Muslim Woman Competes in Weightlifting

orion · June 21, 2011, 1:01pm

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
The Quran is very much against offensive wars.
[/quote]

Which works quite well when you claim a need to defend against everything that you disagree with or don’t like.

“Hey, it was just self-defense when we flew those planes into those buildings!”

Everywhere Muslims go, they seem to find things that they need to “defend” themselves against, huh?

Hell, they even have to defend against other Muslims, it seems, given how often they kill each other (not to mention oppress each other) on religous grounds.[/quote]

Yeah well, that is of course something that only Muslims do.

[/quote]

Yep.

Pretty much, if we’re talking religion-based killing on a global scale.[/quote]

I like it how you cling to the religion bit, because not non muslims have ever killed for similar mass delusions.

Lets see, we had wars during the reformation, not quite global but extraordinairily bloody, than we did nationalism which was also fun, then we invented fascism and socialism and apparently decided that little shism with a healthy dose of both, but not before several hundred million died, we even exported it to all continents so those people could kill each other too.

Right now it is in the name of freedom and democracy, as if peoples life would suddenly be better if they could perform the magic ritual of voting.

Also, very, very bloody.

If you seriously believe that it makes a lick of difference whether you die for an all encompassing religious belief system instead of a secular one you have a rather particular taste when it comes to how you would like to die, but in the grand scheme of things it hardly matters.

gregron · June 21, 2011, 1:18pm

[quote]orion wrote:
I like it how you cling to the religion bit…
[/quote]

I could be wrong… But hasnt this entire thread been about Muslims?

orion · June 21, 2011, 1:35pm

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
The Quran is very much against offensive wars.
[/quote]

Which works quite well when you claim a need to defend against everything that you disagree with or don’t like.

“Hey, it was just self-defense when we flew those planes into those buildings!”

Everywhere Muslims go, they seem to find things that they need to “defend” themselves against, huh?

Hell, they even have to defend against other Muslims, it seems, given how often they kill each other (not to mention oppress each other) on religous grounds.[/quote]

Yeah well, that is of course something that only Muslims do.

[/quote]

Yep.

Pretty much, if we’re talking religion-based killing on a global scale.[/quote]

I like it how you cling to the religion bit, because not non muslims have ever killed for similar mass delusions.

Lets see, we had wars during the reformation, not quite global but extraordinairily bloody, than we did nationalism which was also fun, then we invented fascism and socialism and apparently decided that little shism with a healthy dose of both, but not before several hundred million died, we even exported it to all continents so those people could kill each other too.

Right now it is in the name of freedom and democracy, as if peoples life would suddenly be better if they could perform the magic ritual of voting.

Also, very, very bloody.
[/quote]

All of those have been criticized and condemned over and over for those reasons, including by you.

But because they took place, we’re now supposed to give Islam a pass?

Why aren’t YOU condemning Islam, if it’s as bad as what you list?[/quote]

Because they basically fuck up their own lifes and the pathethic little resitance they can put up against Western aggression is mostly directed against occupiers and those incidents where they were actually able to cause mayhem outside of the Middle East the numbers are insignificant.

You are much more likely to die in your bathtub than being killed by a terrorist, yet noone has called a war on bathtubs, including wars, Patriot act, monitoring of bank accounts, Guantanamo, torture and whatnot.

Terrorism is a non issue, the reaction to this nonissue by Western nations is a catastrophe and meek acceptance of it by their peoples is the only positive fact in all of this because at least we know for a fact that they deserve what they have coming.

orion · June 21, 2011, 1:37pm

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I like it how you cling to the religion bit…
[/quote]

I could be wrong… But hasnt this entire thread been about Muslims?[/quote]

No, it is now about people who see the speck of sawdust in their brothers eye and ignore the planlk in their own.

gregron · June 21, 2011, 1:45pm

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I like it how you cling to the religion bit…
[/quote]

I could be wrong… But hasnt this entire thread been about Muslims?[/quote]

No, it is now about people who see the speck of sawdust in their brothers eye and ignore the planlk in their own.[/quote]

So you’ve changed the topic in order to justify what is being done in the name of Allah because other people throughout history have done bad things as well?

gregron · June 21, 2011, 2:03pm

[quote]orion wrote:
…and those incidents where they were actually able to cause mayhem outside of the Middle East the numbers are insignificant.
[/quote]

The 9/11 attacks were “insignificant?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “insignificant?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “insignificant?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “insignificant?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “insignificant?”
The united states embassy were “insignificant?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “insignificant?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “insignificant?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “insignificant?”
Ect…

The 9/11 attacks were “a non issue?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “a non issue?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “a non issue?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “a non issue?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “a non issue?”
The united states embassy were “a non issue?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “a non issue?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “a non issue?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “a non issue?”
Ect…

orion · June 21, 2011, 2:24pm

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
…and those incidents where they were actually able to cause mayhem outside of the Middle East the numbers are insignificant.
[/quote]

The 9/11 attacks were “insignificant?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “insignificant?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “insignificant?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “insignificant?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “insignificant?”
The united states embassy were “insignificant?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “insignificant?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “insignificant?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “insignificant?”
Ect…

The 9/11 attacks were “a non issue?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “a non issue?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “a non issue?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “a non issue?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “a non issue?”
The united states embassy were “a non issue?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “a non issue?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “a non issue?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “a non issue?”
Ect…[/quote]

Yes, they were.

That they were hyped up to be big media events is another matter, but practically speaking the chances of you dying in a terrorist attack are as close to zero as to make no difference.

gregron · June 21, 2011, 2:30pm

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
…and those incidents where they were actually able to cause mayhem outside of the Middle East the numbers are insignificant.
[/quote]

The 9/11 attacks were “insignificant?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “insignificant?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “insignificant?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “insignificant?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “insignificant?”
The united states embassy were “insignificant?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “insignificant?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “insignificant?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “insignificant?”
Ect…

The 9/11 attacks were “a non issue?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “a non issue?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “a non issue?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “a non issue?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “a non issue?”
The united states embassy were “a non issue?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “a non issue?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “a non issue?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “a non issue?”
Ect…[/quote]

Yes, they were…

[/quote]

Just to double clarify, you think all of those events and the thousands of innocent civilians who were murdered are “insignificant non issues”?

sam_sneed1 · June 21, 2011, 2:34pm

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
…and those incidents where they were actually able to cause mayhem outside of the Middle East the numbers are insignificant.
[/quote]

The 9/11 attacks were “insignificant?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “insignificant?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “insignificant?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “insignificant?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “insignificant?”
The united states embassy were “insignificant?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “insignificant?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “insignificant?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “insignificant?”
Ect…

The 9/11 attacks were “a non issue?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “a non issue?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “a non issue?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “a non issue?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “a non issue?”
The united states embassy were “a non issue?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “a non issue?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “a non issue?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “a non issue?”
Ect…[/quote]

Yes, they were.

That they were hyped up to be big media events is another matter, but practically speaking the chances of you dying in a terrorist attack are as close to zero as to make no difference.

[/quote]

I worked 6 blocks from the TWC in 2001. This whole time I thought that it was a significant event in my life. I guess I was wrong. I’ll tell my best friends sister who barely made it out of the tower as well that she can just get over it too since it wasn’t very significant. I basically worked on the same block as the NYSE, no risk for a terrorist attack there either right?

It was all hype. Thanks for setting me straight.

orion · June 21, 2011, 2:42pm

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
…and those incidents where they were actually able to cause mayhem outside of the Middle East the numbers are insignificant.
[/quote]

The 9/11 attacks were “insignificant?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “insignificant?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “insignificant?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “insignificant?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “insignificant?”
The united states embassy were “insignificant?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “insignificant?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “insignificant?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “insignificant?”
Ect…

The 9/11 attacks were “a non issue?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “a non issue?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “a non issue?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “a non issue?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “a non issue?”
The united states embassy were “a non issue?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “a non issue?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “a non issue?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “a non issue?”
Ect…[/quote]

Yes, they were…

[/quote]

Just to double clarify, you think all of those events and the thousands of innocent civilians who were murdered are “insignificant non issues”?
[/quote]

Yes.

People die and there is nothing you can do about it.

Accept it and move on.

Now you may think that it is somehow different if other people try to kill you on purpose, well, then imagine how people feel if hundreds of thousands die because their sewage and water treatment systems are destroyed and they have to deal with an embargo on top of it.

Such actions seem to inspire some of those entirely insignificant incidents you seem to care so much about, so reacting to it does not make it better, it makes it worse, kind of like scratching an itching mosquito bite.

orion · June 21, 2011, 2:43pm

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
…and those incidents where they were actually able to cause mayhem outside of the Middle East the numbers are insignificant.
[/quote]

The 9/11 attacks were “insignificant?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “insignificant?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “insignificant?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “insignificant?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “insignificant?”
The united states embassy were “insignificant?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “insignificant?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “insignificant?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “insignificant?”
Ect…

The 9/11 attacks were “a non issue?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “a non issue?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “a non issue?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “a non issue?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “a non issue?”
The united states embassy were “a non issue?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “a non issue?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “a non issue?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “a non issue?”
Ect…[/quote]

Yes, they were.

That they were hyped up to be big media events is another matter, but practically speaking the chances of you dying in a terrorist attack are as close to zero as to make no difference.

[/quote]

I worked 6 blocks from the TWC in 2001. This whole time I thought that it was a significant event in my life. I guess I was wrong. I’ll tell my best friends sister who barely made it out of the tower as well that she can just get over it too since it wasn’t very significant. I basically worked on the same block as the NYSE, no risk for a terrorist attack there either right?

It was all hype. Thanks for setting me straight.
[/quote]

No problem.

reddog6376 · June 21, 2011, 2:50pm

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
The Quran is very much against offensive wars.
[/quote]

Which works quite well when you claim a need to defend against everything that you disagree with or don’t like.

“Hey, it was just self-defense when we flew those planes into those buildings!”

Everywhere Muslims go, they seem to find things that they need to “defend” themselves against, huh?

Hell, they even have to defend against other Muslims, it seems, given how often they kill each other (not to mention oppress each other) on religous grounds.[/quote]

Yeah well, that is of course something that only Muslims do.

[/quote]

Yep.

Pretty much, if we’re talking religion-based killing on a global scale.[/quote]

I like it how you cling to the religion bit, because not non muslims have ever killed for similar mass delusions.

Lets see, we had wars during the reformation, not quite global but extraordinairily bloody, than we did nationalism which was also fun, then we invented fascism and socialism and apparently decided that little shism with a healthy dose of both, but not before several hundred million died, we even exported it to all continents so those people could kill each other too.

Right now it is in the name of freedom and democracy, as if peoples life would suddenly be better if they could perform the magic ritual of voting.

Also, very, very bloody.
[/quote]

All of those have been criticized and condemned over and over for those reasons, including by you.

But because they took place, we’re now supposed to give Islam a pass?

Why aren’t YOU condemning Islam, if it’s as bad as what you list?[/quote]

Because they basically fuck up their own lifes and the pathethic little resitance they can put up against Western aggression is mostly directed against occupiers and those incidents where they were actually able to cause mayhem outside of the Middle East the numbers are insignificant.

You are much more likely to die in your bathtub than being killed by a terrorist, yet noone has called a war on bathtubs, including wars, Patriot act, monitoring of bank accounts, Guantanamo, torture and whatnot.

Terrorism is a non issue, the reaction to this nonissue by Western nations is a catastrophe and meek acceptance of it by their peoples is the only positive fact in all of this because at least we know for a fact that they deserve what they have coming.[/quote]

Not your best argument. Bathtubs did not activily attack anyone, terrorists did. By your logic Pearl Harbor was a non-event as it only killet ~60 civilians, and only ~2900 total. I take that back, your’s was a downright stupid argument.

bcingu · June 21, 2011, 2:50pm

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
…and those incidents where they were actually able to cause mayhem outside of the Middle East the numbers are insignificant.
[/quote]

The 9/11 attacks were “insignificant?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “insignificant?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “insignificant?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “insignificant?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “insignificant?”
The united states embassy were “insignificant?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “insignificant?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “insignificant?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “insignificant?”
Ect…

The 9/11 attacks were “a non issue?”
The multiple bombings in Londons underground were “a non issue?”
The amsterdam born filmmaker who was murdered was “a non issue?”
The multiple train bombings in Spain were “a non issue?”
The attack on the USS Cole was “a non issue?”
The united states embassy were “a non issue?”
The Air France flight being hijacked was “a non issue?”
The WTC bombing in 93 was “a non issue?”
Pan Am flight 103 was “a non issue?”
Ect…[/quote]

Yes, they were…

[/quote]

Just to double clarify, you think all of those events and the thousands of innocent civilians who were murdered are “insignificant non issues”?
[/quote]

Yes.

People die and there is nothing you can do about it.

Accept it and move on.

Now you may think that it is somehow different if other people try to kill you on purpose, well, then imagine how people feel if hundreds of thousands die because their sewage and water treatment systems are destroyed and they have to deal with an embargo on top of it.

Such actions seem to inspire some of those entirely insignificant incidents you seem to care so much about, so reacting to it does not make it better, it makes it worse, kind of like scratching an itching mosquito bite.

[/quote]

Well then I can only hope that something similar happens to your family, as it did to mine in NY. Be sure to make a thread about it when it occurs, so that I can trivialize your pain. Thx

reddog6376 · June 21, 2011, 2:52pm

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:

Jesus. While I’m sure some people did celebrate the attacks, my question is this:

How do you KNOW the footage captured is of people SPECIFICALLY celebrating the 9/11 attacks? How do you know it’s not random footage of people cheering for something else? Are they speaking English? Or are you relying on the new anchor’s words of “you see people cheering an Osama Bin Laden victory…etc.”

How the fuck are you guys forfeiting your common sense in this case? Why aren’t you questioning the authenticity of the footage?

Come on. Stop being sheep. [/quote]

Stop ignoring facts. Palestinians Dancing in the Street | Snopes.com

orion · June 21, 2011, 2:59pm

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
The Quran is very much against offensive wars.
[/quote]

Which works quite well when you claim a need to defend against everything that you disagree with or don’t like.

“Hey, it was just self-defense when we flew those planes into those buildings!”

Everywhere Muslims go, they seem to find things that they need to “defend” themselves against, huh?

Hell, they even have to defend against other Muslims, it seems, given how often they kill each other (not to mention oppress each other) on religous grounds.[/quote]

Yeah well, that is of course something that only Muslims do.

[/quote]

Yep.

Pretty much, if we’re talking religion-based killing on a global scale.[/quote]

I like it how you cling to the religion bit, because not non muslims have ever killed for similar mass delusions.

Lets see, we had wars during the reformation, not quite global but extraordinairily bloody, than we did nationalism which was also fun, then we invented fascism and socialism and apparently decided that little shism with a healthy dose of both, but not before several hundred million died, we even exported it to all continents so those people could kill each other too.

Right now it is in the name of freedom and democracy, as if peoples life would suddenly be better if they could perform the magic ritual of voting.

Also, very, very bloody.
[/quote]

All of those have been criticized and condemned over and over for those reasons, including by you.

But because they took place, we’re now supposed to give Islam a pass?

Why aren’t YOU condemning Islam, if it’s as bad as what you list?[/quote]

Because they basically fuck up their own lifes and the pathethic little resitance they can put up against Western aggression is mostly directed against occupiers and those incidents where they were actually able to cause mayhem outside of the Middle East the numbers are insignificant.

You are much more likely to die in your bathtub than being killed by a terrorist, yet noone has called a war on bathtubs, including wars, Patriot act, monitoring of bank accounts, Guantanamo, torture and whatnot.

Terrorism is a non issue, the reaction to this nonissue by Western nations is a catastrophe and meek acceptance of it by their peoples is the only positive fact in all of this because at least we know for a fact that they deserve what they have coming.[/quote]

Not your best argument. Bathtubs did not activily attack anyone, terrorists did. By your logic Pearl Harbor was a non-event as it only killet ~60 civilians, and only ~2900 total. I take that back, your’s was a downright stupid argument.
[/quote]

Nonsense, Japan had a fully functional army and that was only the beginning.

The people you think of have AK 47 they tinkered together in their 12th century style smithies and homemade IEDs.

reddog6376 · June 21, 2011, 3:03pm