Most BodyBuilders Look Like Crap

TheBodyGuard · May 10, 2011, 2:31am

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I would say if you are 40+ and just maintaining your body weight as you get older, unless you are really into bodybuilding and focused on body composition, it is likely you are losing muscle and gaining body fat unless you are seeing regular progress in the gym.

Someone like that could end up at age 50, weighing the same as they did at 40, yet carrying an extra 20-30lbs of body fat.

To my knowledge, many of the people responding aren’t even into bodybuilding actively meaning you can’t relate their actions to someone who is.[/quote]

How is it that you identify so strongly with “bodybuilding”?? When have you ever stepped on stage? I’m not aware that you ever competed. If I’m wrong, please correct me. If I’m not wrong, aren’t your associations similar to a guy that consistently does the “big 3” while claiming to be a “powerlifter”? Even the kid that totaled 700 in his first and only meet got off his ass and onto stage to see what he can do. He’s a “powerlifter”. How is one a “bodybuilder” that never competed? Do you have a contest coming up? Do you have plans to compete? I’ve been here as long as anyone (different screen name in the beginning) and I remember you from the start and I don’t recall you ever competing.

Now, I’m asking this question is complete earnestness. I’m wondering exactly what your mind set is because you quite liberally waive the bodybuilding flag and are generally divisive among those that you consider “bodybuilders” and those that are not. Enlighten me please.[/quote]

Dude, you can call me what you wish. I really don’t care. I know what my goal is and I know no one is looking at me and assuming I am not lifting for a reason.

I have no interest in arguing about whether you alone acknowledge what I am after or my goals.

No one cares.[/quote]

Thanks for answering my honest question. You didn’t answer it, but you really did. Just as I thought.

So, the guy that does the big 3 as part of his normal routine - he’s a “powerlifter”? And the guy that goes to the park and plays some ball, he’s now a “basketball” player? Shall I continue?

I respect your goals. I respect your fucking progress - I really do. But you DO waive this bodybuilding flag around quite liberally and you do it divisively and for the life of me I don’t see how you consider yourself a “bodybuilder”.

So is it fair to say you’re just a “guy with goals”? If so, how are you goals more worthy than the goals of others here that you routinely dismiss by making continued references to bodybuilding?

gregron · May 10, 2011, 2:36am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
My point was as middle age nears, it’s not healthy to be 250 plus no matter what the composition. It’s a strain on your heart - period. End of story.[/quote]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
The guy reiterated my point that being 250lb plus is not healthy…[/quote]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
NO ONE said “big muscles = poor health”. [/quote]

these statements kind of contradict each other…

system · May 10, 2011, 2:36am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheCanadian wrote:
In regards to the lack of very well-built dudes over 65, wouldn’t their generation have a lot to do with it as well? The youngest of these guys would have been born in 1946- while this puts them right in the prosperity of the post-war era during their development, doesn’t it also mean they were subjected to all the brand-new synthetics and associated increase in environmental toxins that came around in that era? Wouldn’t that have a dramatic effect on their long-term digestive capacity etc. and the degradation of their faculties later in life as the body was more stressed by its environment during its lifetime? Add to this the enormous increase in proper information on nutrition and exercise that has become available with the advent of the internet, and it seems logical that accordingly there are a lot more big guys walking around today period than there ever were before.

I’m not arguing that being 250#s+ is or isn’t healthy/practical in the long-term, but rather proposing why our current crop of old people are far less likely to carry a large, muscular physique into later life than those who will grow old in upcoming decades. [/quote]

This was a good post.

Above all else, GENETICS are what can allow one man to get bigger than another with no health consequences. Making blanket statements like some seem to be doing is illogical.

Claiming that the lack of built old people is because size killed the rest off is completely off base. Declining digestion, declining hormones, loss of motor skills and joint damage are the main reasons.[/quote]

Again. STRAWMAN. No one said “build old people”. Excessive size is not healthy. You claim to be a fucking doctor every chance you get, so go speak to a cardiologist. [/quote]

i keep hearing about being big and muscular isn’t healthy as you get “chronologically” older. really, show me the studies that prove that. Im simply not accepting that position. while i think a big over weight guy, who gets out of breath tying his shoes, now thats unhealthy. but if your a big guy, but also have good cardio how is that unhealthy? im sorry, but i will never accept that having muscle is unhealthy, i dont’ care how much you have of it. with that said, you have to do cardio exercise for you heart to keep that healthy as well.

TheBodyGuard · May 10, 2011, 2:36am

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]behexen wrote:
How old are you prof. X? At what age did you start training? Outside of the expected newbie gains at what age has training gone the most smoothly for you? Where do you feel is the peek where your body starts to go the other way and fight against you?

[/quote]

I doubt I will bulk up anywhere near what I have in the past from now on…which was the plan from the start.
[/quote]

OH MY MOTHERFUCKING GOD?! YOU MEAN YOU’RE NOT GOING TO PURPOSEFULLY EVER GET BIGGER THAN YOU ARE NOW? I RECALL SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT! LOL IT’S ALWAYS INTERESTING “CHATTING” WITH YOU.[/quote]

TRY EATING MORE CHEESEBURGERS PROFESSOR X!!![/quote]

Funny thing is he’s so insecure he thinks I’m insulting him. I think he’s made great progress even though I have no interest - not even a passing interest - in bodybuilding. I disagree with just about most of his opinions, but I respect his work. But I also think he needs to get off his fucking ass and actually BE a bodybuilder. That means win or come in last, he needs to get on stage and do it. And that act alone is worthy of respect, no matter what the outcome.

Could anyone else come here and talk about powerlifting for 10 years and never compete?

TheBodyGuard · May 10, 2011, 2:43am

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
My point was as middle age nears, it’s not healthy to be 250 plus no matter what the composition. It’s a strain on your heart - period. End of story.[/quote]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
The guy reiterated my point that being 250lb plus is not healthy…[/quote]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
NO ONE said “big muscles = poor health”. [/quote]

these statements kind of contradict each other…[/quote]

You’re cherry picking and quoting out of context - fallacious argument forms. Big surprise on Tnation.

Dude, it’s not the size of your muscles - my point was and always has been it’s your gross weight as you age. It’s a strain on your heart. Period. So if you’re carrying “junk” (as implied in the article), you’d be well fucking advised to lose it as you reach middle age. Do you have an actual intelligent retort to that point?

The best example I know of an elderly guy that was truly healthy and strong was that DeVaney guy. He was somewhere between 200-220 if I recall correctly and he was approaching 70 or more and in great health. When you can find me ANY fucking man on the planet age 70 or better carrying 250lbs (at any body composition) and HEALTHY, post your proof.

And I don’t want to hear about Ferrigno or Louie Simmons. Wake me up when they cross 70 (if they make it, I hope they do) and still carry that mass. And whoever mentioned Stalone is fucking stupid…if he’s breaking 220 I’ll go vegetarian for the rest of the fucking week.

FrozenNinja · May 10, 2011, 2:45am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
I love how you’re so specific about your chest and arms and than go on to say “mile wide shoulders and back”. The article was written about tempering goals and aspirations with costs I’d say, not simply as a “pick-me-up” article for smaller guys.[/quote]

THis was the orginal intent of the article. I doubt TC was saying it’s cool to be 135lbs soaking wet to anyone. The perception and comprehension of the article is being very skewed and I personally think it’s giving some people with guts insecurity issues. 245 and a trim waistline? Cool. Not even a full six pack, but a trim four pack with some water weight? Cool. But not some huge fucking gut that casts an eclipse over your penis and feet. Please.

My personal workouts are a combo of bodybuilding and athletic endeavours. I do a traditional Bodybuilding split and end with something athletic like punching the bag for rounds, climbing a cool ass 20 ft high thick boat rope for three sets or hitting 600lb tires. I also kickbox and I like zipping around and knocking people on their ass (when I can So I love combining asthetic appeal and atheltic performance in my workouts. I like a mix of both because I want a muscled balanced physique, but I want to be able to perform athletically as well.

BUT, I do want to be bigger. I’m 6’0ft and 197. I want to ultimitely be 205-210. But I’m not going to sacrifice athletic performance to get there. IE I’m not cool with putting on a gut. Water weight is fine, that can easily be taken off and you will gain some fat while trying to get bigger. But keeping fat gain to a minimum is the goal. IT’s relentlessly pursuing muscle…not fat! I’m lucky that I carry my weight well cuz people always guess that I’m a LITTLE heavier than I actually am. I know 210 isnt a good goal for many but I don’t care.

I also agree with what BOnez said earlier. We need to stop calling these fat gym rats bodybuilders because they are really giving actual bodybuilders and the sport a bad name. Most of these cats eat like crap, look like crap and have the audacity to claim to be a bodybuilder like Professor X, H4M, C_C, WAYLANDER, and many others. FUCK…THAT…SHIT. Thats the point of the article. /rant

BONEZ217 · May 10, 2011, 2:46am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I think the problem here is that every day overweight dudes who lift weights are being labeled as bodybuilders. (Or maybe that’s not the case in which case Im very confused)

That doesnt really make sense to me. All of the bodybuilders I know, the guys who meticulously keep track of their food, take lifting as serious as any other part of their life, and who have aspirations to compete, dont look like shit at all. Age be damned.

Stop calling gym rats “bodybuilders” and this problem goes away. [/quote]

I asked X who is a “bodybuilder” is but I doubt I’ll get anything other than a vitriolic response in defense of himself.

So please, tell me what you constitutes a “bodybuilder”…[/quote]

The 3 criteria I listed above works. “Has competed” can be added to the aspirations of competing part.

Competing is everything IMO. I know quite a few really big guys around my age doing NPC shows. One of the guys whos lifts at my gym is bigger than all of them at 5 7 245 @ “12 weeks out leanness”. He doesnt even consider himself a bodybuilder yet because he hasnt gone through with a show yet. He puts in all the work in the gym, knows what he’ll be eating next tuesday but for one reason after another (partying, lack of fortitude, life, injury, burnout) he hasnt stepped on stage yet. He’s just another huge dude walking around.

IMO that extra step of getting on stage at any level is a tremendous step above guys who just lift and eat properly.

VTBalla34 · May 10, 2011, 3:02am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

LOL are you serious? He closes by reiterating my point.

And by the way, you’re the “manatee” the article is speaking of. Do you actually believe you’re healthy? Really? Do you make any money powerlifting? I’m all for getting strong as human possible - I pursued it with vigor for years. But how smart is pursuing strength in a pseudo-sport - YES, “pseudo-sport” at all costs? Excuse me, but powerlifting is a joke with all the organizations, the ridiculous disparity in rules among organizations, the drugs, the equipment, etc. It will NEVER receive Olympic recognition and the average person doesn’t even know what the fuck powerlifting is.

The guy reiterated my point that being 250lb plus is not healthy or practical long term. Duh, I think that was my “OP”. My OP never said anything about being small and weak. I’m 240 and lean right now at age 46, drug-free, with a chronic degenerative neck problem. I’m wondering…how many guys here exactly are 240 and lean drug free? Fuck it, even with the drugs? How many? Bueller? Bueller? Does it fucking sound like I’m intending or advocating that we strive for the Brad Pitt body?

Gimme a motherfucking break. Seems to me that those that protest the loudest might see themselves in the unflattering commentary of the article (manatee or insecure).[/quote]

LOL, give YOURSELF a break man–you are reading what you want to read from his comment…you say he reiterates your point that being “250 lb plus is not healthy or practical long term”, but what he REALLY said was:

Reading is FUNdamental…he came up with a logical, thoughtful argument that showed why the main tenet of your OP was ridiculous (WHY ARE THERE NO 280 POUNDS 70 YEAR OLDS???)…and yet you still take that to mean he agrees with you…

I don’t give a shit what the majority of people think about powerlifting…I don’t care about the disparity in the organizations, and I dont care about the money…So I’ll never be competing in Powerlifting in the Olympics!!! Boo hoo…it is a hobby that I pursue with a passion…the moment I let what other people think is popular dictate what I find enjoyable will probably be the day I decide to clean out my ears with a gun…

Do I think I’m healthy? Well, considering I’ve just beaten back testicular cancer and a host of hormone issues associated with that, no not particularly. But I’m still healthier than the average North American and in a few months, we’ll see how everything else improves…thanks for wondering though…I’ll give you updates along the way…

Professor_X · May 10, 2011, 2:58am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I would say if you are 40+ and just maintaining your body weight as you get older, unless you are really into bodybuilding and focused on body composition, it is likely you are losing muscle and gaining body fat unless you are seeing regular progress in the gym.

Someone like that could end up at age 50, weighing the same as they did at 40, yet carrying an extra 20-30lbs of body fat.

To my knowledge, many of the people responding aren’t even into bodybuilding actively meaning you can’t relate their actions to someone who is.[/quote]

How is it that you identify so strongly with “bodybuilding”?? When have you ever stepped on stage? I’m not aware that you ever competed. If I’m wrong, please correct me. If I’m not wrong, aren’t your associations similar to a guy that consistently does the “big 3” while claiming to be a “powerlifter”? Even the kid that totaled 700 in his first and only meet got off his ass and onto stage to see what he can do. He’s a “powerlifter”. How is one a “bodybuilder” that never competed? Do you have a contest coming up? Do you have plans to compete? I’ve been here as long as anyone (different screen name in the beginning) and I remember you from the start and I don’t recall you ever competing.

Now, I’m asking this question is complete earnestness. I’m wondering exactly what your mind set is because you quite liberally waive the bodybuilding flag and are generally divisive among those that you consider “bodybuilders” and those that are not. Enlighten me please.[/quote]

Dude, you can call me what you wish. I really don’t care. I know what my goal is and I know no one is looking at me and assuming I am not lifting for a reason.

I have no interest in arguing about whether you alone acknowledge what I am after or my goals.

No one cares.[/quote]

Thanks for answering my honest question. You didn’t answer it, but you really did. Just as I thought.

So, the guy that does the big 3 as part of his normal routine - he’s a “powerlifter”? And the guy that goes to the park and plays some ball, he’s now a “basketball” player? Shall I continue?

I respect your goals. I respect your fucking progress - I really do. But you DO waive this bodybuilding flag around quite liberally and you do it divisively and for the life of me I don’t see how you consider yourself a “bodybuilder”.

So is it fair to say you’re just a “guy with goals”? If so, how are you goals more worthy than the goals of others here that you routinely dismiss by making continued references to bodybuilding?[/quote]

Holy crap.

Let me see if I can make this crystal clear for you since you seem to be having some problems in this thread. Just a heads up, but it’s not a good look.

Once again, I don’t care what you call me or if you agree with me. Your opinion of what I do or how I approach it has no worth to me.

However, as far as my own goals, I don’t see too many guys with 20" arms who take lifting lightly. If you do, good for you. I would see someone like that as far more advanced than the average gym rat whether they ever competed or not.

You see, that is MY opinion.

I have nothing to prove to you at all.

heavythrower · May 10, 2011, 3:00am

too much bickering…

I think the point of BG’s OP was that unless you are a seriously competitive BB or PL, or other wise superheavyweight athlete, it propbably is not wise health wise to carry 250lbs plus on your frame unless your are over 6-4".

I don’t understand why so many think that is a personal attack on the “bigger” or “hyooge” members of this board.

It is just a fact. Look on my profile, you will see pics of me when I was younger over 250lbs, and recent pics with me 220-230. I feel much better now lighter in my 40’s.

why all the anger over that?

TheBodyGuard · May 10, 2011, 3:02am

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheCanadian wrote:
In regards to the lack of very well-built dudes over 65, wouldn’t their generation have a lot to do with it as well? The youngest of these guys would have been born in 1946- while this puts them right in the prosperity of the post-war era during their development, doesn’t it also mean they were subjected to all the brand-new synthetics and associated increase in environmental toxins that came around in that era? Wouldn’t that have a dramatic effect on their long-term digestive capacity etc. and the degradation of their faculties later in life as the body was more stressed by its environment during its lifetime? Add to this the enormous increase in proper information on nutrition and exercise that has become available with the advent of the internet, and it seems logical that accordingly there are a lot more big guys walking around today period than there ever were before.

I’m not arguing that being 250#s+ is or isn’t healthy/practical in the long-term, but rather proposing why our current crop of old people are far less likely to carry a large, muscular physique into later life than those who will grow old in upcoming decades. [/quote]

This was a good post.

Above all else, GENETICS are what can allow one man to get bigger than another with no health consequences. Making blanket statements like some seem to be doing is illogical.

Claiming that the lack of built old people is because size killed the rest off is completely off base. Declining digestion, declining hormones, loss of motor skills and joint damage are the main reasons.[/quote]

Again. STRAWMAN. No one said “build old people”. Excessive size is not healthy. You claim to be a fucking doctor every chance you get, so go speak to a cardiologist. [/quote]

i keep hearing about being big and muscular isn’t healthy as you get “chronologically” older. really, show me the studies that prove that. Im simply not accepting that position. while i think a big over weight guy, who gets out of breath tying his shoes, now thats unhealthy. but if your a big guy, but also have good cardio how is that unhealthy? im sorry, but i will never accept that having muscle is unhealthy, i dont’ care how much you have of it. with that said, you have to do cardio exercise for you heart to keep that healthy as well. [/quote]

I’d hope you love that precious daughter of yours enough to shed your obviously life-long feeling of insecurity and your present delusions and get a fucking clue. You can either heed common sense, or look for answers that support what you want to do. You can keep abusing steroids so “no one even looks sideways” at you, or you can stay healthy and watch your daughter grow old. Yeah. I said “abuse”. I don’t know you from a can of paint, so I cannot honestly say I care what you do and I honestly don’t care about your uninformed opinions above. I’m pretty sure your daughter doesn’t give a fuck how big you are and you should really think about that. And another thing, the guys that you have to worry about - the ones that don’t give a fuck…don’t care how big you are. You’re only intimidating the pussies.

I know one fucking thing - I love my children and the people in my life enough to err on the side of caution. And I’m secure enough to go “down” lower than I am now if necessary to prove it. Like I said, I’m not carrying anymore junk - none. Never said I was going to get all small and Brad Pitt on everyone.

When someone here starts considering the opinions of a man our age that associates himself with vampires, claims to know women that died 400 years ago, expresses the ignorant opinions you have about HRT and some of the other posts you have made, I’m fucking deactivating my account and getting off this site - no offense, but I’m being serious. You got issues dude.

And wake me up when all these guys here meet or exceed 240 lean.

TheBodyGuard · May 10, 2011, 3:04am

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I think the problem here is that every day overweight dudes who lift weights are being labeled as bodybuilders. (Or maybe that’s not the case in which case Im very confused)

That doesnt really make sense to me. All of the bodybuilders I know, the guys who meticulously keep track of their food, take lifting as serious as any other part of their life, and who have aspirations to compete, dont look like shit at all. Age be damned.

Stop calling gym rats “bodybuilders” and this problem goes away. [/quote]

I asked X who is a “bodybuilder” is but I doubt I’ll get anything other than a vitriolic response in defense of himself.

So please, tell me what you constitutes a “bodybuilder”…[/quote]

The 3 criteria I listed above works. “Has competed” can be added to the aspirations of competing part.

Competing is everything IMO. I know quite a few really big guys around my age doing NPC shows. One of the guys whos lifts at my gym is bigger than all of them at 5 7 245 @ “12 weeks out leanness”. He doesnt even consider himself a bodybuilder yet because he hasnt gone through with a show yet. He puts in all the work in the gym, knows what he’ll be eating next tuesday but for one reason after another (partying, lack of fortitude, life, injury, burnout) he hasnt stepped on stage yet. He’s just another huge dude walking around.

IMO that extra step of getting on stage at any level is a tremendous step above guys who just lift and eat properly. [/quote]

So can someone that has “wanted” to compete for at least 10 years now without actually doing it be a “bodybuilder”? Doesn’t the “planning” have an expiration date? Or can you perpetually “plan” to be a bodybuilder.

TheBodyGuard · May 10, 2011, 3:09am

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

LOL are you serious? He closes by reiterating my point.

And by the way, you’re the “manatee” the article is speaking of. Do you actually believe you’re healthy? Really? Do you make any money powerlifting? I’m all for getting strong as human possible - I pursued it with vigor for years. But how smart is pursuing strength in a pseudo-sport - YES, “pseudo-sport” at all costs? Excuse me, but powerlifting is a joke with all the organizations, the ridiculous disparity in rules among organizations, the drugs, the equipment, etc. It will NEVER receive Olympic recognition and the average person doesn’t even know what the fuck powerlifting is.

The guy reiterated my point that being 250lb plus is not healthy or practical long term. Duh, I think that was my “OP”. My OP never said anything about being small and weak. I’m 240 and lean right now at age 46, drug-free, with a chronic degenerative neck problem. I’m wondering…how many guys here exactly are 240 and lean drug free? Fuck it, even with the drugs? How many? Bueller? Bueller? Does it fucking sound like I’m intending or advocating that we strive for the Brad Pitt body?

Gimme a motherfucking break. Seems to me that those that protest the loudest might see themselves in the unflattering commentary of the article (manatee or insecure).[/quote]

LOL, give YOURSELF a break man–you are reading what you want to read from his comment…you say he reiterates your point that being “250 lb plus is not healthy or practical long term”, but what he REALLY said was:

Reading is FUNdamental…he came up with a logical, thoughtful argument that showed why the main tenet of your OP was ridiculous (WHY ARE THERE NO 280 POUNDS 70 YEAR OLDS???)…and yet you still take that to mean he agrees with you…

I don’t give a shit what the majority of people think about powerlifting…I don’t care about the disparity in the organizations, and I dont care about the money…So I’ll never be competing in Powerlifting in the Olympics!!! Boo hoo…it is a hobby that I pursue with a passion…the moment I let what other people think is popular dictate what I find enjoyable will probably be the day I decide to clean out my ears with a gun…

Do I think I’m healthy? Well, considering I’ve just beaten back testicular cancer and a host of hormone issues associated with that, no not particularly. But I’m still healthier than the average North American and in a few months, we’ll see how everything else improves…thanks for wondering though…I’ll give you updates along the way…
[/quote]

I wasn’t wondering. I knew you weren’t healthy. It doesn’t take a medical degree to know that. And I wish you no ill will. I hope you get everything under control. But stop twisting my opinions. If I didn’t express them clearly, fine. But at least a few here understood them (and the article) perfectly.

I pursued PL with a passion too. And I plan to resume it once I get my neck issues in order. It wasn’t an anti-PL rant. It was a point that PL cannot be more important than your longevity. Is a hobby worth your health? Do you resist losing weight because your lifts go down? I know I subconsciously did. Are you telling me you cannot passionately pursue your hobby at a healthier weight? Given the weight classes, I think we can agree that you can.

TheBodyGuard · May 10, 2011, 3:12am

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I would say if you are 40+ and just maintaining your body weight as you get older, unless you are really into bodybuilding and focused on body composition, it is likely you are losing muscle and gaining body fat unless you are seeing regular progress in the gym.

Someone like that could end up at age 50, weighing the same as they did at 40, yet carrying an extra 20-30lbs of body fat.

To my knowledge, many of the people responding aren’t even into bodybuilding actively meaning you can’t relate their actions to someone who is.[/quote]

How is it that you identify so strongly with “bodybuilding”?? When have you ever stepped on stage? I’m not aware that you ever competed. If I’m wrong, please correct me. If I’m not wrong, aren’t your associations similar to a guy that consistently does the “big 3” while claiming to be a “powerlifter”? Even the kid that totaled 700 in his first and only meet got off his ass and onto stage to see what he can do. He’s a “powerlifter”. How is one a “bodybuilder” that never competed? Do you have a contest coming up? Do you have plans to compete? I’ve been here as long as anyone (different screen name in the beginning) and I remember you from the start and I don’t recall you ever competing.

Now, I’m asking this question is complete earnestness. I’m wondering exactly what your mind set is because you quite liberally waive the bodybuilding flag and are generally divisive among those that you consider “bodybuilders” and those that are not. Enlighten me please.[/quote]

Dude, you can call me what you wish. I really don’t care. I know what my goal is and I know no one is looking at me and assuming I am not lifting for a reason.

I have no interest in arguing about whether you alone acknowledge what I am after or my goals.

No one cares.[/quote]

Thanks for answering my honest question. You didn’t answer it, but you really did. Just as I thought.

So, the guy that does the big 3 as part of his normal routine - he’s a “powerlifter”? And the guy that goes to the park and plays some ball, he’s now a “basketball” player? Shall I continue?

I respect your goals. I respect your fucking progress - I really do. But you DO waive this bodybuilding flag around quite liberally and you do it divisively and for the life of me I don’t see how you consider yourself a “bodybuilder”.

So is it fair to say you’re just a “guy with goals”? If so, how are you goals more worthy than the goals of others here that you routinely dismiss by making continued references to bodybuilding?[/quote]

Holy crap.

Let me see if I can make this crystal clear for you since you seem to be having some problems in this thread. Just a heads up, but it’s not a good look.

Once again, I don’t care what you call me or if you agree with me. Your opinion of what I do or how I approach it has no worth to me.

However, as far as my own goals, I don’t see too many guys with 20" arms who take lifting lightly. If you do, good for you. I would see someone like that as far more advanced than the average gym rat whether they ever competed or not.

You see, that is MY opinion.

I have nothing to prove to you at all.[/quote]

Yeah. HOLY CRAP. You still haven’t answered a simple question. Big surprise. In case you didn’t notice, I didn’t express an opinion about you or your “goals”. Well, scratch that - I’ve come to fully expect you wouldn’t notice.

And the arm comment? Why? Shit, I had 19" arms and never did any direct arm work. Did that make me a “bodybuilder” too?

So it’s a matter of who’s “advanced” now? Your snobbery is showing again. It sounds insecure. And THAT’s not a good look.

TheBodyGuard · May 10, 2011, 3:13am

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
too much bickering…

I think the point of BG’s OP was that unless you are a seriously competitive BB or PL, or other wise superheavyweight athlete, it propbably is not wise health wise to carry 250lbs plus on your frame unless your are over 6-4".

I don’t understand why so many think that is a personal attack on the “bigger” or “hyooge” members of this board.

It is just a fact. Look on my profile, you will see pics of me when I was younger over 250lbs, and recent pics with me 220-230. I feel much better now lighter in my 40’s.

why all the anger over that?

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That WAS my point and I’d add that my point included not carrying that weight into middle age. If you do it while you’re younger, probably no harm no foul if you keep diet and cardio in check.

gregron · May 10, 2011, 3:34am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
My point was as middle age nears, it’s not healthy to be 250 plus no matter what the composition. It’s a strain on your heart - period. End of story.[/quote]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
The guy reiterated my point that being 250lb plus is not healthy…[/quote]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
NO ONE said “big muscles = poor health”. [/quote]

these statements kind of contradict each other…[/quote]

You’re cherry picking and quoting out of context - fallacious argument forms. Big surprise on Tnation.
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I didnt “cherry pick” or quote anything you said out of context. Which one of those quotes was taken out of context?
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lemonman456 · May 10, 2011, 3:19am

My mom was just watching “The Real Housewives of New York” and I was just dumbfounded at how stupid and whiny people could be even though they were successful and at around 40 years of age. Sometimes this site reminds me a lot of that show.

FrozenNinja · May 10, 2011, 3:20am

Remember that saying don’t sacrifice form for weight? Well the article is saying don’t sacrifice health for weight. Same concept. That doesn’t mean that u can’t gain muscle in a big way. It’s all about doing it smart in relation to your heAlth.

TheBodyGuard · May 10, 2011, 5:37am

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
My point was as middle age nears, it’s not healthy to be 250 plus no matter what the composition. It’s a strain on your heart - period. End of story.[/quote]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
The guy reiterated my point that being 250lb plus is not healthy…[/quote]

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
NO ONE said “big muscles = poor health”. [/quote]

these statements kind of contradict each other…[/quote]

You’re cherry picking and quoting out of context - fallacious argument forms. Big surprise on Tnation.
[/quote]

I didnt “cherry pick” or quote anything you said out of context. Which one of those quotes was taken out of context?
EDITED[/quote]

Do you want to debate that in light of my clarification? Do you have an intelligent rebuttal to my clarified point or are you looking for disagreement for the sake of disagreement?

BONEZ217 · May 10, 2011, 11:39am