Rotating meat sources? Nothing planned. Budget usually does that! Its been more chicken and less steak for awhile now. Maybe next year if the market stabilizes…
I probably consume about 1/2 my protein as wpc. I cannot eat a large volume of food at once, unless Im loading, so liquid calories are my friend.
I need to hook up with a hunter and get some deer. I actually tried elk for the first time last year and it was OUTSTANDING. Best meat Ive ever eaten.
DH
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My experience stems from a component of a Charles Poliquin BioSig program to control cortisol and restore normal hormonal patterns.
The idea is to begin the day with red meats, then gradually switch to white meats by day’s end. Works brilliantly well!
The L-Tyrosine from red meats gets you pretty fired up to start the day keeps you going until evening --by which time you’ve made the switch to white meats and the L-Tryptophan is calming you down and preparing you for a nice restful and recuperative sleep.
Good stuff!
I think the folks who complain about night-sweats might benefit from being mindful of what kind of protein they’re consuming before bed. …It does make a difference!
Rotating meat sources? Nothing planned. Budget usually does that! Its been more chicken and less steak for awhile now. Maybe next year if the market stabilizes…
I probably consume about 1/2 my protein as wpc. I cannot eat a large volume of food at once, unless Im loading, so liquid calories are my friend.
I need to hook up with a hunter and get some deer. I actually tried elk for the first time last year and it was OUTSTANDING. Best meat Ive ever eaten.
DH
My experience stems from a component of a Charles Poliquin BioSig program to control cortisol and restore normal hormonal patterns.
The idea is to begin the day with red meats, then gradually switch to white meats by day’s end. Works brilliantly well!
The L-Tyrosine from red meats gets you pretty fired up to start the day keeps you going until evening â??by which time youâ??ve made the switch to white meats and the L-Tryptophan is calming you down and preparing you for a nice restful and recuperative sleep.
Good stuff!
I think the folks who complain about night-sweats might benefit from being mindful of what kind of protein theyâ??re consuming before bed. …It does make a difference!
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Thats interesting. Where would eggs and fish fall into that?
I have eggs first, then steak, then chicken, then turkey and cottage cheese as my last meal
Thats interesting. Where would eggs and fish fall into that?
I have eggs first, then steak, then chicken, then turkey and cottage cheese as my last meal[/quote]
Fish is definitely a yin protein, meaning it’s a calming protein.
Eggs…I tend to think of eggs as yin as well. Try it for yourself.
Skip the eggs and have a pound of steak for breakfast -assuming you want to grow.
See how you feel.
I’m not much for utensils…always on the go. I purchase most all of my meat ground.
Give it a shot! Nothing like a pound of ground buffalo to get your day started right!
Thats interesting. Where would eggs and fish fall into that?
I have eggs first, then steak, then chicken, then turkey and cottage cheese as my last meal
Fish is definitely a yin protein, meaning it’s a calming protein.
Eggs…I tend to think of eggs as yin as well. Try it for yourself.
Skip the eggs and have a pound of steak for breakfast -assuming you want to grow.
See how you feel.
I’m not much for utensils…always on the go. I purchase most all of my meat ground.
Give it a shot! Nothing like a pound of ground buffalo to get your day started right!
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well I used to have steak first and then eggs made into a shake/bar for school but now that its summer I’ve been having the eggs first but that can easily be changed.
a pound of steak…sounds great, too bad I’m cutting and only eating a 3-4oz serving!
For anybody cutting with a CKD type diet like this how low in calories and how much LISS cardio do you tend to have to go to?
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
well I used to have steak first and then eggs made into a shake/bar for school but now that its summer I’ve been having the eggs first but that can easily be changed.
a pound of steak…sounds great, too bad I’m cutting and only eating a 3-4oz serving!
For anybody cutting with a CKD type diet like this how low in calories and how much LISS cardio do you tend to have to go to?
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Gee, I don’t know. I’ve never done any LISS “cardio” work and don’t recommend it, actually.
You might get a tongue lashing referring to the AD as a CKD…but as far as calorie restriction -you can go pretty low once adapted. How low is going to depend on your goals, your time-frame, your fitness and your current bodyfat levels.
What do you suggest for cardio then? Generally with carbs so low I hear that anything more intense is bad (not saying I completely agree with that though)
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
What do you suggest for cardio then? Generally with carbs so low I hear that anything more intense is bad (not saying I completely agree with that though)[/quote]
Not to sound like a geek…but what are your immediate goals?
What we’re talking about is cardiovascular conditioning, right?
Greater V02 max?
-Or are we discussing simple energy exchange to burn fat?
You might also want to approach both equally -which you can do…but one goal needs to be primary -the secondary goal will be achieved by proxy, albeit at a slower rate.
And as far as the diet goes, the AD can support any training goals -that is if the AD is a suitable dietary strategy FOR YOU.
Not all genetic predispositions will adapt to the same degree -but most certainly will and most folks certainly should try to adapt to a more paleolithic dietary style no matter their heredity.
So…what is it you are trying to accomplish exactly?
Maximum fat loss while retaining muscle. For that I’ve always heard to stick to low intensity while on such low carbs except maybe the day after the carb up
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Maximum fat loss while retaining muscle. For that I’ve always heard to stick to low intensity while on such low carbs except maybe the day after the carb up[/quote]
[quote]Pauli D wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
Maximum fat loss while retaining muscle. For that I’ve always heard to stick to low intensity while on such low carbs except maybe the day after the carb up
How long have you been on the AD?[/quote]
I’ve done a CKD before but then gone to higher carbs (Still pretty low) for a little while. I’ve been on CKD/AD for the last 5 weeks or so
i apologize if i have sounded completely naive about the diet. i just am frustrated at how hard it is to fill the body like this. 250 g of protein?! ive had to strive really hard to get to that level and mostly id have to resort to 4 scoops of whey protein, 4 hamburger patties, and 5 ounces of some cheese. i try to use a variety of foods but not a lot of foods can fill the requirements fast.
fat is the thing that really kills me. 2 tbsp of butter on an egg is really nasty to the mouth, not the taste of course(well sort of). after seeing someone reccommend shots of evoo, even thought i only did it for three days, my body is so sensitive to it now that i start making barf sounds even if there’s 1/2 tbsp evoo on 6 oz of meat. i can smell a drop of it so strongly that i am sad to say ive been trying to avoid using it, which means ive been using butter to dress any protein.
after reaching these disappointments day after day, ive found myself saying that i cant wait to get off this diet. i really would like to make this diet the most enjoyable diet plan for cutting mass i will ever be on, but i need some serious help.
[quote]vcjha wrote:
i apologize if i have sounded completely naive about the diet. i just am frustrated at how hard it is to fill the body like this. 250 g of protein?! ive had to strive really hard to get to that level and mostly id have to resort to 4 scoops of whey protein, 4 hamburger patties, and 5 ounces of some cheese. i try to use a variety of foods but not a lot of foods can fill the requirements fast.
fat is the thing that really kills me. 2 tbsp of butter on an egg is really nasty to the mouth, not the taste of course(well sort of). after seeing someone reccommend shots of evoo, even thought i only did it for three days, my body is so sensitive to it now that i start making barf sounds even if there’s 1/2 tbsp evoo on 6 oz of meat. i can smell a drop of it so strongly that i am sad to say ive been trying to avoid using it, which means ive been using butter to dress any protein.
after reaching these disappointments day after day, ive found myself saying that i cant wait to get off this diet. i really would like to make this diet the most enjoyable diet plan for cutting mass i will ever be on, but i need some serious help.[/quote]
I don’t see what the problem people have with this diet is. First of all you probably shouldn’t be using that much butter. Secondly try using “Extra light in taste Olive Oil” which is better for cooking anyway. I think almost every savory food tastes a hell of a lot better with it (chicken, steak, fish, eggs, etc…)
For fats you have that, nuts, nut butter, fattier meats, etc…
for protein I really don’t think it’s that hard but if anything have the whey like you do. I used to have 320g of protein a day and I never had any problem eating it or the 100+ grams of fat.
[quote]vcjha wrote:
i apologize if i have sounded completely naive about the diet. i just am frustrated at how hard it is to fill the body like this. 250 g of protein?! ive had to strive really hard to get to that level and mostly id have to resort to 4 scoops of whey protein, 4 hamburger patties, and 5 ounces of some cheese. i try to use a variety of foods but not a lot of foods can fill the requirements fast.
fat is the thing that really kills me. 2 tbsp of butter on an egg is really nasty to the mouth, not the taste of course(well sort of). after seeing someone reccommend shots of evoo, even thought i only did it for three days, my body is so sensitive to it now that i start making barf sounds even if there’s 1/2 tbsp evoo on 6 oz of meat. i can smell a drop of it so strongly that i am sad to say ive been trying to avoid using it, which means ive been using butter to dress any protein.
after reaching these disappointments day after day, ive found myself saying that i cant wait to get off this diet. i really would like to make this diet the most enjoyable diet plan for cutting mass i will ever be on, but i need some serious help.[/quote]
I don’t know how you guys struggle, I am eating 5-6000kcals a day and am still hungry!
thank you to both of u for the quick replies. i guess it was just a matter of taste and variety. if u do eat steak without any kind of dressing or marinade and it tastes good to u, i would like to know how u do it. if u do use a marinade, someone please show me how to marinade properly. ive tried to get tips on the internet, but the marinade just doesnt flavor the steak.
more often than not, the juices dont soak into the meat wen i do it. as ive said before, i use a gf grill. and number two, i have absolutely no problem with the amount. it’s that it becomes hard to choose foods because only certain foods have abundant amounts of the macros u need.
for now, my staples are hamburger, nuts, coconut milk, butter, and eggs. because of the meat problem, ive been avoiding meat. if u guys or someone else could answer these questions well, i think im well on my way to truly enjoying the anabolic diet experience. thank you to all who help.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Pauli D wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
Maximum fat loss while retaining muscle. For that I’ve always heard to stick to low intensity while on such low carbs except maybe the day after the carb up
How long have you been on the AD?
I’ve done a CKD before but then gone to higher carbs (Still pretty low) for a little while. I’ve been on CKD/AD for the last 5 weeks or so[/quote]
Well at that stage (5wks), you may still be sensitive to the change in macros. But that’s for you to decide. The reality remains that burning bodyfat is going to be a result of a caloric deficit. How you achieve that deficit is going to depend upon your goals.
If it were me (and it often has been), I would train as hard as my recovery will allow while slowly reducing caloric intake over a predetermined period of time. After some trial and error, you will find your ‘sweet spot.’
This ‘sweet spot’ is going to allow you to make gains and progress in the gym while you lose bodyfat.
I have never known one training method to be superior to another in this regard.
You will excel at what you enjoy doing.
If you want to retain muscle while burning bodyfat, then you’re going to have to give your body the appropriate motivation to do so…i.e. Train your body to be lean and strong.
What does that mean?
I don’t know.
Only you know that.
Work very hard, lift heavy loads correctly, do things that make your heart pound and your lungs work extremely hard and then remove the unnecessary calories from your diet a little at a time.
You’ll get there if the ‘want’ is big enough.
And you’ll enjoy it if you’re doing what you enjoy doing.
just a quick one Im starting the diet on tuesday next week
Im probably looking at 2 weeks off lifting at the end of the initial 4 week maintenance phase as Im probably having laser eye surgery, should I just go low carb for that whole period and lower calories a bit?
[quote]vcjha wrote:
thank you to both of u for the quick replies. i guess it was just a matter of taste and variety. if u do eat steak without any kind of dressing or marinade and it tastes good to u, i would like to know how u do it. if u do use a marinade, someone please show me how to marinade properly. ive tried to get tips on the internet, but the marinade just doesnt flavor the steak.
more often than not, the juices dont soak into the meat wen i do it. as ive said before, i use a gf grill. and number two, i have absolutely no problem with the amount. it’s that it becomes hard to choose foods because only certain foods have abundant amounts of the macros u need.
for now, my staples are hamburger, nuts, coconut milk, butter, and eggs. because of the meat problem, ive been avoiding meat. if u guys or someone else could answer these questions well, i think im well on my way to truly enjoying the anabolic diet experience. thank you to all who help.[/quote]
I love beef and meat of just about any kind. If you don’t like the taste try some Lea & Perrins worcestershire sauce. It does contain 1 carb per serving, but with beef having none it should be fine.
[quote]Pauli D wrote:
If it were me (and it often has been), I would train as hard as my recovery will allow while slowly reducing caloric intake over a predetermined period of time. After some trial and error, you will find your ‘sweet spot.’
This ‘sweet spot’ is going to allow you to make gains and progress in the gym while you lose bodyfat.
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This is exactly what I’m trying to do at the moment. Gain strength in the gym while slowly lose bodyfat. Gained about 30lbs and some decent strength in the last 6mths or so, but a bit too much chub. Don’t want to get shredded or go on a full on diet, but basically just want to drop a couple of notches on the belt before I chase strength more aggressively again.
[quote]Zhelezen wrote:
Pauli D wrote:
If it were me (and it often has been), I would train as hard as my recovery will allow while slowly reducing caloric intake over a predetermined period of time. After some trial and error, you will find your ‘sweet spot.’
This ‘sweet spot’ is going to allow you to make gains and progress in the gym while you lose bodyfat.
This is exactly what I’m trying to do at the moment. Gain strength in the gym while slowly lose bodyfat. Gained about 30lbs and some decent strength in the last 6mths or so, but a bit too much chub. Don’t want to get shredded or go on a full on diet, but basically just want to drop a couple of notches on the belt before I chase strength more aggressively again.
Has this been possible for you in the past ?[/quote]
Actually you should be chasing strength and muscle mass.
And you should ‘chase’ those qualities aggressively.
The stronger you are, the more muscle mass you can potentially build.
The more muscle mass you carry, the more energy you burn at rest -AND work AND ‘play.’
The more energy you burn (ya with me yet?)…the more that energy could potentially come from fat stores.
So unless you’re just a butterball (no offense, jus’ sayin’) -you really should be focused on building strength and muscle mass.
A recent study out of Stanford University found that strength and muscle mass were the two leading indicators for longevity and health.
Build yourself a ‘bigger engine’ that burns more fuel!