Most BodyBuilders Look Like Crap

system · May 9, 2011, 12:23pm

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I would say if you are 40+ and just maintaining your body weight as you get older, unless you are really into bodybuilding and focused on body composition, it is likely you are losing muscle and gaining body fat unless you are seeing regular progress in the gym.

Someone like that could end up at age 50, weighing the same as they did at 40, yet carrying an extra 20-30lbs of body fat.

To my knowledge, many of the people responding aren’t even into bodybuilding actively meaning you can’t relate their actions to someone who is.[/quote]

as guys get chronologically older, alot of times their test turns to estrogen. thats why a good AI would prevent that and keep these guys from losing muscle and gaining fat. plus there are tons of supplements out there that can prevent the loss of test. you guys really need to check out the latest supplements a bit more. [/quote]

You wreak of “Dumbfuck”

And I lol’d hard at the twilight analogy. Well done fattroll
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its good that you had a laugh. i also laughed at the fat troll comment. given most guys in any gym would chew their own mothers arm off to have my chest size and shoulder width. but back to the twighlight comment. yes i realize it was a movie. but i was simply making a point that obviously went over your head. i simply meant that it doesn’t matter what your age is, people don’t know how old you are. people only go by what they see. if they see youthful, then you will be percieved as young. [/quote]

I find it sort of funny that youve completely derailed a thread to talk about how you wish you were a vampire and are also happen to be EXACTLY the type of person being referred to when the author said “most bodybuilders look like crap”.

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that article has come under attack by quite a few people. lets get real. that article is for small guys to complain. to make excuses. “oh, its much better to be small and lean” even though once you put on a shirt, nobody even knows you workout. yep, sign me up for that. no thanks, ill stick with my 58 inch chest and 20+ inch arms and mile wide shoulders and back. that article was written by one guy with an opinion to help small guys feel better cause they aren’t big. [/quote]

I didnt even read the article. I was just raising the point that youve said you consider yourself a bodybuilder and are also a fatty. That’s all.
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a fatty, lol. my pic says fatty to you. granted, im not ripped, but just cause one isn’t shredded, doesn’t make one fat.

system · May 9, 2011, 12:25pm

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I would say if you are 40+ and just maintaining your body weight as you get older, unless you are really into bodybuilding and focused on body composition, it is likely you are losing muscle and gaining body fat unless you are seeing regular progress in the gym.

Someone like that could end up at age 50, weighing the same as they did at 40, yet carrying an extra 20-30lbs of body fat.

To my knowledge, many of the people responding aren’t even into bodybuilding actively meaning you can’t relate their actions to someone who is.[/quote]

as guys get chronologically older, alot of times their test turns to estrogen. thats why a good AI would prevent that and keep these guys from losing muscle and gaining fat. plus there are tons of supplements out there that can prevent the loss of test. you guys really need to check out the latest supplements a bit more. [/quote]

You wreak of “Dumbfuck”

And I lol’d hard at the twilight analogy. Well done fattroll
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its good that you had a laugh. i also laughed at the fat troll comment. given most guys in any gym would chew their own mothers arm off to have my chest size and shoulder width. but back to the twighlight comment. yes i realize it was a movie. but i was simply making a point that obviously went over your head. i simply meant that it doesn’t matter what your age is, people don’t know how old you are. people only go by what they see. if they see youthful, then you will be percieved as young. [/quote]

I find it sort of funny that youve completely derailed a thread to talk about how you wish you were a vampire and are also happen to be EXACTLY the type of person being referred to when the author said “most bodybuilders look like crap”.

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that article has come under attack by quite a few people. lets get real. that article is for small guys to complain. to make excuses. “oh, its much better to be small and lean” even though once you put on a shirt, nobody even knows you workout. yep, sign me up for that. no thanks, ill stick with my 58 inch chest and 20+ inch arms and mile wide shoulders and back. that article was written by one guy with an opinion to help small guys feel better cause they aren’t big. [/quote]

Couldn’t help but notice the lack of a waist measurement in there, got some love handles that boost it a bit too high for your liking?[/quote]

Dude who lies about his age might just lie about other things anyhow.[/quote]

like i said, you can’t lie about something you don’t beleive in.

system · May 9, 2011, 12:27pm

[quote]thick88 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I would say if you are 40+ and just maintaining your body weight as you get older, unless you are really into bodybuilding and focused on body composition, it is likely you are losing muscle and gaining body fat unless you are seeing regular progress in the gym.

Someone like that could end up at age 50, weighing the same as they did at 40, yet carrying an extra 20-30lbs of body fat.

To my knowledge, many of the people responding aren’t even into bodybuilding actively meaning you can’t relate their actions to someone who is.[/quote]
Wow, Too bring it back to before massive derail, This post struck a chord as being right on. Turned 41 in Nov. & while lift #'s kept going up, seemingly only size increase was my waist.

I’ve had to get fanatical with my focus on body comp, with my food log, & conditioning. Lifts still improving & body fat is better then it’s been for awhile, but the fight has never been this hard. I can only assume it’ll get rougher.

I think many people when they hit this wall give up, or maintain while slowly slipping towards fat as Prof X said. [/quote]

have you ever tried some estrogen blockers or an ai. your gaining fat cause of the elevation in estrogen levels.

Ct_Rockula · May 9, 2011, 12:36pm

Damn homie

DJHT · May 9, 2011, 12:48pm

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
Poliquin once mentioned that ‘coaches’ often end up recommending what has worked for them in the past and he continued saying that this could be a big mistake. I have come to agree. Some of the size monsters, who, because of their popularity and many posts have become ‘coaches’ on this forum seem to have fallen in this category and they don’t seem to realize that, even though they can handle it well, there are very few individuals who can handle closing in on 300lbs at less then 6 foot tall.

I started out at 116lbs at 6 feet tall and have gone as high as 290lbs while staying under 20% body fat. I ended up with a raw total of 1715lbs (so it was not all show and no go) and never really lost my power and speed from my soccer days.

HOWEVER, my health markers slowly but surely deteriorated, and this was with conditioning and playing recreational foot ball in the weekends. A ‘generally and persistent’ feeling of unease was constantly with me, and even though I did not have a fat waist at that size, I would lose breath while sitting and trying to tie my shoelaces.

I have always had the desire to be super hero huge, probably because I was thin, frail and sickly as a young man. At 16 being 6 feet tall, less then 120 lbs with reddish hair, freckles and pasty white skin life isn’t easy :). I wish though, that someone had been able to stop me from going too far. For my thin frame and health it would have been better if I had stayed under 235lbs (mind you, this was Arnold’s weight when competing, and he is my height). Battling testicular cancer for the last 2 years has forced me to re-think my goals.

Part of the problem, I think, is that our generation has gotten to the point of “size at all costs” and “results immediately”. Hear me out for a moment, that does not always mean using steroids to get there. Even the natural ones have gotten this way. When did cheeseburgers and pizza become part of the bodybuilding lifestyle? Granted, when you make them yourself at home with fresh ingredients it is a different story but it is, when you really think of it, kind of retarded. And mind you, that’s coming from a guy who has eaten a field of cows in his day

When did the focus on health get put into last place? And I am fully aware that men like X never mentioned to become obese. Not what or who I am referring to.

Would it not be more hard-core to learn to eat 6000 calories (if that is how much you need to eat to grow) a day from good foods only? yes that is very difficult, BUT it can be done. Is part of body-BUILDING not building your lungs, digestive system and heart muscle as well? I know the functional guys went nuts on us for a while but men like us should not get winded helping friends move furniture. We should be the one left standing asking if we could do more (just an example to prove a point not that we get winded picked up a couch or two…).

Another thing I see happening a lot is putting people down who have a different definition of body-BUILDING. Is aspiring to look like Zane of Dickerson or Samir Bannout or Shelby or Dr. Clay etc etc, not a worthwhile body building goal? And no this is not my goal. I prefer/wish to look like Vic Richards BUT I do respect those who don’t want the same and do my best to help them. Respect and helping people reach THEIR goals, however different from yours, seems to have been lost on these forums, in my opinion.

This is not our forum, we do not own T-Nation, we do not have the right to put other clients down for what they wish to achieve, however stupid we might think it is what they want. It is cool enough that T-Nation allows us to say most of what we want to say but we really shouldn’t. Like my daddy used to say:“If you don’t have anything helpful to bring to the table, go outside”.

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Great Post. Internet High Five.[/quote]

Thank you sir.

Damn, I LOL every time I see your avatar
Lost a bet, huh?
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Yea and I am a man of honor even on the internet. I may never live this one down though.

Ct_Rockula · May 9, 2011, 1:16pm

So you guys hate this vampire and not me anymore,right?

Stern · May 9, 2011, 2:08pm

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
So you guys hate this vampire and not me anymore,right?
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Yer fucking awesome. The other one, well… did I mention yer fucking awesome?

BONEZ217 · May 9, 2011, 3:23pm

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]thick88 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I would say if you are 40+ and just maintaining your body weight as you get older, unless you are really into bodybuilding and focused on body composition, it is likely you are losing muscle and gaining body fat unless you are seeing regular progress in the gym.

Someone like that could end up at age 50, weighing the same as they did at 40, yet carrying an extra 20-30lbs of body fat.

To my knowledge, many of the people responding aren’t even into bodybuilding actively meaning you can’t relate their actions to someone who is.[/quote]
Wow, Too bring it back to before massive derail, This post struck a chord as being right on. Turned 41 in Nov. & while lift #'s kept going up, seemingly only size increase was my waist.

I’ve had to get fanatical with my focus on body comp, with my food log, & conditioning. Lifts still improving & body fat is better then it’s been for awhile, but the fight has never been this hard. I can only assume it’ll get rougher.

I think many people when they hit this wall give up, or maintain while slowly slipping towards fat as Prof X said. [/quote]

have you ever tried some estrogen blockers or an ai. your gaining fat cause of the elevation in estrogen levels. [/quote]

Explain to us how estrogen rises in men as they age.

<100 words please.

sam_sneed1 · May 9, 2011, 3:47pm

“I sometimes shudder to think how many kids we inadvertently ruined on T Nation by allowing forum members to bully young guys Ã¢?? young guys who had the makings of great, Doogan-esque physiques Ã¢?? into bulking up and turning into the aforementioned manatees.”

And what kind of progress would these kids be making if they hadn’t been “bullied” into bulking up?

If they were too dumb to pay attention to how strong they were (or weren’t) getting AND how much fat they were putting on, what makes TC think they would’ve figured out how to build a “Doogan-esque” physique? Not working hard and not paying attention to what you eat makes for a shitty physique regardless of whether your bulking or training to put muscle on more slowly.

sam_sneed1 · May 9, 2011, 3:32pm

I put that roguevampire on my ignore list but you guys keep quoting him so I still see the stupidity. Please stop lol.

system · May 9, 2011, 3:37pm

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]thick88 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I would say if you are 40+ and just maintaining your body weight as you get older, unless you are really into bodybuilding and focused on body composition, it is likely you are losing muscle and gaining body fat unless you are seeing regular progress in the gym.

Someone like that could end up at age 50, weighing the same as they did at 40, yet carrying an extra 20-30lbs of body fat.

To my knowledge, many of the people responding aren’t even into bodybuilding actively meaning you can’t relate their actions to someone who is.[/quote]
Wow, Too bring it back to before massive derail, This post struck a chord as being right on. Turned 41 in Nov. & while lift #'s kept going up, seemingly only size increase was my waist.

I’ve had to get fanatical with my focus on body comp, with my food log, & conditioning. Lifts still improving & body fat is better then it’s been for awhile, but the fight has never been this hard. I can only assume it’ll get rougher.

I think many people when they hit this wall give up, or maintain while slowly slipping towards fat as Prof X said. [/quote]

have you ever tried some estrogen blockers or an ai. your gaining fat cause of the elevation in estrogen levels. [/quote]

Explain to us how estrogen rises in men as they age.

<100 words please. [/quote]

Testosterone aromatises into estrogen. why exactly that happens, im not sure if i have ever read why it occurs, it just does. that is why i beleive all guys after a certain point should always take an AI. to prevent that from happening.

LarryDavid · May 9, 2011, 3:39pm

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
lol roguevampire. i feel bad for you man.[/quote]

you feel bad for me. lol. dude, im a 285lb monster. i have a beautiful daughter, i just spent more for a supercharger than alot of people spend on a car. i live in a beautiful home. i have a great family. you feel bad for me, lol bahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahah. ok, if you say so my man. [/quote]

Sure… but, are you happy?

I see a lot of pain behind those eyes.[/quote]

lol hungry

buddaboy · May 9, 2011, 4:04pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I would say if you are 40+ and just maintaining your body weight as you get older, unless you are really into bodybuilding and focused on body composition, it is likely you are losing muscle and gaining body fat unless you are seeing regular progress in the gym.

Someone like that could end up at age 50, weighing the same as they did at 40, yet carrying an extra 20-30lbs of body fat.

To my knowledge, many of the people responding aren’t even into bodybuilding actively meaning you can’t relate their actions to someone who is.[/quote]

Louie Simmons is still reporting making progress in the gym, as I said I believe him to be more the exception than the norm, though as i said guys I know tend more to focus on health and CV rather than maintaining a physique of 250LB’s upwards or trying to build MORE muscle. I suppose injuries are a big factor, if you train from your teens into your late forties and early fifties then all that training will take it toll on the body.

RV pointed out fairly that Sly Stallone and Lou Ferrigno are still huge, so we know it certainly is possible to at least maintain a god amount of size into your senior years, though I would question how healthy it is to remain >250LB’s into your fifties and upwards, irrespective of body-fat percentage.

Professor_X · May 9, 2011, 5:28pm

[quote]buddaboy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I would say if you are 40+ and just maintaining your body weight as you get older, unless you are really into bodybuilding and focused on body composition, it is likely you are losing muscle and gaining body fat unless you are seeing regular progress in the gym.

Someone like that could end up at age 50, weighing the same as they did at 40, yet carrying an extra 20-30lbs of body fat.

To my knowledge, many of the people responding aren’t even into bodybuilding actively meaning you can’t relate their actions to someone who is.[/quote]

Louie Simmons is still reporting making progress in the gym, as I said I believe him to be more the exception than the norm, though as i said guys I know tend more to focus on health and CV rather than maintaining a physique of 250LB’s upwards or trying to build MORE muscle. I suppose injuries are a big factor, if you train from your teens into your late forties and early fifties then all that training will take it toll on the body.

RV pointed out fairly that Sly Stallone and Lou Ferrigno are still huge, so we know it certainly is possible to at least maintain a god amount of size into your senior years, though I would question how healthy it is to remain >250LB’s into your fifties and upwards, irrespective of body-fat percentage. [/quote]

That’s the whole point. It isn’t about “body weight” which is why that article is a little off as well as other people’s reactions to it.

As someone gets older, as far as bodybuilding is concerned, there is no such thing as “maintenance”…at least not as far as that term applies to people less than the age of 40-45. Once you reach a certain age, you have to be making progress just to stay in the same place…because your body is working against you even more.

That is why some experience problems later on as far as hormonal profiles…what allowed you to maintain “240lbs” easily before now needs to be amped up or else you are sliding backwards…and ramping things up at that age can cause even further problems.

Why do you think so many of us keep saying that the time for this is limited and that those who slow gain probably won’t ever reach any extreme goal?

I was about 20-21 when I first started reading this site. I ahve stated since then that most should already have any bulking out of the way by the age of 30-35 because the human body does not respond the same after that age.

Mind you, to idiots, this transalates to “eat hamburgers and get fat”.

Bottom line, I’ve been saying this shit…but when the comprehension level of those reading is as poor as it seems top be, it doesn’t matter what you write.

LankyMofo · May 9, 2011, 5:37pm

I found rogue on facebook by accident and it doesn’t look like he’s a troll at all. Or he’s the most committed troll of all time, haha.

Rogue - I think you’re crazy, but keep doing your thing, brah.

system · May 9, 2011, 6:04pm

[quote]buddaboy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I would say if you are 40+ and just maintaining your body weight as you get older, unless you are really into bodybuilding and focused on body composition, it is likely you are losing muscle and gaining body fat unless you are seeing regular progress in the gym.

Someone like that could end up at age 50, weighing the same as they did at 40, yet carrying an extra 20-30lbs of body fat.

To my knowledge, many of the people responding aren’t even into bodybuilding actively meaning you can’t relate their actions to someone who is.[/quote]

Louie Simmons is still reporting making progress in the gym, as I said I believe him to be more the exception than the norm, though as i said guys I know tend more to focus on health and CV rather than maintaining a physique of 250LB’s upwards or trying to build MORE muscle. I suppose injuries are a big factor, if you train from your teens into your late forties and early fifties then all that training will take it toll on the body.

RV pointed out fairly that Sly Stallone and Lou Ferrigno are still huge, so we know it certainly is possible to at least maintain a god amount of size into your senior years, though I would question how healthy it is to remain >250LB’s into your fifties and upwards, irrespective of body-fat percentage. [/quote]

lets look at it another way, how many people do we see over 60, that are just plain overweight. i see tons of them everyday. they need an oxygen tank just to tie their shoes. i even see many really old people that are overweight.

so, if you can be old and be fat and out of shape, you most certainly can be big, but be mostly muscle and be in good shape. like i said before, the reason you don’t see many is cause there aren’t many big muscular guys around at any age. even when you go to a gym, you don’t see many really big guys.

system · May 9, 2011, 6:10pm

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I found rogue on facebook by accident and it doesn’t look like he’s a troll at all. Or he’s the most committed troll of all time, haha.

Rogue - I think you’re crazy, but keep doing your thing, brah.[/quote]

of course, im the first to admit, im a bit nuts. the part about me being in total love with a woman who died 400 yrs ago though, some might call that nuts. for me to say she was my soul mate and that we weren’t meant to be together. that may make me sound like crazy as hell.

but, for me to be able to write almost 85 pages of a novel ive been working on now for 2 years, to be able to write through her perspective, a woman i have never met. yet i know how she speaks, how she thinks, what she went through in her life. to feel her around me as i write. yes, that sounds crazy. but remember, ive never written anything before.

id never imagined myself ever writing a book about someone. to know her so well is beyond my understanding. what i do know is what i feel. she is very familiar to me. ok, im rambling again. so ill stop.

buddaboy · May 9, 2011, 6:14pm

[quote]Professor X wrote: