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[quote]WiZlon wrote:
MrChill wrote:
How about a poll?

I can’t vote fairly - my eyesight is not good enough and I refuse to wear glasses.

Now, if you have a phone number of the young lady in the image, or better yet an address, I am prepared to conduct extensive research to test whether she’s truly suitable avatar material or not… :slight_smile:

More seriously, I think it’s fine. My kids don’t frequent T-Nation; and as and when they do want to “explore” this kind of stuff (even without my approval), I’m afraid your avatar will be tame indeed compared with what else they will find in a click or two. :slight_smile:

WiZ
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Aaaaah, the voice of reason.

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ZEB,

I will agree that some content should be limited (not necessarily on this site).

No your kids probably shouldn’t grow up watching, emulating etc scantily clad women or men. But will it happen? Maybe maybe not. That is up to the parent to instill some morals into the kid. That is what society lacks. Is there something wrong with nudity no, there isn’t. It just comes down to the fact that most parents, not necessarily you, teach their kids enough in the morals department.

A child can be severely limited by overprotective parents. If you teach your kid to have morals, make concious, educated decisions well then you’ve done your job. If you just feed them, take them to school and send them on their way at 18+ well you’ve failed.

Sounds like you are on the way to option 1 and that is what society needs. Although restriction material, well anything they see on this site they can see on almost any movie or hear in any song on the radio except the f-bomb. There are going to be times when you can’t be there to talk to them or show them the “correct” path so that is up to them to decide which one it is. Like I said, instilling morals, while certainly the hardest, is the most rewarding when you end up with a child that can think, act, and function. The problem that occurs is that all the restriction in setting those morals adversely affects how those individuals interact with others in life or in their own self growth. Really it is a huge problem if you think about it.

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ZEB,

How can you actually argue that societey is sex obsessed?

Nudity is taboo. Nudity is a direct relation to sex.

Yes the media and society drop sexual overtones constantly ie: music vids, pictures etc.

But sex obsessed? hardly. Hell most people can’t hardly even talk about it because they are sexually repressed.

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Since the name of the site is ‘Testosterone Nation’, I’d think that one could reasonably assume that it is a male dominated site, and that anyone else should enter at their own risk.

|/ 3Toes

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Suppose the real problem with kids seeing that god awful avatar gasp is that too many parents teach (or wont bother teaching much at all) their kids to associate all nudity with sexual acts.

It is not the picture itself that represents a threat to a childs mental stability, but the fact that they’ve been told (well morelike turned away) from the get go that all nudity will lead to perversion and is not acceptable by our society.

And ZEB… you might be old and experienced, just that it doesn’t automatically mean your ability to understand things is more evolved and better than ours who are younger and “less” experienced than you. Neither does it give you the right to be a smug Judgemental asshole. <<< Yay for the internet where I too can insult anyone without the fear of any… well anything what-so-ever. \0/

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
malonetd wrote:
I get what you are saying, but that’s not the point here. You are trying to insert a new argument into this post.

Not really, it’s the same argument. I do plead guilty on trying to expand it however :wink:

The item originally being discussed was an avatar on T-Nation.com, formerly Testosterone.com. This is the same website that posts a scantily clad powerful image once a week; the same website where the editor-in-chief posts an article about his penis once every Friday.

And both of those things can be either blocked or avoided as you know what is coming. Someones avatar is simply THERE. Sort of like flipping the radio station and hearing Stern blurt out a word that is not suitable for a child.

Of course I don’t have that particular problem anymore as he is gone from the air waves and I don’t have satellite radio. That was a happy day :slight_smile:

Nobody is shoving this website into you or your children’s faces.

And that is the exact argument espoused by all liberals! Congrats you did it!

Your argument is that someone with a child can simply avoid this stuff. But as we can see one adult who thought he had everything blocked could not avoid seeing someone’s avatar SHOVED IN HIS FACE.

And when you drive down the street and see a billboard that should be rated “R” that too is SHOVED in a childs face.

And when you pass the newsstand and see an inappropriate cover that too is SHOVED in a childs face.

And when you are watching television and a commercial comes on which depicts a more adult themed program that too is SHOVED in a childs face.

And when you flip the radio station and had (past tense:) to listen to Stern, that too is SHOVED in a childs face.

Look, I have said it before: there is a time and place for everything. But those who don’t think that this society is sex (and violence) obsessed and that it can and has harmed children should really think twice!
[/quote]

Don’t take my one statement and unravel into something it’s not. All I said was this:[quote]
Nobody is shoving this website into you or your children’s faces.[/quote]
Read that again, please. I didn’t say anything about billboards or magazines or radio. I said “this website.”

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
I find it irritating. Not that I’m a prude, but when I’m at work, it just does no good.

When you’re at work, shouldn’t you be, umm…working?[/quote]

It is called multi-tasking.

I like the naked hot chicks but I try to keep the kids from seeing it. Sometimes it is a pain in the ass.

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[quote]R@NE wrote:
Suppose the real problem with kids seeing that god awful avatar gasp is that too many parents teach their kids to associate all nudity with sexual acts.

It is not the picture itself that represents a threat to a childs mental stability, but the fact that they’ve been told (well morelike turned away) from the get go that all nudity will lead to perversion and is not acceptable by our society.

And ZEB… you might be old and experienced, just that it doesn’t automatically mean your ability to understand things is more evolved and better than ours who are younger and “less” experienced than you. Neither does it give you the right to be a smug Judgemental asshole. <<< Yay for the internet where I too can insult anyone without the fear of any… well anything what-so-ever. \0/

[/quote]

I like hearing from Finnish liberals. They make as much sense as liberals here in the USA. :slight_smile:

Oh and how many kids do you have?

Uh huh…

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[quote]hardcore_balla wrote:
ZEB,

How can you actually argue that societey is sex obsessed?

Nudity is taboo. Nudity is a direct relation to sex.

Yes the media and society drop sexual overtones constantly ie: music vids, pictures etc.

But sex obsessed? hardly. Hell most people can’t hardly even talk about it because they are sexually repressed.

[/quote]

My point is that we are getting more sex pushed in our childrens faces at an earlier age. And it’s not good!

“Watching sex on TV predicts and may hasten adolescent sexual initiation. Reducing the amount of sexual content in entertainment programming, reducing adolescent exposure to this content, or increasing references to and depictions of possible negative consequences of sexual activity could appreciably delay the initiation of coital and noncoital activities.”

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/114/3/e280

And parents don’t like it either:

"A 2001 Family Circle survey showed that 93% of respondents had turned off the TV or changed channels during a program because of sexual content.

A Kaiser Family Foundation survey released the same year indicated that 80% of parents were concerned about their children?s overexposure to sex and violence."

I know, I know they are all wrong and you guys who don’t have kids yet are all right. Tose crazy parents-What they heck are they thinking? What is it that they are seeing and feeling that you don’t quite get yet?

They must all be wrong huh?

Granted it’s always the parents responsiblity to steer their kids away from this stuff. The problem however is made more difficult by the medias lack of restraint.

Again, I think balance and some simple rules are needed. I think just about everything is appropriate at the right time and place.

Just common sense…

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
ZEB wrote:
malonetd wrote:
I get what you are saying, but that’s not the point here. You are trying to insert a new argument into this post.

Not really, it’s the same argument. I do plead guilty on trying to expand it however :wink:

The item originally being discussed was an avatar on T-Nation.com, formerly Testosterone.com. This is the same website that posts a scantily clad powerful image once a week; the same website where the editor-in-chief posts an article about his penis once every Friday.

And both of those things can be either blocked or avoided as you know what is coming. Someones avatar is simply THERE. Sort of like flipping the radio station and hearing Stern blurt out a word that is not suitable for a child.

Of course I don’t have that particular problem anymore as he is gone from the air waves and I don’t have satellite radio. That was a happy day :slight_smile:

Nobody is shoving this website into you or your children’s faces.

And that is the exact argument espoused by all liberals! Congrats you did it!

Your argument is that someone with a child can simply avoid this stuff. But as we can see one adult who thought he had everything blocked could not avoid seeing someone’s avatar SHOVED IN HIS FACE.

And when you drive down the street and see a billboard that should be rated “R” that too is SHOVED in a childs face.

And when you pass the newsstand and see an inappropriate cover that too is SHOVED in a childs face.

And when you are watching television and a commercial comes on which depicts a more adult themed program that too is SHOVED in a childs face.

And when you flip the radio station and had (past tense:) to listen to Stern, that too is SHOVED in a childs face.

Look, I have said it before: there is a time and place for everything. But those who don’t think that this society is sex (and violence) obsessed and that it can and has harmed children should really think twice!

Don’t take my one statement and unravel into something it’s not. All I said was this:
Nobody is shoving this website into you or your children’s faces.
Read that again, please. I didn’t say anything about billboards or magazines or radio. I said “this website.”[/quote]

Yes, I agree malonetd. I don’t have any of my kids any where near the computer when I log onto T-Nation for obvious reasons.

But in all fairness: One thing here, one thing there, and on and on and on. It gets a bit old.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Oh and how many kids do you have?

Uh huh…

[/quote]

This is terrible logic and I thought you were at least intelligent enough to see that.

You don’t always need first hand experience in a subject matter to criticze, offer advice, and/or make responsible decisions regarding said subject matter.

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Rule #3 T-Nation Guidelines (See, T-Nation FAQ):

  1. Messages must be appropriate for Testosterone. In other words, they must pertain to building muscle, losing fat, training, supplements, diet, anabolics, or basic Testosterone kinds of issues. Oh yes, to accommodate TC, the occasional “sex” thing’s cool, too. Just be mindful to reflect the Testosterone tone. As an example, if you’ve got a thing for farm animals, there are plenty of other forums out there that will fulfill your needs.
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[quote]malonetd wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Oh and how many kids do you have?

Uh huh…

This is terrible logic and I thought you were at least intelligent enough to see that.

You don’t always need first hand experience in a subject matter to criticze, offer advice, and/or make responsible decisions regarding said subject matter.[/quote]

Hell, if that were actually the case, nearly EVERYONE posting in the politics forum needs to quit immediately and turn off their computers. Zeb, of course, should never log into the Sex forum as well.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

I like hearing from Finnish liberals. They make as much sense as liberals here in the USA. :slight_smile:

Oh and how many kids do you have?

Uh huh…

[/quote]

I am more interested of what else you can judge me as being of… so far according to you I am a liberal moron.

What next (or do you need more material from me first… I doubt, since you seem to be an expert of knowing people without actually knowing them at all)?

Dealing with dumb folk like you has really lost it’s shine to me… I used to roll on laughter when I read T-Nation threads about how people fuck up, be ignorant and whatnot, but after a year or so of lurking around it has started to get real goddamn old.

Now I actually started to post here and I am wondering why the fuck do I do that, when I really don’t even have any usefull training/bodybuilding related information to share either at the moment… this does seem to kill time though, but I am still bored. (ZEB you can now go ahead and jump onto the assumption that I have no life at all.)

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Oh and how many kids do you have?

Uh huh…

This is terrible logic and I thought you were at least intelligent enough to see that.

You don’t always need first hand experience in a subject matter to criticze, offer advice, and/or make responsible decisions regarding said subject matter.[/quote]

And I thought you would be intelligent enough to realize the difference between when you DO need some experience and when you don’t!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
malonetd wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Oh and how many kids do you have?

Uh huh…

This is terrible logic and I thought you were at least intelligent enough to see that.

You don’t always need first hand experience in a subject matter to criticze, offer advice, and/or make responsible decisions regarding said subject matter.

Hell, if that were actually the case, nearly EVERYONE posting in the politics forum needs to quit immediately and turn off their computers. Zeb, of course, should never log into the Sex forum as well.[/quote]

I wonder how open minded you are when someone comes walking up to you in the gym who has never lifted weights and offeres you advice.

Oh that’s right, most people would be intelligent enough to know that if you don’t have the hands on experience with some things then you keep your mouth shut!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Aaaaah, the voice of reason.[/quote]

What is this “reason” you keep talking about?

I heard that a few people insist on it but they are not necessarily better off than those who don?t.

Why should I try to understand that reason thing again?

Orion aka stoned, angry and cynical…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
malonetd wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Oh and how many kids do you have?

Uh huh…

This is terrible logic and I thought you were at least intelligent enough to see that.

You don’t always need first hand experience in a subject matter to criticze, offer advice, and/or make responsible decisions regarding said subject matter.

Hell, if that were actually the case, nearly EVERYONE posting in the politics forum needs to quit immediately and turn off their computers. Zeb, of course, should never log into the Sex forum as well.[/quote]

Holyfuck!! Thank you Prof X. I have been missing that forum for some reason all together for the whole time I’ve been lurking here. Ignorant I know, I just figured it was about well you know… things going limp downbelow, seeking for advice to that, etc.

Took a good look onnit and whoa there’s all kinds of uhm… “stimulating information” there. :smiley:

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ZEB,

“always the parents responsibility to steer their kids away from this stuff”?

I think I know the context you mean but seriously come on. If you are steering your kids away form sex or any knowledge or hint of it, what are you doing? You are alienating your kids and forcing them to learn on their own. What does that lead to? More experimentation etc. Trust me, I know from a young lad’s experiences and also from others.

Sex or the knowledge of doesn’t make you a bad person. It is recognizing that knowledge and using it when it is proper (this is where the hard taught morals come in).

You mentioned tv etc. So you are planning on pretending that sex doesn’t exist until they hit the magical age of xx? What kind of idea is that? WHile sex on tv isn’t usually reality ie: perfect mood, perfect timing, perfectly beautiful people,etc it is true to form. What married couple doesn’t have sex/ What teenager doesn’t think about sex and wonder? Sheesh it almost sounds like your kids are going to grow up watching the discovery channel and the cooking channel… but wait, they have animal sex on the discovery channel so just the cooking channel.

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[quote]R@NE wrote:
ZEB wrote:

I like hearing from Finnish liberals. They make as much sense as liberals here in the USA. :slight_smile:

Oh and how many kids do you have?

Uh huh…

I am more interested of what else you can judge me as being of… so far according to you I am a liberal moron.[/quote]

This was one moronic statement:

If you had a clue as to the subject matter you would not have posted that one!

All I know about you is that you have 3 or 4 posts on T-Nation. And so far all of them are on this thread and none of them are very good. Sorry.

Spend more time on the strength threads. They really are great.

My guess is that the longer you stay on T-Nation the more you will learn regarding training.

I’m sure you have a great life. But posting on this forum is addicting.

I welcome you to T-Nation and apologize for calling you a moron. While you may have stated some moronic things regarding the subject matter on this particular thread, I’m sure you are not a moron.

:slight_smile: