My Experience On the Anabolic Diet Part II

Nutrition
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That’s exactly why I see it as a problem. When carbs weren’t off-limits, they didn’t have the same status as being the forbidden fruit, pun partially intended lol. My forbidden fruit is a pineapple in my fridge right now. It shall be gone soon.

When I began this ‘experiment,’ I told myself I’d give it at least 4 weeks to make a fair assessment. I’m glad I did that, but even when things were looking up, too many factors always brought it back down.

I don’t like a diet that makes me want to bake cakes and pancakes once a week…especially when my T levels appear to be lower lately. Seems a little too estrogenic if you know what I mean…

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My next load is monday and I’m already getting jittery just thinking about it.

Got some groceries today including some wonderful treats - RAISIN BRAN w/ Vanilla Soy Milk! - I just know I’m gonna end up going through the whole box.
Also got a sweet potato for the first time in a while, apples, bananas and some maple syrup baked beans (why not!). Oh, not to mention a white baguette.

On the other side of things I got 4 reduced whole cooked chickens for $12 (CAD) and a bunch of reduced chicken legs and reduced broccoli. Chicken salads will make a nice change from cat-food (tuna) salads.

A chicken a day keeps the blues away!

It’s really sick though, I just can’t stop thinking about that raisin bran and soy milk now - it’s going to act as a real major driving force in my depletion sessions today and tomorrow (that and some incredible organic coffee). I like the motivation but it should come more from a want of self-improvement, strength, fitness, health - hell, I’d even happily fess up to a hearty portion of vanity right now - not bowls of cereal!

Anyway, speaking of coffee - is it just me who is utterly in love with the stuff?
I like to think of myself as a true affecionado of coffee in that I drink it black; unsweetened - THE ONLY WAY!
I made the mistake of going for some cheap shit the other day in an attempt to reduce expenses and it was the worst damn stuff I ever had.
I can really tell the difference in qualities of coffee now - crappy stuff just gives me the jitters and almost doesn’t taste like COFFEE while spending a little more on some better quality (in this case, organic) stuff really affords the drinker a richer, darker taste and a much more even effect - not just a ‘buzz’ or superficial (and very temporary) energy burst.

I digress…

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I was told the proper way to drink coffee was to slurp it (from the edge) so that you increase the surface area and oxygenate the liquid. It made total sense. I don’t like coffee, but I’ve experienced a similar concept in Jello; that is, blending it with a fork or spoon until it resembles caviar. It’s way richer in taste!

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[quote]nz6stringaxe wrote:
I was told the proper way to drink coffee was to slurp it (from the edge) so that you increase the surface area and oxygenate the liquid. It made total sense. I don’t like coffee, but I’ve experienced a similar concept in Jello; that is, blending it with a fork or spoon until it resembles caviar. It’s way richer in taste![/quote]

I’ll give that a try over breakfast tomorrow.

So the chickens I got today have the following ingredients in the seasoning: ‘salt, spices, spice extractives’.
I’m a little concerned as it had a vaguely sweet taste. A quick google search hasn’t produced anything wholly conclusive, does anyone know if the extractives may contain hidden carbs?

I guess if this is an issue I can just discard the skin (alas!).

I’m actually more hungry now after just wolfing down 3/4 chicken than I was before I even ate the damn thing! Now that DOES concern me…

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[quote]nz6stringaxe wrote:
I don’t like coffee, but I’ve experienced a similar concept in Jello; that is, blending it with a fork or spoon until it resembles caviar. It’s way richer in taste![/quote]

Are you sure it isn’t that you just like to play with your food? o.O

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I this just boils down to a difference in dietary preference, but I 7 times out of 10 I have to remind myself to to keep eating carbs like crazy on the weekend.

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Attention. Grilled pineapple.
That is all.

Haha, so wonderfully good.

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hey

whats the go with cooking beef patties, im cooking it now of a george foreman grille and the bottom tray is like full of juice

is this the good fats out of the meat? Or will they still be in the meat?

Wats a way to cook them?

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also is there anything wrong with this diet

starting it 2mrw

6 eggs + 2 fish oil caps, multi P 35g, F 30g

2 beef patties, 3/4 cup green beans, 1 peice of cheese, 1 shot (30mls) of EVOO P 50g, F 28g C 5g

Protein shake with 4 tbls natural PB P 52g, F 48

1 large chicken breast 3/4 green beans + 1 shot EVOO P 42, F 28g C 5g

195g Tuna in olive oil or Protein shake + 4 tbls spoons PB P 34 F 60g

creatine

workout

1.5 scoops whey, + blue berries or banana, 4 scoops xtend,

Chicken breast or fish or mine or meat P 40 F 10+

125g cottage cheese 1 tbls PB, scoop of glutamine + 2 caps of flaxseed P 27 F 14g

total = P 268g, F 210g, C 15g+ but under 30g

TOTAL = 3022cals a day, should be around 3200 tho,

So what you guys think?

will keep it at this for the start up phase for 3 weeks no carb ups

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[quote]nz6stringaxe wrote:
Attention. Grilled pineapple.
That is all.

Haha, so wonderfully good.[/quote]

Oh my that sounds awesome.
I didn’t pick up a pineapple for tomorrow’s load but I’ve got apples and bananas so I might make some kind of grilled fruit thing with cinnamon, whatever I can think of.
I could even add some sweet potato… hmm…

You guys are provoking some serious flavorgasms in me.

[quote]synny wrote:
also is there anything wrong with this diet

starting it 2mrw

6 eggs + 2 fish oil caps, multi P 35g, F 30g

2 beef patties, 3/4 cup green beans, 1 peice of cheese, 1 shot (30mls) of EVOO P 50g, F 28g C 5g

Protein shake with 4 tbls natural PB P 52g, F 48

1 large chicken breast 3/4 green beans + 1 shot EVOO P 42, F 28g C 5g

195g Tuna in olive oil or Protein shake + 4 tbls spoons PB P 34 F 60g

creatine

workout

1.5 scoops whey, + blue berries or banana, 4 scoops xtend,

Chicken breast or fish or mine or meat P 40 F 10+

125g cottage cheese 1 tbls PB, scoop of glutamine + 2 caps of flaxseed P 27 F 14g

total = P 268g, F 210g, C 15g+ but under 30g

TOTAL = 3022cals a day, should be around 3200 tho,

So what you guys think?

will keep it at this for the start up phase for 3 weeks no carb ups

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According to Bananas, raw Nutrition Facts & Calories - One medium banana contains 24g carbs, so you’re going to have to replace/remove that.

Be sure to check the carbs in the rest of your meals.

(approximately) -

6 eggs = 3.6g carbs
4 tbsp PB = 8g carbs
30g cheese = probably around 2g carbs
Make sure you check the carb content of your protein powder.

You get the point, just be sure to count 'em all up.

1072 protein cals = 35%
1890 fat cals = 63%

Seems alright to me. Sorry if you mentioned this but what do you weigh?

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Damn, nz6stringaxe, I just breathed down my coffee without trying the slurping method!
I guess I’ll just have to have a second cup pre-workout, what a shame…

So I’ve made a major boo boo with the diet.

For the past few weeks I’ve done the following:

4 days LC → 2 day carb load
4 days LC → 2 day carb load
3 days LC → 2 day carb load

In all honesty, I don’t know what happened!
Because of it my energy levels have suffered and I’ve gained fat.
I was so fucking disciplined until then and suddenly I lost my focus.

I think on the load before the 3 day spell, I didn’t take enough carbs (550g approx.) so within a couple of days I was totally burned out.

I’ve been insomniac for the past few nights too, I do wonder if that’s got anything to do with it.
Last night wasn’t as bad but it still took three hours to get to sleep.

Among other things, I just couldn’t stop thinking about Monday’s carbs and then my mind would move onto how I’m going to rectify my fuck up with the carbs and so on and so forth.

It’s like I’m walking on a fine wire and if I lose my balance (i.e. FUCK UP) I just tumble into neurosis, my hormone levels and my energy levels in general really suffer.

Anyway, I’ve done 5 days low carb and carbing up tomorrow and tuesday.
I’ve drastically increased the amount of cardio I’m doing and have been reading through some articles on the site to try and figure out a good workout schedule.
I’m still trying to fit sprints, circuit training and SS cardio around weights sessions - focusing on various aspects that I’ve neglected. coughlegscough

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Synny - looks good to me, except the banana which El Son pointed out already. My other caution is to watch the natty PB, the carbs in that can really add up if you’re not careful. I switched over to almond butter, which has about 2g less carbs, but I still can’t have more that 2-3 tbs before the carbs get too high. I really think you would benefit from adding some more greens in there, like maybe put your tuna on a bed of raw spinach, sautee some spinach and mushrooms in with your eggs, maybe swap out one of those green bean servings for broccoli. I mix my tuna with celery and maybe 40g of sweet bell peppers, too. It’s very important to get in several servings of veggies a day, ideally of several diffreent colors. Just count the carbs and subtract out the fiber. The veggies will keep things “moving” so to speak, and are a very important source of essential nutrients. Even on the AD you must eat all your veggies!!! lol

El Son, I love the enthusiasm, but do you think maybe you’re working a little TOO hard? I don’t do circuit more than twice a week, and I keep my SS cardio to three 30 min sessions a week. Well, unless I get talked into teaching step or spinning, but that’s a whole nother story, lol. Perhaps the reason why you are feeling burnt out is because you’re training a little too much?

My advice (for what it’s worth) is to keep the SS cardio to one or two sessions a week, with one session of sprints or explosive conditioning. Don’t do circuit more than once a week, right before your carb load. Schedule your leg day for the second day after your carb-load, you’ll be hella strong. :slight_smile: Pick yourself up off the floor, dust yourself off, and don’t focus on this stumble! Just do your 5 LC days and your carb load like you normally would. No big deal. And for the love of little puppies, if you can’t sleep, lay off the caffiene after 3 pm! :slight_smile:

Okay, lecture over. :smiley:

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[quote]sunshne wrote:
El Son, I love the enthusiasm, but do you think maybe you’re working a little TOO hard?[/quote]

I think you’re right. And thank you again for the reality check.
I’m really starting to see the value of this thread!

For the coming week I was planning 4 or 5 circuits (with 30 mins SS cardio right after) and approx. 15 mins SS cardio before breakfast most mornings.
This was going to be on top of one sprint session and 3 or 4 weights sessions.

I think I had a contradictory logic in my mind because I thought that if I just eat enough then I’ll do fine but at the same time I’m so fat-phobic (i.e. STORING fat) now that I’d be afriad to go much over my BMR (approx. 2800 cals daily) so I probably would end up not eating enough which would then lead to my workouts suffering which might even cause me to work less and therefore burn less calories and, well y’see what I’m getting at hehe.

See at the moment I have all the free time in the world so I wanted to cram in as much as I could before I don’t have the freedom to workout any time I want.

I’m at the point now, and have been for a while, where it just feels very weird not doing any exercise in a day! I don’t know if anyone else here can relate but for around the past 4-6 months I find it difficult NOT to do at least SOME form of exercise in all those waking hours of the day.
If I don’t follow a weekly schedule then I’ll look back and think ‘Shit, I haven’t had a rest day for a couple of weeks!’.
I did this recently, I haven’t rested since way before my last carb load, not sure when.

Then I realise this and it all starts to fit into place hehe - the diminishing motivation, lethargy, lack of focus etc…

Problem is, I’ve only been training in one form or another solidly and consistently for around a year and in my travels around the webbernet I find myself stumbling upon the routines of olympic athletes or triathletes and then I look at what I do and feel as if I’m really neglecting it! Progression is the key though! I must remember that…

As for the coffee, I don’t usually drink any after lunch (which is usually 1-2pm) but I got some delicious stuff yesterday and just couldn’t resist having a cup around 5pm. (Went to bed at 9:45pm).

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I did/observed an interesting series of things this weekend.

I approached yesterday as mainly a low-fat carb+protein day. However, I let my first meal have an emphasis on fat and protein with only a little bit of carbs. Only one meal had any significant fat in it after that, and even then it wasn’t all that significant. So basically, it was a relaxed carb+protein approach.

I did my GVT workout with squats and triceps movements with my carbed pwo drink (by the way, adding salt makes it taste even better! I’ve been adding salt to my workout water too)…

Several meals go by, I never really stuffed myself, paying more attention to physiological cues. I ate quite a bit at the last meal, but I had only been able to eat lightly for the 6 hours before that. My calories came out to be about 2700 with nearly 300g carbs, 80g fat, and about 230g protein.

So I went to sleep, slept pretty well, woke up to pee and looked in the mirror, and I was rather astonished at how full I looked. My quads has a nice deep soreness to them, triceps soreness even more mild, but it just looked good. This seemed to be a successful usage of carbs, going more by what I envisioned in the plan. (Start the AD by replacing carb cals with fat cals; carb load by doing the opposite). Mauro DiPasquale gave specific numbers to strive for, but I feel like they can’t possibly be ideal. Perhaps last weekend’s results were just drowned in too many calories, but I felt the best from yesterday than when I began, aiming more for low protein in favor of carbs then fats.

I had the same breakfast as I did yesterday, and I’m only going to have one real shot of carbs today in my pwo drink.

I plan to bring carbs back in in the form of pwo drinks every 3-4 days starting now, abandoning the weekend carbs. Slowly, I’ll increase the frequency and maybe add in another meal or two at an equally slow frequency.

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im 80kgs atm and have been like forever. usually fluctuate between 79-82kgs

Ok the banana is gone lol noooo.

So there no prob with shotting EVOO everyday? seems a bit much.

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[quote]nz6stringaxe wrote:
I did/observed an interesting series of things this weekend.

I approached yesterday as mainly a low-fat carb+protein day. However, I let my first meal have an emphasis on fat and protein with only a little bit of carbs. Only one meal had any significant fat in it after that, and even then it wasn’t all that significant. So basically, it was a relaxed carb+protein approach.

I did my GVT workout with squats and triceps movements with my carbed pwo drink (by the way, adding salt makes it taste even better! I’ve been adding salt to my workout water too)…

Several meals go by, I never really stuffed myself, paying more attention to physiological cues. I ate quite a bit at the last meal, but I had only been able to eat lightly for the 6 hours before that. My calories came out to be about 2700 with nearly 300g carbs, 80g fat, and about 230g protein.

So I went to sleep, slept pretty well, woke up to pee and looked in the mirror, and I was rather astonished at how full I looked. My quads has a nice deep soreness to them, triceps soreness even more mild, but it just looked good. This seemed to be a successful usage of carbs, going more by what I envisioned in the plan. (Start the AD by replacing carb cals with fat cals; carb load by doing the opposite). Mauro DiPasquale gave specific numbers to strive for, but I feel like they can’t possibly be ideal. Perhaps last weekend’s results were just drowned in too many calories, but I felt the best from yesterday than when I began, aiming more for low protein in favor of carbs then fats.

I had the same breakfast as I did yesterday, and I’m only going to have one real shot of carbs today in my pwo drink.

I plan to bring carbs back in in the form of pwo drinks every 3-4 days starting now, abandoning the weekend carbs. Slowly, I’ll increase the frequency and maybe add in another meal or two at an equally slow frequency. [/quote]

That’s almost exactly how I do my carb load, I start off with my regular P&F breakfast, go work out, and commence carbs PWO. And I have to agree that it just feels better to do my carb load with less fat, just like you describe. I tried a 36 hour carb load and felt like it was just way too much, then I tried a 12 hour load and felt like I didn’t fill up enough… this weekend I did 24 hours (PWO on fri to PWO on sat) and that seemed to work pretty well.

So it sounds like you’re not doing the AD any more, just a carb cycle, am I right? But it sounds like you had a really good response to this carb load, why not repeat that a few more weeks and see what happens?

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[quote]synny wrote:
im 80kgs atm and have been like forever. usually fluctuate between 79-82kgs

Ok the banana is gone lol noooo.

So there no prob with shotting EVOO everyday? seems a bit much.
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As long as you decide on your P/F ratios and stay within your alloted amounts then some EVOO downage will do you nothing but good. I personally don’t take it straight as I prefer to add it to salads but I don’t see any problem with using it for some additional calories.

I think I personally would probably only use it as a err… beverage (hehe) on a bulk if I was struggling to get all my calories in.

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Starting the load PWO sounds like a very wise idea.
I do most of my workouts after breakfast so that’s ideal for me.

Do you guys think it would be worthwhile also having a P+F breakfast on the SECOND morning of the load pre-workout? I was thinking of doing this and then making a PWO shake from soy milk, banana and 4 or 5 egg whites (perhaps a couple of yolks? I wasn’t sure about that).

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Trying to reel me back in, sunshne? Ha, this weekend was just a minor positive experience in a greater field of an overall negative experience with the diet.

I may bring it back in next time I plan a long, serious diet phase, but I’d also like to see what low fat moderate carb fat loss is like.

Y’know, it’s funny. I was on the members-only ISSA question board today, and someone asked something about recommendations to the Metabolic Diet. The administrative response was generally opposed to the idea, but specifically said that without the carbohydrate being used as fuel, more amino acids would be burned as fuel from muscle. That’s basically the complete opposite of what the author claims. By the way, the person who responds to these questions isn’t just ‘some guy behind a monitor,’ so don’t get that impression. His response was quite interesting to see as it was in complete opposition however.

I’ll continue to wade through The Ketogenic Diet and let you guys know what conclusions I make based on its information.

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damn i had to ditch heaps of PB cos there 2.8g of carbs per tbls in mine. noooooo

only using 5 tbls PB = 12 carbs

3 scoops protein a day = 6 carbs

2 cups green beans = 10g

my 6 eggs have 0 carbs, only 0.2 sugar per 2 eggs

tuna = 0 carbs

almonds and walnuts have quite a few carbs so not eating any…

cottage cheese has 5g carbs for 125g

geez. they really add up fast, time for more EVOO eww

fuck i need another fat source besides OLIVE OIL…