Most BodyBuilders Look Like Crap

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
My point was as middle age nears, it’s not healthy to be 250 plus no matter what the composition. It’s a strain on your heart - period. End of story.[/quote]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
The guy reiterated my point that being 250lb plus is not healthy…[/quote]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
NO ONE said “big muscles = poor health”. [/quote]

these statements kind of contradict each other…[/quote]

You’re cherry picking and quoting out of context - fallacious argument forms. Big surprise on Tnation.

Dude, it’s not the size of your muscles - my point was and always has been it’s your gross weight as you age. It’s a strain on your heart. Period. So if you’re carrying “junk” (as implied in the article), you’d be well fucking advised to lose it as you reach middle age. Do you have an actual intelligent retort to that point?

The best example I know of an elderly guy that was truly healthy and strong was that DeVaney guy. He was somewhere between 200-220 if I recall correctly and he was approaching 70 or more and in great health. When you can find me ANY fucking man on the planet age 70 or better carrying 250lbs (at any body composition) and HEALTHY, post your proof.

And I don’t want to hear about Ferrigno or Louie Simmons. Wake me up when they cross 70 (if they make it, I hope they do) and still carry that mass. And whoever mentioned Stalone is fucking stupid…if he’s breaking 220 I’ll go vegetarian for the rest of the fucking week.
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ask yourself this, how often do you see really big muscular guys??? Im not talking over 70 or over 20, im talking any age whatsoever. you rarely see any. so that goes to reason, you won’t see any over 70. its that simple. Even if i were to accept being heavy regardless of bodyweight, i believe there are things you can do to counter act that. how about doing cardio exercise to strengthen your heart to accomidate your weight.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I think the problem here is that every day overweight dudes who lift weights are being labeled as bodybuilders. (Or maybe that’s not the case in which case Im very confused)

That doesnt really make sense to me. All of the bodybuilders I know, the guys who meticulously keep track of their food, take lifting as serious as any other part of their life, and who have aspirations to compete, dont look like shit at all. Age be damned.

Stop calling gym rats “bodybuilders” and this problem goes away. [/quote]

I asked X who is a “bodybuilder” is but I doubt I’ll get anything other than a vitriolic response in defense of himself.

So please, tell me what you constitutes a “bodybuilder”…[/quote]

The 3 criteria I listed above works. “Has competed” can be added to the aspirations of competing part.

Competing is everything IMO. I know quite a few really big guys around my age doing NPC shows. One of the guys whos lifts at my gym is bigger than all of them at 5 7 245 @ “12 weeks out leanness”. He doesnt even consider himself a bodybuilder yet because he hasnt gone through with a show yet. He puts in all the work in the gym, knows what he’ll be eating next tuesday but for one reason after another (partying, lack of fortitude, life, injury, burnout) he hasnt stepped on stage yet. He’s just another huge dude walking around.

IMO that extra step of getting on stage at any level is a tremendous step above guys who just lift and eat properly. [/quote]

So can someone that has “wanted” to compete for at least 10 years now without actually doing it be a “bodybuilder”? Doesn’t the “planning” have an expiration date? Or can you perpetually “plan” to be a bodybuilder. [/quote]

lol I think it depends on the excuses the person has

But I meant planning in the sense that it’s august and someone has their sights set on a May show. Obviously the diet wont start for a few months but the mindset begins to change. Soemthing like that [/quote]

I knew what you meant :slight_smile:

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheCanadian wrote:
In regards to the lack of very well-built dudes over 65, wouldn’t their generation have a lot to do with it as well? The youngest of these guys would have been born in 1946- while this puts them right in the prosperity of the post-war era during their development, doesn’t it also mean they were subjected to all the brand-new synthetics and associated increase in environmental toxins that came around in that era? Wouldn’t that have a dramatic effect on their long-term digestive capacity etc. and the degradation of their faculties later in life as the body was more stressed by its environment during its lifetime? Add to this the enormous increase in proper information on nutrition and exercise that has become available with the advent of the internet, and it seems logical that accordingly there are a lot more big guys walking around today period than there ever were before.

I’m not arguing that being 250#s+ is or isn’t healthy/practical in the long-term, but rather proposing why our current crop of old people are far less likely to carry a large, muscular physique into later life than those who will grow old in upcoming decades. [/quote]

This was a good post.

Above all else, GENETICS are what can allow one man to get bigger than another with no health consequences. Making blanket statements like some seem to be doing is illogical.

Claiming that the lack of built old people is because size killed the rest off is completely off base. Declining digestion, declining hormones, loss of motor skills and joint damage are the main reasons.[/quote]

Again. STRAWMAN. No one said “build old people”. Excessive size is not healthy. You claim to be a fucking doctor every chance you get, so go speak to a cardiologist. [/quote]

i keep hearing about being big and muscular isn’t healthy as you get “chronologically” older. really, show me the studies that prove that. Im simply not accepting that position. while i think a big over weight guy, who gets out of breath tying his shoes, now thats unhealthy. but if your a big guy, but also have good cardio how is that unhealthy? im sorry, but i will never accept that having muscle is unhealthy, i dont’ care how much you have of it. with that said, you have to do cardio exercise for you heart to keep that healthy as well. [/quote]

I’d hope you love that precious daughter of yours enough to shed your obviously life-long feeling of insecurity and your present delusions and get a fucking clue. You can either heed common sense, or look for answers that support what you want to do. You can keep abusing steroids so “no one even looks sideways” at you, or you can stay healthy and watch your daughter grow old. Yeah. I said “abuse”. I don’t know you from a can of paint, so I cannot honestly say I care what you do and I honestly don’t care about your uninformed opinions above. I’m pretty sure your daughter doesn’t give a fuck how big you are and you should really think about that. And another thing, the guys that you have to worry about - the ones that don’t give a fuck…don’t care how big you are. You’re only intimidating the pussies.

I know one fucking thing - I love my children and the people in my life enough to err on the side of caution. And I’m secure enough to go “down” lower than I am now if necessary to prove it. Like I said, I’m not carrying anymore junk - none. Never said I was going to get all small and Brad Pitt on everyone.

When someone here starts considering the opinions of a man our age that associates himself with vampires, claims to know women that died 400 years ago, expresses the ignorant opinions you have about HRT and some of the other posts you have made, I’m fucking deactivating my account and getting off this site - no offense, but I’m being serious. You got issues dude.

And wake me up when all these guys here meet or exceed 240 lean.[/quote]

funny how you seem to ignore what i wrote completely and only talked about what i wrote in the past. i don’t have to go into details about the woman im writing about, cause its obviously something you could never understand. but my point is this, if your a big guy, but you do the necessary cardio for your heart, your telling me that won’t matter. well, im saying your full of shit. You might have a point, if a big guy didn’t do any exercises for his heart, they yes, maybe being really heavy might be unhealthy. but you can’t admit theres an easy fix to that.

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For me personally now on the other side of 35, its becoming more of a realization that optimal health has to be more of priority than my usual and life long goals of being bigger and stronger. Its hard to teach an old dog new tricks and being healthier will not give me the same feeling of pride of hitting a new PR, but being healthier is a necessity, a boring one but a necessary one to enjoy life and live a full life.

We all have vanity issues to some degree wether it is having super hawt abs, a 600 lb DL, a rogue vampire esque 58 inch chest or 20 inch guns. It plays a part for all of us to some degree, and there is nothing wrong with that.

I want to get stronger, but not at the expense of my health, no way. At 5’9" 241, my body every morning tells me that I need to become leaner and lose some pounds, I hope it doesent come at the expense of the strength that I have but if it does, so be it.

“PL cannot be more important than your longevity” QFT

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheCanadian wrote:
In regards to the lack of very well-built dudes over 65, wouldn’t their generation have a lot to do with it as well? The youngest of these guys would have been born in 1946- while this puts them right in the prosperity of the post-war era during their development, doesn’t it also mean they were subjected to all the brand-new synthetics and associated increase in environmental toxins that came around in that era? Wouldn’t that have a dramatic effect on their long-term digestive capacity etc. and the degradation of their faculties later in life as the body was more stressed by its environment during its lifetime? Add to this the enormous increase in proper information on nutrition and exercise that has become available with the advent of the internet, and it seems logical that accordingly there are a lot more big guys walking around today period than there ever were before.

I’m not arguing that being 250#s+ is or isn’t healthy/practical in the long-term, but rather proposing why our current crop of old people are far less likely to carry a large, muscular physique into later life than those who will grow old in upcoming decades. [/quote]

This was a good post.

Above all else, GENETICS are what can allow one man to get bigger than another with no health consequences. Making blanket statements like some seem to be doing is illogical.

Claiming that the lack of built old people is because size killed the rest off is completely off base. Declining digestion, declining hormones, loss of motor skills and joint damage are the main reasons.[/quote]

Again. STRAWMAN. No one said “build old people”. Excessive size is not healthy. You claim to be a fucking doctor every chance you get, so go speak to a cardiologist. [/quote]

i keep hearing about being big and muscular isn’t healthy as you get “chronologically” older. really, show me the studies that prove that. Im simply not accepting that position. while i think a big over weight guy, who gets out of breath tying his shoes, now thats unhealthy. but if your a big guy, but also have good cardio how is that unhealthy? im sorry, but i will never accept that having muscle is unhealthy, i dont’ care how much you have of it. with that said, you have to do cardio exercise for you heart to keep that healthy as well. [/quote]

I’d hope you love that precious daughter of yours enough to shed your obviously life-long feeling of insecurity and your present delusions and get a fucking clue. You can either heed common sense, or look for answers that support what you want to do. You can keep abusing steroids so “no one even looks sideways” at you, or you can stay healthy and watch your daughter grow old. Yeah. I said “abuse”. I don’t know you from a can of paint, so I cannot honestly say I care what you do and I honestly don’t care about your uninformed opinions above. I’m pretty sure your daughter doesn’t give a fuck how big you are and you should really think about that. And another thing, the guys that you have to worry about - the ones that don’t give a fuck…don’t care how big you are. You’re only intimidating the pussies.

I know one fucking thing - I love my children and the people in my life enough to err on the side of caution. And I’m secure enough to go “down” lower than I am now if necessary to prove it. Like I said, I’m not carrying anymore junk - none. Never said I was going to get all small and Brad Pitt on everyone.

When someone here starts considering the opinions of a man our age that associates himself with vampires, claims to know women that died 400 years ago, expresses the ignorant opinions you have about HRT and some of the other posts you have made, I’m fucking deactivating my account and getting off this site - no offense, but I’m being serious. You got issues dude.

And wake me up when all these guys here meet or exceed 240 lean.[/quote]

funny how you seem to ignore what i wrote completely and only talked about what i wrote in the past. i don’t have to go into details about the woman im writing about, cause its obviously something you could never understand. but my point is this, if your a big guy, but you do the necessary cardio for your heart, your telling me that won’t matter. well, im saying your full of shit. You might have a point, if a big guy didn’t do any exercises for his heart, they yes, maybe being really heavy might be unhealthy. but you can’t admit theres an easy fix to that. [/quote]

Carrying excessive weight around is going to put a lot of stress on your body no matter how much “cardio” you do.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I think the problem here is that every day overweight dudes who lift weights are being labeled as bodybuilders. (Or maybe that’s not the case in which case Im very confused)

That doesnt really make sense to me. All of the bodybuilders I know, the guys who meticulously keep track of their food, take lifting as serious as any other part of their life, and who have aspirations to compete, dont look like shit at all. Age be damned.

Stop calling gym rats “bodybuilders” and this problem goes away. [/quote]

Excellent post.

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[quote]-LL- wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheCanadian wrote:
In regards to the lack of very well-built dudes over 65, wouldn’t their generation have a lot to do with it as well? The youngest of these guys would have been born in 1946- while this puts them right in the prosperity of the post-war era during their development, doesn’t it also mean they were subjected to all the brand-new synthetics and associated increase in environmental toxins that came around in that era? Wouldn’t that have a dramatic effect on their long-term digestive capacity etc. and the degradation of their faculties later in life as the body was more stressed by its environment during its lifetime? Add to this the enormous increase in proper information on nutrition and exercise that has become available with the advent of the internet, and it seems logical that accordingly there are a lot more big guys walking around today period than there ever were before.

I’m not arguing that being 250#s+ is or isn’t healthy/practical in the long-term, but rather proposing why our current crop of old people are far less likely to carry a large, muscular physique into later life than those who will grow old in upcoming decades. [/quote]

This was a good post.

Above all else, GENETICS are what can allow one man to get bigger than another with no health consequences. Making blanket statements like some seem to be doing is illogical.

Claiming that the lack of built old people is because size killed the rest off is completely off base. Declining digestion, declining hormones, loss of motor skills and joint damage are the main reasons.[/quote]

Again. STRAWMAN. No one said “build old people”. Excessive size is not healthy. You claim to be a fucking doctor every chance you get, so go speak to a cardiologist. [/quote]

i keep hearing about being big and muscular isn’t healthy as you get “chronologically” older. really, show me the studies that prove that. Im simply not accepting that position. while i think a big over weight guy, who gets out of breath tying his shoes, now thats unhealthy. but if your a big guy, but also have good cardio how is that unhealthy? im sorry, but i will never accept that having muscle is unhealthy, i dont’ care how much you have of it. with that said, you have to do cardio exercise for you heart to keep that healthy as well. [/quote]

I’d hope you love that precious daughter of yours enough to shed your obviously life-long feeling of insecurity and your present delusions and get a fucking clue. You can either heed common sense, or look for answers that support what you want to do. You can keep abusing steroids so “no one even looks sideways” at you, or you can stay healthy and watch your daughter grow old. Yeah. I said “abuse”. I don’t know you from a can of paint, so I cannot honestly say I care what you do and I honestly don’t care about your uninformed opinions above. I’m pretty sure your daughter doesn’t give a fuck how big you are and you should really think about that. And another thing, the guys that you have to worry about - the ones that don’t give a fuck…don’t care how big you are. You’re only intimidating the pussies.

I know one fucking thing - I love my children and the people in my life enough to err on the side of caution. And I’m secure enough to go “down” lower than I am now if necessary to prove it. Like I said, I’m not carrying anymore junk - none. Never said I was going to get all small and Brad Pitt on everyone.

When someone here starts considering the opinions of a man our age that associates himself with vampires, claims to know women that died 400 years ago, expresses the ignorant opinions you have about HRT and some of the other posts you have made, I’m fucking deactivating my account and getting off this site - no offense, but I’m being serious. You got issues dude.

And wake me up when all these guys here meet or exceed 240 lean.[/quote]

funny how you seem to ignore what i wrote completely and only talked about what i wrote in the past. i don’t have to go into details about the woman im writing about, cause its obviously something you could never understand. but my point is this, if your a big guy, but you do the necessary cardio for your heart, your telling me that won’t matter. well, im saying your full of shit. You might have a point, if a big guy didn’t do any exercises for his heart, they yes, maybe being really heavy might be unhealthy. but you can’t admit theres an easy fix to that. [/quote]

Carrying excessive weight around is going to put a lot of stress on your body no matter how much “cardio” you do. [/quote]

doing cardio will offset any undue stress. to say that doing cardio won’t matter is going against all logic.

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Well, the only answer to this thread is to beat up the treadmill until I am 130 pounds…and at that point I will still be too big and unhealthy for some health expert…then I’ll be too small for that health experts office mate.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]-LL- wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheCanadian wrote:
In regards to the lack of very well-built dudes over 65, wouldn’t their generation have a lot to do with it as well? The youngest of these guys would have been born in 1946- while this puts them right in the prosperity of the post-war era during their development, doesn’t it also mean they were subjected to all the brand-new synthetics and associated increase in environmental toxins that came around in that era? Wouldn’t that have a dramatic effect on their long-term digestive capacity etc. and the degradation of their faculties later in life as the body was more stressed by its environment during its lifetime? Add to this the enormous increase in proper information on nutrition and exercise that has become available with the advent of the internet, and it seems logical that accordingly there are a lot more big guys walking around today period than there ever were before.

I’m not arguing that being 250#s+ is or isn’t healthy/practical in the long-term, but rather proposing why our current crop of old people are far less likely to carry a large, muscular physique into later life than those who will grow old in upcoming decades. [/quote]

This was a good post.

Above all else, GENETICS are what can allow one man to get bigger than another with no health consequences. Making blanket statements like some seem to be doing is illogical.

Claiming that the lack of built old people is because size killed the rest off is completely off base. Declining digestion, declining hormones, loss of motor skills and joint damage are the main reasons.[/quote]

Again. STRAWMAN. No one said “build old people”. Excessive size is not healthy. You claim to be a fucking doctor every chance you get, so go speak to a cardiologist. [/quote]

i keep hearing about being big and muscular isn’t healthy as you get “chronologically” older. really, show me the studies that prove that. Im simply not accepting that position. while i think a big over weight guy, who gets out of breath tying his shoes, now thats unhealthy. but if your a big guy, but also have good cardio how is that unhealthy? im sorry, but i will never accept that having muscle is unhealthy, i dont’ care how much you have of it. with that said, you have to do cardio exercise for you heart to keep that healthy as well. [/quote]

I’d hope you love that precious daughter of yours enough to shed your obviously life-long feeling of insecurity and your present delusions and get a fucking clue. You can either heed common sense, or look for answers that support what you want to do. You can keep abusing steroids so “no one even looks sideways” at you, or you can stay healthy and watch your daughter grow old. Yeah. I said “abuse”. I don’t know you from a can of paint, so I cannot honestly say I care what you do and I honestly don’t care about your uninformed opinions above. I’m pretty sure your daughter doesn’t give a fuck how big you are and you should really think about that. And another thing, the guys that you have to worry about - the ones that don’t give a fuck…don’t care how big you are. You’re only intimidating the pussies.

I know one fucking thing - I love my children and the people in my life enough to err on the side of caution. And I’m secure enough to go “down” lower than I am now if necessary to prove it. Like I said, I’m not carrying anymore junk - none. Never said I was going to get all small and Brad Pitt on everyone.

When someone here starts considering the opinions of a man our age that associates himself with vampires, claims to know women that died 400 years ago, expresses the ignorant opinions you have about HRT and some of the other posts you have made, I’m fucking deactivating my account and getting off this site - no offense, but I’m being serious. You got issues dude.

And wake me up when all these guys here meet or exceed 240 lean.[/quote]

funny how you seem to ignore what i wrote completely and only talked about what i wrote in the past. i don’t have to go into details about the woman im writing about, cause its obviously something you could never understand. but my point is this, if your a big guy, but you do the necessary cardio for your heart, your telling me that won’t matter. well, im saying your full of shit. You might have a point, if a big guy didn’t do any exercises for his heart, they yes, maybe being really heavy might be unhealthy. but you can’t admit theres an easy fix to that. [/quote]

Carrying excessive weight around is going to put a lot of stress on your body no matter how much “cardio” you do. [/quote]

doing cardio will offset any undue stress. to say that doing cardio won’t matter is going against all logic.[/quote]

Oo

edit - nevermind. Not getting sucked in to another convo with you.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
too much bickering…

I think the point of BG’s OP was that unless you are a seriously competitive BB or PL, or other wise superheavyweight athlete, it propbably is not wise health wise to carry 250lbs plus on your frame unless your are over 6-4".

I don’t understand why so many think that is a personal attack on the “bigger” or “hyooge” members of this board.

It is just a fact. Look on my profile, you will see pics of me when I was younger over 250lbs, and recent pics with me 220-230. I feel much better now lighter in my 40’s.

why all the anger over that?

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That WAS my point and I’d add that my point included not carrying that weight into middle age. If you do it while you’re younger, probably no harm no foul if you keep diet and cardio in check. [/quote]

Eh, I feel a lot better now at 220 than I did at pudgy 240, and so does my cholesterol, but I’m only 28.

I’m actually considering a trip down to competing at 198.

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[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
My mom was just watching “The Real Housewives of New York” and I was just dumbfounded at how stupid and whiny people could be even though they were successful and at around 40 years of age. Sometimes this site reminds me a lot of that show.[/quote]

You ever watch the show the Jersey Shore about young dumbass kids who drink all the time, fuck everything that moves, take any type of med to get them “Jacked”? Well these kind of comments remind me of that show.

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BG, I’ve been lurking here for a long time and I have found that I tend to agree with your opinions on many counts. However, I think it’s incorrect to state that X and many others who do not compete are not bodybuilders irrespective of their commitment and achievements.

I think that while stepping on stage and competing is certainly admirable, and absolutely required to be considered a competitive bodybuilder, what qualifies one as a bodybuilder is less to do with competition and more to do with training, discipline, and mindset. If someone practiced guitar relentlessly and became very skilled, but never performed in front of a crowd, would that make them any less of a guitar player?

Would that make them merely a guy who plays a lot of guitar and is very good at it? I believe not. Bodybuilding is not done on the stage. Bodybuilding is done in the gym and in the kitchen. While it is judged onstage, it is not done there. In my opinion, if it looks like a bodybuilder and acts like a bodybuilder then it must be a bodybuilder.

Additionally, to clarify my earlier point I was merely stating that regardless of the health implications of maintaining a 250#+ physique into old age, you most likely won’t see it in today’s crop of old people because not only have their bodies been through a chemical wringer that most likely has worn a lot of them out prematurely, but the general populace during their prime had considerably less focus on achieving that sort of physique, and as well the average person did not possess the tremendous wealth of information that is available to all of us today.

That being said, I do agree that health should always come before progress- but that is merely my opinion and is irrelevant to anyone with a different perspective, unless they happen to share it.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
My mom was just watching “The Real Housewives of New York” and I was just dumbfounded at how stupid and whiny people could be even though they were successful and at around 40 years of age. Sometimes this site reminds me a lot of that show.[/quote]

You ever watch the show the Jersey Shore about young dumbass kids who drink all the time, fuck everything that moves, take any type of med to get them “Jacked”? Well these kind of comments remind me of that show. [/quote]

You can almost draw a dividing line in this thread where the intelligent debate ended…and you can’t even blame the vampire for that.

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[quote]TheCanadian wrote:
I think that while stepping on stage and competing is certainly admirable, and absolutely required to be considered a competitive bodybuilder, what qualifies one as a bodybuilder is less to do with competition and more to do with training, discipline, and mindset. If someone practiced guitar relentlessly and became very skilled, but never performed in front of a crowd, would that make them any less of a guitar player?

Would that make them merely a guy who plays a lot of guitar and is very good at it? I believe not.[/quote]

Boom Roasted.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I think the problem here is that every day overweight dudes who lift weights are being labeled as bodybuilders. (Or maybe that’s not the case in which case Im very confused)

That doesnt really make sense to me. All of the bodybuilders I know, the guys who meticulously keep track of their food, take lifting as serious as any other part of their life, and who have aspirations to compete, dont look like shit at all. Age be damned.

Stop calling gym rats “bodybuilders” and this problem goes away. [/quote]

I asked X who is a “bodybuilder” is but I doubt I’ll get anything other than a vitriolic response in defense of himself.

So please, tell me what you constitutes a “bodybuilder”…[/quote]

The 3 criteria I listed above works. “Has competed” can be added to the aspirations of competing part.

Competing is everything IMO. I know quite a few really big guys around my age doing NPC shows. One of the guys whos lifts at my gym is bigger than all of them at 5 7 245 @ “12 weeks out leanness”. He doesnt even consider himself a bodybuilder yet because he hasnt gone through with a show yet. He puts in all the work in the gym, knows what he’ll be eating next tuesday but for one reason after another (partying, lack of fortitude, life, injury, burnout) he hasnt stepped on stage yet. He’s just another huge dude walking around.

IMO that extra step of getting on stage at any level is a tremendous step above guys who just lift and eat properly. [/quote]

So can someone that has “wanted” to compete for at least 10 years now without actually doing it be a “bodybuilder”? Doesn’t the “planning” have an expiration date? Or can you perpetually “plan” to be a bodybuilder. [/quote]

Wow, dude.

Ten years ago I weighed about 210lbs. You know, I think I would know what my goal was from the start better than anyone.

Why would someone compete before they reached the body they are after?

Competition is simply the end game after you build the impressive physique. I had no idea I was on a schedule set by someone else.

I spent ten years making gains that are pretty damn visible to anyone looking. You would ONLY have a point if I spent ten years making very little to no progress. During that ten years, I went after several other goals and reached all of them.

Sorry you seem to be having such a bad day.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
My mom was just watching “The Real Housewives of New York” and I was just dumbfounded at how stupid and whiny people could be even though they were successful and at around 40 years of age. Sometimes this site reminds me a lot of that show.[/quote]

You ever watch the show the Jersey Shore about young dumbass kids who drink all the time, fuck everything that moves, take any type of med to get them “Jacked”? Well these kind of comments remind me of that show. [/quote]

You can almost draw a dividing line in this thread where the intelligent debate ended…and you can’t even blame the vampire for that.

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You know Saturday this thread started with a really good discussion. Sadly like a 50 year old hooker shit is worn out and fucking sagging. I know I should just stay out of this, but it gets my mind of work stress.

I had to put the Pedo Vampire on ignore, he started shit in the over 35 section.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
My mom was just watching “The Real Housewives of New York” and I was just dumbfounded at how stupid and whiny people could be even though they were successful and at around 40 years of age. Sometimes this site reminds me a lot of that show.[/quote]

You ever watch the show the Jersey Shore about young dumbass kids who drink all the time, fuck everything that moves, take any type of med to get them “Jacked”? Well these kind of comments remind me of that show. [/quote]

You can almost draw a dividing line in this thread where the intelligent debate ended…and you can’t even blame the vampire for that.

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You ever watch that show The Vampire Diaries on The WB? It’s about a town with lots of tween heart throb vampires living in it along with witches and some werewolves? Naaaaaah me either.[/quote]

Greg why are you watching the WB? Aren’t you a little light skinned for that? :slight_smile:

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’m not upset at all. I’m annoyed when my points are misrepresented. By the way, I hate to fucking break it to you, but a man in his 60’s is not “old”. If all you care about is making it to your 60’s, then that’s your problem. I want to make it beyond 80 and healthy. Excess weight is excess weight as you age - it’s a strain on your heart. Your heart DOES NOT distinguish between fat and muscle - it’s an increased load, ASK ANY CARDIOLOGIST!. For crying out loud, you claim to be a “doctor” - at least have an informed opinion and an understanding of my point. [/quote]

I’ve seen heart patients who are too frail to play golf because of the walking involved. At the other end of the spectrum I’ve seen patients who won’t exercise, even though it could help them immensely.

Carrying around extra lean muscle takes a toll on the heart, but so does playing golf. It’s cardio. Depending on your overall health, it could be good for you and it could be bad for you. It’s not black and white.

And how come you’re a beacon of health at 240 pounds but if someone is ten pounds heavier they’re about to have a heart attack?

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Could anyone else come here and talk about powerlifting for 10 years and never compete? [/quote]

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He’s like a guy with a 2000 pound gym total. He doesn’t give out advice on cutting for a competition but he knows how to get big. And that’s a pretty big part of it.

How is the fact that he’s never competed relevant to this discussion?

FWIW, H4M gave out great advice before his first meet. In which he totaled elite. Competing isn’t everything.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
My mom was just watching “The Real Housewives of New York” and I was just dumbfounded at how stupid and whiny people could be even though they were successful and at around 40 years of age. Sometimes this site reminds me a lot of that show.[/quote]

You ever watch the show the Jersey Shore about young dumbass kids who drink all the time, fuck everything that moves, take any type of med to get them “Jacked”? Well these kind of comments remind me of that show. [/quote]

You can almost draw a dividing line in this thread where the intelligent debate ended…and you can’t even blame the vampire for that.

[/quote]

You ever watch that show The Vampire Diaries on The WB? It’s about a town with lots of tween heart throb vampires living in it along with witches and some werewolves? Naaaaaah me either.[/quote]

Greg why are you watching the WB? Aren’t you a little light skinned for that? :slight_smile: [/quote]

But DJ!!! I said “naaaaah me either!” lol

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
My mom was just watching “The Real Housewives of New York” and I was just dumbfounded at how stupid and whiny people could be even though they were successful and at around 40 years of age. Sometimes this site reminds me a lot of that show.[/quote]

You ever watch the show the Jersey Shore about young dumbass kids who drink all the time, fuck everything that moves, take any type of med to get them “Jacked”? Well these kind of comments remind me of that show. [/quote]

You can almost draw a dividing line in this thread where the intelligent debate ended…and you can’t even blame the vampire for that.

[/quote]

You ever watch that show The Vampire Diaries on The WB? It’s about a town with lots of tween heart throb vampires living in it along with witches and some werewolves? Naaaaaah me either.[/quote]

Greg why are you watching the WB? Aren’t you a little light skinned for that? :slight_smile: [/quote]

But DJ!!! I said “naaaaah me either!” lol[/quote]

Hahahahahahaha whatever you like looking at the sisters dont you? You probably watch Telemundo also dont you?