k the thing is,am a thai boxer but i need some weight lifting,alot of my friends suggest that i finish my muaythai class than head to weight lifting cuz by doing so ill increase my fat loss,where as other suggest doing it the other way around?
and the 2nd question is thaai boxing considered a caardio and will it help in shedding more fat or not?
[quote]waelkd wrote:
k the thing is,am a thai boxer but i need some weight lifting,alot of my friends suggest that i finish my muaythai class than head to weight lifting cuz by doing so ill increase my fat loss,where as other suggest doing it the other way around?
and the 2nd question is thaai boxing considered a caardio and will it help in shedding more fat or not?[/quote]
Just go to weight lifting when you feel strong, so you have good workouts.
I would say muaythai can be cardio depending on how active you are durring training. If your wrestling around and doing drills most of the time then yeah.
[quote]waelkd wrote:
k the thing is,am a thai boxer but i need some weight lifting,alot of my friends suggest that i finish my muaythai class than head to weight lifting cuz by doing so ill increase my fat loss,where as other suggest doing it the other way around?
and the 2nd question is thaai boxing considered a caardio and will it help in shedding more fat or not?[/quote]
You should do it either 8-10 hours earlier in the same day or preferably on another separate day altogether.
It is a very old and untrue idea to train with weights before or after a MT training session.
Would you have an awesome workout before heading off to an archery session? I’m talking about pulling 100-200 pound strung bows. Obviously not because fatigue would have gotten the better of you and destroyed your ability to aim and focus properly.
Likewise any weight work after an archery session is not going to be as productive.
MT is only considered “cardio” if you train like a nancy and pitter patter the pads, bags and other equipment.
If you’re training properly it is more anaerobic / lactic acid threshold style training with slight emphasis on the aerobic system.
Aerobic energy pathways utilize completely different fuels and fiber types than Anaerobic / lactic acid energy pathways.
Yes you need to first have an Aerobic base and a fairly good one at that but that is done prior to establishing your anaerobic / lactic acid threshold base. Otherwise you’re going to get your training and fighting all wrong.
I love watching ultra fit marathoners come into our gym and get destroyed on 1 single round of 3 minute pad work.
In response to humble post, cardio and aerobic are different stuff, 400m sprints are sure “cardio” but are not aerobic, anything that demands endurance in a big percentage of total muscle mass will put stress on the cardio system. So thai boxing is a cardio activity and helps to burn fat for sure.
On the weight training question, if you are not a professional fighter probably you cant do what is optimal: separate the sessions by several hours, but you can do your weight training before the muay thai, specialy if its more strength, low volume session, or after if you have some energy left… there are lots of fighters who do that (including top level fighters)and even if its not optimal, the body ends up getting used and you can benefit from both sessions.
I’d definitely consider your muay Thai classes to count as conditioning. Unless you have a huge class and are forced to sit for minutes at a time, you’re likely in an active state for most of the class.
As for weight training, you’re going to see more positive gains if you do it on the days you’re not taking a class. If that’s not possible, then try and lift in the morning and go to class in the evening; or vice versa.
[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
I’d definitely consider your muay Thai classes to count as conditioning. Unless you have a huge class and are forced to sit for minutes at a time, you’re likely in an active state for most of the class.
As for weight training, you’re going to see more positive gains if you do it on the days you’re not taking a class. If that’s not possible, then try and lift in the morning and go to class in the evening; or vice versa.[/quote]
I 2nd this. Thai boxing will help you lose fat so long as you don’t train like pussy. If you get tired and sit down all the time then no. But if you stay tough and go start to finish with balls then you should be fine. If you are really concerned about fat then get your skipping going previous to class. About 15 - 20 mins of skipping will help the shit out of your fat loss and be a great warm up.
And yeah try not to train weights before class because your nervous system will not be in a good state to learn the muscle patterning needed for MT. Doing weights after will just result in a piss poor effort under the bar. separate that shit.
-chris
[quote]Sagat wrote:
In response to humble post, cardio and aerobic are different stuff, 400m sprints are sure “cardio” but are not aerobic, anything that demands endurance in a big percentage of total muscle mass will put stress on the cardio system. So thai boxing is a cardio activity and helps to burn fat for sure.
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I don’t really understand what you’ve written here. Could you explain a little more?
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On the weight training question, if you are not a professional fighter probably you cant do what is optimal: separate the sessions by several hours, but you can do your weight training before the muay thai, specialy if its more strength, low volume session, or after if you have some energy left… there are lots of fighters who do that (including top level fighters)and even if its not optimal, the body ends up getting used and you can benefit from both sessions.[/quote]
Who are the fighters you speak of?
I found that lifting heavy(basic compound exercises) on the days I do not train Muay Thai helps me keep my strength…I do running conditioning early morning on the days I train Muay Thai since my class is not till 8pm.
Remember, even though Muay Thai is counted as conditioning, you still need energy for technique which should be priority in classes anyways…but as your body adjusts and gets in shape you should be fine as long as you train smart.
Im a thai boxer aswell, ive been doing muay thai from jan this year and up untill sept 1 lost nearly 2 stone just by introducing some light weights and watchin what i was eating, ive now put a stone back on but in lean size as im lifting heavier wieghts than before. Muay thai on its own is a great way to lose weight but you need variation as your body just gets used to the routine your in.
i find in order to try and manage my weight i sometimes do more thai one week then more weights the next just keep variating it as much as u can. Another good idea is have a look on the net at how the thai people manage their weight pre-fight as they are masters at it. Ill have a look myself aswell if i can fidn anything ill post it here for you.
[quote]humble wrote:
Sagat wrote:
In response to humble post, cardio and aerobic are different stuff, 400m sprints are sure “cardio” but are not aerobic, anything that demands endurance in a big percentage of total muscle mass will put stress on the cardio system. So thai boxing is a cardio activity and helps to burn fat for sure.
I don’t really understand what you’ve written here. Could you explain a little more?
On the weight training question, if you are not a professional fighter probably you cant do what is optimal: separate the sessions by several hours, but you can do your weight training before the muay thai, specialy if its more strength, low volume session, or after if you have some energy left… there are lots of fighters who do that (including top level fighters)and even if its not optimal, the body ends up getting used and you can benefit from both sessions.
Who are the fighters you speak of?[/quote]
Sorry, but english is not my first language, so i think sometimes what i write is hard to understand… What i meant is that cardio it is not the same that aerobics. Anaerobic exercise that uses a large percentage of the body muscle mass(think of sprints or fighting, and not barbell curls) put a lot of cardio-respiratory demand on the body. So cardio can be anaerobic, and Muay Thai could be considered cardio.
Who are the fighters that do this? Lots of average guys who lift and train martial arts do this, but also most of the professional mma fighters in my gym(RFT) train this way. I think it is easier psychologically for them, have fewer and longer sessions during the day.
Simplified: if you can lift in the mornings or on days you don’t train MT, do so.
If not, I would recommend at least a couple hours separation between the two(again, if possible).
If you are only training MT 3x/week, you can easily throw in 2-3 total body lift days, or alternating upper/lower splits, and achieve your goals.
If you are training 5x per week, then try to lift in the morning or around lunch if possible, if not possible then try to lift 2-3 hours before going to class. Another viable option(in addition to lifting as available during the week) for a 5x per week Thai schedule would be a full-body strength circtui on Sat, followed by nothing on Sunday(for regen).