My Apologies

The post that started it all:

"Now that you mention it would you mind changing your avatar? I sometimes log into T-Nation with my daughter on my lap and I find that offensive.

Thanks for understanding.

Mike"

It was a simple request and I asked politely. Didn’t mean to start a thread war.

I blocked the sex and the male animal part of the forum and some other things and thought I was safe. I was wrong.

I guess your right to show some girls naked butt trumps my desire to teach my daughter about lifting and fitness, at least on T-Nation.

No problem, most of the guys who are all for sex on here and on tv don’t have kids yet. As soon as you guys have a daughter I guarantee you’ll change your tune. Most of you that is.

[quote]firemedichcfr14 wrote:
The post that started it all:

"Now that you mention it would you mind changing your avatar? I sometimes log into T-Nation with my daughter on my lap and I find that offensive.

Thanks for understanding.

Mike"

It was a simple request and I asked politely. Didn’t mean to start a thread war.

I blocked the sex and the male animal part of the forum and some other things and thought I was safe. I was wrong.

I guess your right to show some girls naked butt trumps my desire to teach my daughter about lifting and fitness, at least on T-Nation.

No problem, most of the guys who are all for sex on here and on tv don’t have kids yet. As soon as you guys have a daughter I guarantee you’ll change your tune. Most of you that is. [/quote]

No one here wrote that there needs to be more sex on tv. This was about a picture of a NONsexually posed nude woman. It is you and your friend Zeb that turned into some expose on sex in the media. Again, not one of you seems to be able to answer the question asked straight forward without turning this into an issue of sex in the media. The question is, “WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH A KID SEEING THE BACKSIDE OF A NUDE WOMAN?”

[quote]Professor X wrote:
…, “WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH A KID SEEING THE BACKSIDE OF A NUDE WOMAN?”[/quote]

What he said.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
The thoughts and actions of so many individuals on this thread are exactly what is wrong with our country today.

I am sick of hear num-nut liberal wack-jobs cry about their “freedom of speech” be infringed upon. It’s time for a wake-up call.

Our founding fathers did not intend for you to parade nude women around on your avatar. You are an ignorant and insulting idiot for doing it.

You fools out there that think showing porn to your kids is OK - You are among the dumbest people to have ever walked the face of the earth. Your actions will affect your children, and when your daughter is going for the world gang-bang record, don’t come crying to me.

You guys that quote George Carlin because you think he said something cool - you need to grow a brain. If you learned to think for yourselves, you’d live a much longer and happier life.

You freaks can do what you want - don’t cram it down my throat. I don’t want to see it at work. I don’t want to see it at home. I don’t want to see it around my kids. I don’t want to see it around my wife.

I’d like to slap some of you freaks silly.

Then tell us, oh morally superior one, why the fuck did you log in today?

Notice I said, “FUCK”.[/quote]

You said what you said because you are an idiot. And, yes, I am morally superior to you, you little squirt.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
The thoughts and actions of so many individuals on this thread are exactly what is wrong with our country today.

I am sick of hear num-nut liberal wack-jobs cry about their “freedom of speech” be infringed upon. It’s time for a wake-up call.

Our founding fathers did not intend for you to parade nude women around on your avatar. You are an ignorant and insulting idiot for doing it.

You fools out there that think showing porn to your kids is OK - You are among the dumbest people to have ever walked the face of the earth. Your actions will affect your children, and when your daughter is going for the world gang-bang record, don’t come crying to me.

You guys that quote George Carlin because you think he said something cool - you need to grow a brain. If you learned to think for yourselves, you’d live a much longer and happier life.

You freaks can do what you want - don’t cram it down my throat. I don’t want to see it at work. I don’t want to see it at home. I don’t want to see it around my kids. I don’t want to see it around my wife.

I’d like to slap some of you freaks silly.

While I believe it is somewhat immature and irresponsible, I don’t take a hard line on this like you. It is up to the parents to take responsibility for sex. Just because someone sees the avatar does not mean they will be going for a gang bang record.

Yes, it’s irritating, I agree, but I’d rather take the road that these guys have no real imagination, are very young, and do not care what others think. They will come around eventually.

To me, having a naked chick as an avatar is just immaturishly lame, and shows no creativity, but that’s my opinion. Others might also think mine is lame and would prefer to see a hot chick.

We have to deal with it since it’s everywhere, but I can still NICELY present my argument.

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I’m glad you’re being nice about it. But, someone has got to tell 'em how it is. I’m going to be that someone.

I’m just giving the fools on this thread exactly what I needed when I was 18 years old.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Last point to make before I let so many fools wither away…

If you don’t have any kids, then your opinion is virtually worthless in this discussion.

Until you see that you are creating a world today that your children will live in tomorrow, you know nothing.

And, to all of you with kids who think that peddling porn is just a dandy-old thing to do - You guys make me sick.

I need to go hurl.

LOL! Dude, if you have kids, you just strengthened the point that many with kids don’t have a clue.[/quote]

Spoken from a man with no experience. You just keep sounding dumber and dumber.

Hey, was that you that played opposite of Jim Carey in that movie…what was it called…Dumb and what…

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
The thoughts and actions of so many individuals on this thread are exactly what is wrong with our country today.

I am sick of hear num-nut liberal wack-jobs cry about their “freedom of speech” be infringed upon. It’s time for a wake-up call.

Our founding fathers did not intend for you to parade nude women around on your avatar. You are an ignorant and insulting idiot for doing it.

You fools out there that think showing porn to your kids is OK - You are among the dumbest people to have ever walked the face of the earth. Your actions will affect your children, and when your daughter is going for the world gang-bang record, don’t come crying to me.

You guys that quote George Carlin because you think he said something cool - you need to grow a brain. If you learned to think for yourselves, you’d live a much longer and happier life.

You freaks can do what you want - don’t cram it down my throat. I don’t want to see it at work. I don’t want to see it at home. I don’t want to see it around my kids. I don’t want to see it around my wife.

I’d like to slap some of you freaks silly.

Then tell us, oh morally superior one, why the fuck did you log in today?

Notice I said, “FUCK”.

You said what you said because you are an idiot. And, yes, I am morally superior to you, you little squirt.[/quote]

LOL…I think just about everyone is with few exceptions.

[quote]firemedichcfr14 wrote:
The post that started it all:

"Now that you mention it would you mind changing your avatar? I sometimes log into T-Nation with my daughter on my lap and I find that offensive.

Thanks for understanding.

Mike"

It was a simple request and I asked politely. Didn’t mean to start a thread war.

I blocked the sex and the male animal part of the forum and some other things and thought I was safe. I was wrong.

I guess your right to show some girls naked butt trumps my desire to teach my daughter about lifting and fitness, at least on T-Nation.

No problem, most of the guys who are all for sex on here and on tv don’t have kids yet. As soon as you guys have a daughter I guarantee you’ll change your tune. Most of you that is. [/quote]

That is exactly the point Mike.

You can block powerful images and other things that you don’t want your daughter to see. I have.

But, we can’t block ProfessorX from flinging his little mouth off or some other fool for putting nude girls on his avatar. I just get angry because I see such a lack of respect, and they mock you for it.

If T-Nation is intended to be R-rated as I believe someone suggested, I would suggest that an adminisrator come on here and tell us. If that’s the case, we can all make our decision what we want to do.

[quote]firemedichcfr14 wrote:

LOL…I think just about everyone is with few exceptions.

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Mind you, “morally superior” must now mean basic insults. You guys are easy.

[quote]firemedichcfr14 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
The thoughts and actions of so many individuals on this thread are exactly what is wrong with our country today.

I am sick of hear num-nut liberal wack-jobs cry about their “freedom of speech” be infringed upon. It’s time for a wake-up call.

Our founding fathers did not intend for you to parade nude women around on your avatar. You are an ignorant and insulting idiot for doing it.

You fools out there that think showing porn to your kids is OK - You are among the dumbest people to have ever walked the face of the earth. Your actions will affect your children, and when your daughter is going for the world gang-bang record, don’t come crying to me.

You guys that quote George Carlin because you think he said something cool - you need to grow a brain. If you learned to think for yourselves, you’d live a much longer and happier life.

You freaks can do what you want - don’t cram it down my throat. I don’t want to see it at work. I don’t want to see it at home. I don’t want to see it around my kids. I don’t want to see it around my wife.

I’d like to slap some of you freaks silly.

Then tell us, oh morally superior one, why the fuck did you log in today?

Notice I said, “FUCK”.

You said what you said because you are an idiot. And, yes, I am morally superior to you, you little squirt.

LOL…I think just about everyone is with few exceptions.

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LOL - In addition to morals, ProfessorX needs a job to occupy his time.

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
A bunch of worthless, unintelligible drivel.
[/quote]
You’re a moron.

“He who establishes his argument by noise and command shows that his reason is weak.” Michel de Montaigne

This is supposed to be a discussion. Or even an argument. Not a contest to see who can contribute the least and insult the most. Or who can be the biggest asshole.

[quote]malonetd wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
A bunch of worthless, unintelligible drivel.

You’re a moron.[/quote]

You are calling me a moron because of the above statement? I didn’t write that you silly little man.

[quote]malonetd wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
A bunch of worthless, unintelligible drivel.

You’re a moron.[/quote]

You speak from a position of weakness, you’re not that bright. And you probably dress funny.

this is what it comes down to on these threads. Toss those insults out baby. LOL

[quote]terribleivan wrote:

I’m glad you’re being nice about it. But, someone has got to tell 'em how it is. I’m going to be that someone.

I’m just giving the fools on this thread exactly what I needed when I was 18 years old.
[/quote]

You need to go back a few years…14-18 years old…remember all the hot chicks we would post in our bedrooms…like Samantha Fox etc…(80’s)?

We would have put naked chicks up if our parents let us.

This is the mentality a lot of the T-kids have around here, so we can’t be too hard on the little tykes. We were once that way…at least I was up till around 20-23.

This is the internet so these guys can put up naked pics without mommy or daddy knowing.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
like Samantha Fox etc…(80’s)?

[/quote]

Damn, I haven’t heard that name in years. She was a fox too.

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

You said what you said because you are an idiot. And, yes, I am morally superior to you, you little squirt.[/quote]

LOL! Prof X = squirt! Hilarious!
By the way… terribleivan, people die for freedom in other countries for basic rights. Freedom. As this site is moderated (in the USA) and you’ve read and accepted the disclaimer to be a part of this forum, how is it that you object? You accept and object. Do I have that right? What?

People have different views and opinions. Fact of life. They are allowed. It’s called freedom of choice. Sorry that you don’t like someones freedom, but there it is. Conformity = boring. Diversity = interesting.

There may be a way to disable images on your browser, leaving you with nothing but text. That is your choice. I don’t know what to say about the vulgarity, though. It’s a rough world out there.

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

You said what you said because you are an idiot. And, yes, I am morally superior to you, you little squirt.[/quote]

LOL! Prof X = squirt! Hilarious!
By the way… terribleivan, people die for freedom in other countries for basic rights. Freedom. As this site is moderated (in the USA) and you’ve read and accepted the disclaimer to be a part of this forum, how is it that you object? You accept and object. Do I have that right? What?

People have different views and opinions. Fact of life. They are allowed. It’s called freedom of choice. Sorry that you don’t like someones freedom, but there it is. Conformity = boring. Diversity = interesting.

There may be a way to disable images on your browser, leaving you with nothing but text. That is your choice. I don’t know what to say about the vulgarity, though. It’s a rough world out there.

I found this topic absolutely amazing. MrChill comes on here and makes a sincere apology about offending people. Then firemedichcfr14 asks nicely that he change his avatar because his little girl sometimes sees this site when he is on it and he doesn’t feel like explaining it to her right now. All of a sudden, everyone jumps in and this explodes into a huge debate over the state of morality in this country. The interesting thing is that MrChill could have said, “I understand your feelings, but I like my avatar and I am going to keep it.” Request enterred, denied and now they could move on. Instead, we have a full out internet war between various parties with no real conclusions and only two main rants: (1) You don’t know because you don’t have kids, and (2) Just because you have kids doesn’t mean you know it all. This discussion only serves the purpose of having arguements and juvenile name calling between parties. Well I am here to tell both sides that you are both right. Just because you have kids doesn’t mean you know it all. Conversely, until you have kids you don’t know how things will turn out for you. Neither sides viewpoints are invalid, just different.

Before anyone gets on their moral high horse, I will tell you now. I am a parent. I have 2 children, one boy and one girl. I have been through the vomit, lost sleep, dirty diapers, first words, first steps, sending them to school and all that, so I am not a new parent. I had ideas about being a parent, some are turning out to be right, some aren’t. The reason for that is that kids do not come with an instruction manual.

When a child is born, parents don’t get granted supernatural parenting powers. We learn through trial and error, just like anything else. What works for one kid, may not for another. This is why I can say that just because you are a parent, doesn’t mean you have a right to dictate to other parents your values and morals. What is right and wrong for your kids may not be for other people’s children. You don’t know everything.

As far as those who are brand-new parents or have no children, no one can tell you what will work for you with your children. However, I will say that as the children come along, some viewpoints will change. It just happens, whether you want to recognize it or not. That’s life.

As far as the avatar is concerned, I don’t think that if my children saw it, they would be damaged for life. However, I recognize that T-Nation is not a child-friendly website. Its not supposed to be. Therefore, I don’t log in on it with my children around.

On last thing that I found interesting about this declining morality issue in the media. The ones who are complaining the most are the ones who are supposedly in favor of a free-market society. They are the ones who want more controls on the media under the pretext of “protecting the children”. Isn’t one of the tenents of a free-market society is less controls and interference from the government? You can’t have it both ways, either you have less controls and a free-market or you have more controls and a not-so free-market. Or is it only considered restrictive and controlling when it is people who don’t agree with YOUR viewpoints wanting controls? If you want the controls, then it is ok, but if it is someone not like you, it’s not? This sounds very hypocritical.

The fact is that in a free-market society, you are going to have the good with the bad. You have to manage it under your own sphere of influence and not try to control others to do it for you. The desire to have control the way you think is should be done is directly opposite of the concept of the free-market society. In other words: YOU have to turn off the TV. YOU have to turn off the radio. YOU have to pay attention to your children. YOU are the parent and are responsible for your children. No one else.

You have to do it yourself and not try to rely on some big corporation that is only interested in making money or some government entity that only want to have power over you and yours. That is the price you pay for a free-market society. Do I like everything about it? No, I don’t, but I wouldn’t want the alternative.

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
LOL - In addition to morals, ProfessorX needs a job to occupy his time.
[/quote]

You do realize that he is an M.D., right? As in physician, doctor of medicine, 4 years of college, 4 years of med school, 1 year internship, 2 years residency. What made you say a statement like this? I am assuming that lack of information is why.