Most Aggressive Sport

[quote]IronHell wrote:
WMD wrote:
Yes I’ve played rugby, even had a scrum collapse on me. Big deal. And whatever women’s football you’ve watched, doesn’t sound like the real deal to me, since I’ve seen tackles that nearly took someone’s head off. And I’ve seen my fair share of people taken off to the hospital, unconcious from having taken a real pop.

Don’t tell me you put on some Pop Warner league pads and tell me you know how much pro level gear weighs. Since you don’t seem to know this, I’ll let you in on a little secret: different positions wear different pads, i.e. the quarterbacks pads and helmet are different from those worn by, say, the nose tackle.

Depending on what league we’re talking about, a football player may have to play both sides of the ball and special teams as well.

Like I said, all rugby smack talkers, feel free to put on the pads and play the game. Haven’t seen it happen yet. Just a bunch of BS.

Pipe’s back in your hand, bro.

WMD

A few things, yes I’ve played football, and no, it wasn’t a big deal, but now that’s just my opinion vs. yours, so no point in going down that path.

As for the tackles I was referring to, I am talking about female RUGBY players, the ones I’ve seen don’t seem to be able to tackle so what I was not so subtly hinting at is that the female rugby-turned football players whining about football may not be the “real deal” .

As for equipment, shrugs no I am not a professional football player, but it sounds like you are, so I’ll just take your word for it. But 40 lbs of equipment sounds like a lot of padding.

You mentioned some players play both sides, please enlighten me, what positions do you have in mind? Do you play both d, o, and special teams?

And you didn’t address the numerous number of huddles (read: rest) you have…

As for injuries, I didn’t factor that into the equation because there can be so many variables. For example, if one was out of shape, one was more prone to getting hurt, if one doesn’t know how to take a hit and/or fall, one is more prone to getting hurt etc. If injuries are what govern what is the most “aggressive” sport, then by all means MWA should win it. Hell, even hockey would beat out rugby and football (I would argue).

Right back at ya :wink:

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Heh, you got me man. It’s all pretty subjective. I don’t play football anymore mainly because I want to be able to walk in my old age. And then there’s that whole grad school thing which seems to eat up alot of my time. I just enjoy a good debate from time to time, but I admit rugby is a tough sport. I’m just not completely convinced it’s objectively any tougher than American football. Hell, if we use brawls as the defining aspect of aggro sport, we’d have to include ML baseball in the mix. Hockey is pretty nuts.

Actually, the roughest “sport” I’ve ever seen is two chicks fighting over a man. Now that is some nasty business: noses bitten off, weaves pulled out, nail files used in truly unintended ways. Yecch.

Anyway, peace to you man. Except on the pitch.

WMD

[quote]michelle wrote:
go watch a football game…now imagine the same level of violence WITHOUT pads and helmets. welcome to rugby! (i am curretnly sporting a lovely cleat imprint in shades of green and purple on my right thigh grin)[/quote]

man rugby players and no where near the size of nfl players. plus those same NFL players are just as fast or even faster than rugby players.

although i do give rugby its props for being a crazy sport

[quote]Dan wrote:
The most violent sport (war is not a sport) that I’ve ever engaged in is rugby. Rugby provides players with more potential for inflicting harm on others than any other team sport in my experience. As far as individual sports go, boxing has to be the most physically demanding, blood-thirst satisfying sport ever devised–especially bare knuckle! [/quote]

I would say that rugby league is probably more aggressive than union, just because the nature of the game allows bigger hits in the tackles and you are allowed to shoulder charge, which you can’t do in union. It is also a faster game requiring more endurance, although union has come a long way in speeding up since turning professional in the early 90’s. Union is my favourite game but I have to say that league is tougher to play.

[quote]BigCorey75 wrote:
michelle wrote:
go watch a football game…now imagine the same level of violence WITHOUT pads and helmets. welcome to rugby! (i am curretnly sporting a lovely cleat imprint in shades of green and purple on my right thigh grin)

man rugby players and no where near the size of nfl players. plus those same NFL players are just as fast or even faster than rugby players.

although i do give rugby its props for being a crazy sport
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Yes, the NFL players are bigger but that size is used over a much shorter distance and time period than in either of the rugby codes. In rugby league for example the teams are separated by ten metres at each tackle, so the increased run up distance results in some pretty huge collisions. The biggest guys in league would be in the 115-125kg range, but they run about 8-10km per game, now i may be wrong but I can’t see the big NFL guys doing that for a whole 80 minutes, but they are completely different games and the athletes are tailored to t game accordingly, so it’s a bit hard to compare between sports.

[quote]BigCorey75 wrote:

man rugby players and no where near the size of nfl players. plus those same NFL players are just as fast or even faster than rugby players.

although i do give rugby its props for being a crazy sport
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I have given one example in Jonah Lomu… Go through the entire list of players of the National Teams from Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and any other nations where rugby is among its main sports. Please realize that if you only look at USA?s rugby players, then you are probably right (although I haven?t done my research) because our national team sucks BECAUSE the top picks go to NFL and NOT rugby.

Realize that we aren’t just comparing size nor only speed, because if we did, then sumo wrestling would win, and then track. We are talking most aggressive, we are talking best compromises among all the athletic traits, that being (but not all inclusive of) speed, ENDURANCE, agility, strength, etc.

I’m no expert on NFL or similar sports, but I don’t recall the last time I heard of instances of eye-gouging, head-stomping (sprigs / cleats straight onto on the noggin), ear-biting or nutsack-shredding shenanigans in such sports. While not regular (or desirable) occurrences, these types of things happen often enough at the highest professional level of Rugby Union (in front of all the cameras and referees you care to throw at the problem). Imagine what that says about the trench warfare that goes on in semi-professional or amateur divisions with even less oversight.

However, overall, Rugby League is a far more physical, brutal contest. One-man hit-ups at velocity against a solid wall of doughty defenders. The physical toll of a game of League is frightful. The big workhorses can make upwards of forty tackles in a game and as many as twenty runs at the line. A true game of attrition.

Having played both sports, I have a mutal respect for both… However I believe this can best be related by Martin Johnson, England’s World Cup Championship Captian, and world class lock. I believe it was back in 2001 he came across the pond to participate in training camp with the San Fransico 49er’s. After the camp was over, there was a mutaul respect displayed by both football and rugby players. Both said each other were “crazy”. Football players for their recklass abandon at which they throw their bodies at each other for the big hit, and rugby players for their stamina and willingness to play with out pads.

[quote]bg100 wrote:

I would say that rugby league is probably more aggressive than union, just because the nature of the game allows bigger hits in the tackles and you are allowed to shoulder charge, which you can’t do in union. It is also a faster game requiring more endurance, although union has come a long way in speeding up since turning professional in the early 90’s. Union is my favourite game but I have to say that league is tougher to play.[/quote]

Agreed. Rugby League is just like running into a brick wall.

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It doesn’t get more aggressive than actively attempting to kick the shit out of your opponent. No other goal.

MMA, Boxing, Jui jitsu, Stick fighting like the dog brothers do it ( http://www.dogbrothers.com/ check out the promo vid ) That’s aggressive to me.

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[quote]Gussetscud wrote:
I’m no expert on NFL or similar sports, but I don’t recall the last time I heard of instances of eye-gouging, head-stomping (sprigs / cleats straight onto on the noggin), ear-biting or nutsack-shredding shenanigans in such sports. While not regular (or desirable) occurrences, these types of things happen often enough at the highest professional level of Rugby Union (in front of all the cameras and referees you care to throw at the problem). Imagine what that says about the trench warfare that goes on in semi-professional or amateur divisions with even less oversight.

However, overall, Rugby League is a far more physical, brutal contest. One-man hit-ups at velocity against a solid wall of doughty defenders. The physical toll of a game of League is frightful. The big workhorses can make upwards of forty tackles in a game and as many as twenty runs at the line. A true game of attrition.[/quote]

I forgot to mention a recent case from Australian Rugby League. John Hopoate was suspended and fined for the unique infringement of on-field digital anal violation of other players - the Hopoate special. Very unsavoury fellow

How about ice hockey where bare knuckles fighting is legal and guys beat each other with sticks all game long. :smiley: