin response the CHO different and more significant than that of aminos?
[quote]guillaume76 wrote:
Wow, what again a very interesting post from DH
So for us in the AD, we could achieve maximum effect with for instance Whey Hydrolysat + L-Leucine pre-workout and during workout, but could it be Whey Isolate (not hydrolyzed) 10mn after the workout ?
I already understood that carbs were not necessary or even counter productive, but with all those “hydrolyzed” proteins floating around, I wonder if the para-workout should be ALL hydrolyzed (if one can afford if) or if that is also not necessary.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Guillaume.
[/quote]
As far as I know “hydrolyzed” whey is NOT the same as whey hydrolysate so you shouldn’t confuse the two
Is the dextrose is salt anything to worry about? I know I should use a lot of salt on a lower carb diet but my only option is normal iodized (sp?) salt with the added dextrose. Don’t know how much is added so I figured I’d ask.
DH do you recommend cycling calories throughout the week? Naturally I’m sure my workout days will be a few hundred calories more anyway but I noticed you said to keep calories on the load the same as during the week, at least at first.
Hello,
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
As far as I know “hydrolyzed” whey is NOT the same as whey hydrolysate so you shouldn’t confuse the two[/quote]
I probably wasn’t clear in what I mean. I know there is Whey (concentrate) and Casein, then Whey Isolate, then Whey hydrolysate and Casein hydrolysate. Whey Hydrolysate is Whey Isolate broken down in di and tri-peptides with the help of enzymes (pancreatine ?).
What I asked was, in fact, should we necessarily use Whey Hydrolysate and/or Casein Hydrolysate for ALL the para-workout, or could we use hydrolysate pre and during workout, and pure Whey (concentrate or Isolate) post-workout ? If I remember well Thib talked about something like that, but it may be not applicable for people in the AD, hence my question.
I hope it is more clear now
Regards,
Guillaume.
"Rest Phase
While weâ??re discussing the Cutting Phase itâ??s a good idea to cover the Rest Phase that normally follows. The Rest Phase is ideally a period of time in which you chill out, cut back on your training and get yourself mentally and physically â??healedâ?? for the next push.
In the Rest Phase itâ??s also a good idea to relax your diet and cut back on your nutritional supplement use. Basically give your mind and body a change to get back to normal, away from the self imposed rigors and schedules. The Rest Phase may even be a time during which you simply gave up training for a period of time for one reason or another.
Nutrition for the Rest Phase (Post Contest or Break)
During the Rest Phase I usually suggest going off the strict part of the Metabolic Diet and reintroducing a moderate amount of carbs, anywhere from 20 to 50%, cutting back on the protein and going on a moderate fat diet. In other words youâ??re following a diet thatâ??s pretty close to the normal North American Diet.
And donâ??t worry about having problems getting strict with the Metabolic Diet when itâ??s time. Your body will â??rememberâ?? and itâ??ll be much easier to get back in the grove."
Is there any point to actually doing this or will it just mess us up?
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
"Rest Phase
During the Rest Phase I usually suggest going off the strict part of the Metabolic Diet and reintroducing a moderate amount of carbs, anywhere from 20 to 50%, cutting back on the protein and going on a moderate fat diet. In other words youâ??re following a diet thatâ??s pretty close to the normal North American Diet.
And donâ??t worry about having problems getting strict with the Metabolic Diet when itâ??s time. Your body will â??rememberâ?? and itâ??ll be much easier to get back in the grove."
Is there any point to actually doing this or will it just mess us up?[/quote]
If you compete in bodybuilding and routinely get below 5-6% bf, then yes ~there is a huge anabolic advantage (read muscle building period) immediately after a contest.
In my experience however, it usually takes an individual several tries before they learn how to best capitalize on this post-contest advantage without gaining too much fat.
Keep in mind, if you haven’t achieved sub 5-6% bf…don’t waste your time with this idea.
There’s really no advantage to be had.
I might also note that what Doc says is very true in that the AD is quite a forgiving nutritional strategy. You can literally ‘go off’ for a week or two and just fall right back into it (and yes, without “re-doing” the induction phase).
Of course, flip-flopping back and forth won’t do you any good. But once adapted, you can ‘relax’ or ‘rest’ as Doc says and you shouldn’t have any trouble climbing back aboard.
RE: Rest Phase
Another thought…
Looking at Doc’s statement from a different angle, yes the 'cutting/resting/cutting/resting cycle can be an effective strategy with large fat-massed individuals.
Many others have spoken on this and advocate this very same strategy at times (Berardi, McDonald et al).
Charles Poliquin is not so forgiving. ‘If you’re fat -quit crying and don’t stop cutting fat till you’re not fat anymore.’ (total paraphrase, but I know Charles would approve)
;^)
Thanks Pauli D, I figured it would probably be best saved for those who are really lean considering in his book he suggests starting a cut at 10% but I was just wondering anyway.
By the way I’ve noticed you post occasionally here, what are your current stats and how has your “experience on the anabolic diet” been?
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Thanks Pauli D, I figured it would probably be best saved for those who are really lean considering in his book he suggests starting a cut at 10% but I was just wondering anyway.
By the way I’ve noticed you post occasionally here, what are your current stats and how has your “experience on the anabolic diet” been?[/quote]
I do post occasionally and try to help if I can. Although, the real expert on this board is DH. DH is one smart dude and an accomplished student of both iron and nutrition. He knows a thing or two about a thing or two, let me tell you.
Dr Mauro Pasquale is another very intelligent man. Charles Poliquin calls him “one of the smartest men I have ever met.” And that is no paraphrase. Charles has spoken highly of Mauro for years and speaks highly of him still.
I have the good fortune of being trained by Charles Poliquin and work as a BioSignature Practitioner using Charles’ methods and protocols. That being said, I can attest to the effectiveness of the Anabolic Diet as designed by Dr Pasquale. I can also attest to the effectiveness of Charles Poliquin’s nutritional strategies as well -some of which bear resemblance to Pasquale’s work and are certainly based upon much of the same scientific findings -albeit applied slightly differently.
The point that I would make about the Anabolic Diet, and it is the same point that DH has made many times, is this:
Do your very best to understand the basic principles of the plan. Work the basic principles, become adapted and stick with the basics before you start ‘tinkering’ or making modifications.
It’s not uncommon for folks to go three or four months -even a year before finally ‘getting it.’ There is a little trial and error, but if you keep it simple…it will get easier and easier to find what works best.
Sounds good. Yea I noticed Poliquin believes most do well with lower carbs too but I don’t think he has many get rid of carbs entirely or try to become fat adapted (am I wrong about that?). So have you never actually done the AD?