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[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
Floyd is my favorite fighter ever…of all time! but I cant give him that crown of all-time greatest. not yet anyway. Its hard to judge it like that, there just isn’t any fighters besides Pac who are truly great Athletes aswell as boxers in this crop. Mayweather wont be tested like the greats from the past were, so how do you judge him? and where does that leave him? We cant just simply say Ray Leonard would kick his ass, or Hagler would push his face in. when its all said and done we can just put him in that group, not on top and not on bottom.[/quote]

It’s not difficult to say Hagler would strip Mayweather of his unbeaten record.

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I get what your sayin, but we cant answer it that easily…would hagler just punch through Floyds gloves and arms? would floyd be able to avoid exchanging with hagler and pick and choose when engage? I actually think Hagler would win, but Im not gonna just discredit a fighter of Floyds caliber[/quote]

And you shouldn’t, especially when Sugar Ray Leonard fought and ‘beat’ Hagler like he did.

But I think if Floyd won by decision, it would be very, very questionable, just like the Leonard-Hagler fight.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

It’s so difficult to pick the right guy it’s crazy. Angelo Dundee picked Hatton over Pac, and Shane over Floyd. Who knows more about boxing than that guy?
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Not really. With lower more equal fighters yes, but with fighters like Mayweather, Pac, even hatton before he got knocked out you could tell who’s going to win. But most of the time people want to go for the underdog, or whoever they can associate with.

Every philipino wants to see pac win so they will say he will. All people who hate ass holes will say he’s going to win also, but everybody knows Mayweather is going to win because of all the reasons you already stated. When you watch these guys training and how they conduct themselves you can tell what’s going to happen.

Mayweather has an uncanny ability to not get ahead of himself, yes he talks shit to promote his fights but when he gets to training. His training is pure boxing, pure focus pure his style and been this way for 30 years. When he goes in the ring with people and gets punched in the face his style doesn’t change. He takes full advantage of the rules of Boxing to win fights.

I can say he’s the most skilled and talented I’ve ever seen but I can’t give him the edge over the legends. Boxing originated unlimited rounds until someone got knocked out so people went in to the ring with the intention of knocking the other guys head off.

Because the people who make the rules wanted to protect the fighters they made it shorter rounds and more about points. Essentially if a Boxer chooses that they don’t want to compete at fighting they can just score points and this takes away from the essence of boxing. It started some time ago with Oscar and Tito and Mayweather is the culmination of this and why fans have left boxing. He brings money with his mouth and attitude but if he didn’t have that, he would not get the huge pay days because he does not fight… he scores points. If he has somebody against the ropes and knows the guy won’t do anything for the next 6 rounds he will just go in the ring and stand there.

I could not imagine if I was watching basketball and they decided well the other team is so scared of me that I will not bother putting the ball in the basket for the next 10 minutes we can just stand on opposite end of the court until the game is over.

If they want to fix boxing a new rule will have to be implemented that boxers have to fight.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
Floyd is my favorite fighter ever…of all time! but I cant give him that crown of all-time greatest. not yet anyway. Its hard to judge it like that, there just isn’t any fighters besides Pac who are truly great Athletes aswell as boxers in this crop. Mayweather wont be tested like the greats from the past were, so how do you judge him? and where does that leave him? We cant just simply say Ray Leonard would kick his ass, or Hagler would push his face in. when its all said and done we can just put him in that group, not on top and not on bottom.[/quote]

It’s not difficult to say Hagler would strip Mayweather of his unbeaten record.

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I get what your sayin, but we cant answer it that easily…would hagler just punch through Floyds gloves and arms? would floyd be able to avoid exchanging with hagler and pick and choose when engage? I actually think Hagler would win, but Im not gonna just discredit a fighter of Floyds caliber[/quote]

And you shouldn’t, especially when Sugar Ray Leonard fought and ‘beat’ Hagler like he did.

But I think if Floyd won by decision, it would be very, very questionable, just like the Leonard-Hagler fight.
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Floyd would win, he’s an extremely skilled fighter. He has learned from all those fighters, he knows how to get in and out. Those fighters would need the video and coaches and years of analysis to attack Mayweather. Not a 6 month training camp. Mayweather’s entire life has basically been a training camp.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Because the people who make the rules wanted to protect the fighters they made it shorter rounds and more about points. Essentially if a Boxer chooses that they don’t want to compete at fighting they can just score points and this takes away from the essence of boxing. It started some time ago with Oscar and Tito and Mayweather is the culmination of this and why fans have left boxing. He brings money with his mouth and attitude but if he didn’t have that, he would not get the huge pay days because he does not fight… he scores points. If he has somebody against the ropes and knows the guy won’t do anything for the next 6 rounds he will just go in the ring and stand there.

I could not imagine if I was watching basketball and they decided well the other team is so scared of me that I will not bother putting the ball in the basket for the next 10 minutes we can just stand on opposite end of the court until the game is over.

If they want to fix boxing a new rule will have to be implemented that boxers have to fight.[/quote]

I think the phenomena of which you speak has been a part of the sport for some time.
Think Willie Pep.
I read Bert Sugar’s Top 100 fighters book a while back and can remember more than a few old greats that made the list that he described as being decision artists.
In the end, the name of the game, in any combat sport, is to demonstrate superiority, dominance, over one’s opponents, within the rules. This could mean by engaging in a risky but plainly entertaining manner, or a more measured, calculated approach.
Personally I can watch either as long as it’s not a re-run of the Silva-Maia UFC MW fight.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
Floyd is my favorite fighter ever…of all time! but I cant give him that crown of all-time greatest. not yet anyway. Its hard to judge it like that, there just isn’t any fighters besides Pac who are truly great Athletes aswell as boxers in this crop. Mayweather wont be tested like the greats from the past were, so how do you judge him? and where does that leave him? We cant just simply say Ray Leonard would kick his ass, or Hagler would push his face in. when its all said and done we can just put him in that group, not on top and not on bottom.[/quote]

It’s not difficult to say Hagler would strip Mayweather of his unbeaten record.

[/quote]

I get what your sayin, but we cant answer it that easily…would hagler just punch through Floyds gloves and arms? would floyd be able to avoid exchanging with hagler and pick and choose when engage? I actually think Hagler would win, but Im not gonna just discredit a fighter of Floyds caliber[/quote]

And you shouldn’t, especially when Sugar Ray Leonard fought and ‘beat’ Hagler like he did.

But I think if Floyd won by decision, it would be very, very questionable, just like the Leonard-Hagler fight.
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Floyd would win, he’s an extremely skilled fighter. He has learned from all those fighters, he knows how to get in and out. Those fighters would need the video and coaches and years of analysis to attack Mayweather. Not a 6 month training camp. Mayweather’s entire life has basically been a training camp. [/quote]
newsflash he fights like he does because his dad taught him to, little floyd wasn’t sitting there watching old tapes to perfect his style. The shoulder roll is nothing new.

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[quote]Live4Deadlift wrote:
Face it guys, Mayweather will not lose a professional bout in his entire career. He will lay the same beating to Pacman as he would to Martinez and every other clown dumb enough to fight him. He is just way too good, has never been fully stretched in a fight and is too smart to keep fighting after he degenerates with age. Best boxer of all time in my opinion, its a privilege to watch such genius.[/quote]

Sugar Ray Leonard was beyond a shadow of a doubt the smartest boxer of all time and he fought 'till he was retarded.

On to the fight. Pretty much as I expected, except worse. I thought this fight was made for Mayweather but even I was surprised at how one sided it was. I guess those who picked Floyd by KO won’t be laughed at now.

I think the fight with Pac will be determined by how well he stands up to Mayweather’s power. Regardless of what he does he will eat huge right hands at several points in the fight. If he can walk through them I could see him winning the fight. I do not think Floyd would enjoy fighting Manny.

I never thought I would say that the Pac’s chin would be a determining factor in a fight with Mayweather but… there you go.

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[quote]duffyj2 wrote:

[quote]Live4Deadlift wrote:
Face it guys, Mayweather will not lose a professional bout in his entire career. He will lay the same beating to Pacman as he would to Martinez and every other clown dumb enough to fight him. He is just way too good, has never been fully stretched in a fight and is too smart to keep fighting after he degenerates with age. Best boxer of all time in my opinion, its a privilege to watch such genius.[/quote]

Sugar Ray Leonard was beyond a shadow of a doubt the smartest boxer of all time and he fought 'till he was retarded.

On to the fight. Pretty much as I expected, except worse. I thought this fight was made for Mayweather but even I was surprised at how one sided it was. I guess those who picked Floyd by KO won’t be laughed at now.

I think the fight with Pac will be determined by how well he stands up to Mayweather’s power. Regardless of what he does he will eat huge right hands at several points in the fight. If he can walk through them I could see him winning the fight. I do not think Floyd would enjoy fighting Manny.

I never thought I would say that the Pac’s chin would be a determining factor in a fight with Mayweather but… there you go. [/quote]

Well, Floyd doesn’t have all that much power. He couldn’t knock out Marquez, or DLH, or Mosley, or anyone else in the welterweight division.

What goes against Manny is that he is still very small for a welterweight, and would probably be better fitted against 140 lbers. Floyd might be able to knock him out, but it’s doubtful… Floyd only goes for knockouts when he’s got someone nearly dead- he wouldn’t even really go for it against Marquez, do you really think he’d go for it against someone that has the one-punch power that Manny has?

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^ I wouldn’t say it is going to be determined by whether or not Mayweather can knock him out, but rather as he said if Pacman can walk thru his punches. Mayweather breaks his opponents down mentally by making them miss then tagging them hard and quick making them not want to throw anymore. If pacman can walk thru those punches and not let them discourage him and KEEP THROWING as he has been doing with everyone else he fights I say he takes it, because unlike Shane, Manny wont look for the one punch knock out, rather he goes for the plethora of shots and lets the knockout come more naturally. If he eats a few good ones and starts being more cautious as Mosley did after the 3rd or 4th round then he loses. I think Manny’s age and confidence and mental toughness will be enough to accomplish this. But judging how well someone can take shots and not get discouraged is a difficult thing to determine in another fighter.

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[quote]duffyj2 wrote:

[quote]Live4Deadlift wrote:
Face it guys, Mayweather will not lose a professional bout in his entire career. He will lay the same beating to Pacman as he would to Martinez and every other clown dumb enough to fight him. He is just way too good, has never been fully stretched in a fight and is too smart to keep fighting after he degenerates with age. Best boxer of all time in my opinion, its a privilege to watch such genius.[/quote]

Sugar Ray Leonard was beyond a shadow of a doubt the smartest boxer of all time and he fought 'till he was retarded.

On to the fight. Pretty much as I expected, except worse. I thought this fight was made for Mayweather but even I was surprised at how one sided it was. I guess those who picked Floyd by KO won’t be laughed at now.

I think the fight with Pac will be determined by how well he stands up to Mayweather’s power. Regardless of what he does he will eat huge right hands at several points in the fight. If he can walk through them I could see him winning the fight. I do not think Floyd would enjoy fighting Manny.

I never thought I would say that the Pac’s chin would be a determining factor in a fight with Mayweather but… there you go. [/quote]

I think it’s going to be a question of whether he’s trying to stay inside or fight as the welterweight Pacquiao. If he stays inside he can outwork Mayweather, but if he stays outside Mayweather will just outbox him.

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
Floyd is my favorite fighter ever…of all time! but I cant give him that crown of all-time greatest. not yet anyway. Its hard to judge it like that, there just isn’t any fighters besides Pac who are truly great Athletes aswell as boxers in this crop. Mayweather wont be tested like the greats from the past were, so how do you judge him? and where does that leave him? We cant just simply say Ray Leonard would kick his ass, or Hagler would push his face in. when its all said and done we can just put him in that group, not on top and not on bottom.[/quote]

It’s not difficult to say Hagler would strip Mayweather of his unbeaten record.

[/quote]

I get what your sayin, but we cant answer it that easily…would hagler just punch through Floyds gloves and arms? would floyd be able to avoid exchanging with hagler and pick and choose when engage? I actually think Hagler would win, but Im not gonna just discredit a fighter of Floyds caliber[/quote]

I like Floyd Mayweather, but he hasn’t done anything to suggest he can beat any top 20 fighter near his weight class. And to be honest he’ll be remembered as the best fighter of the 2000s, not one of the best of all time.

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[quote]Well, Floyd doesn’t have all that much power. He couldn’t knock out Marquez, or DLH, or Mosley, or anyone else in the welterweight division.

What goes against Manny is that he is still very small for a welterweight, and would probably be better fitted against 140 lbers. Floyd might be able to knock him out, but it’s doubtful… Floyd only goes for knockouts when he’s got someone nearly dead- he wouldn’t even really go for it against Marquez, do you really think he’d go for it against someone that has the one-punch power that Manny has?[/quote]

I would have said the same thing, before this fight. But now I simply think that Floyd wasn’t trying. I think he was just cruising to points wins. I think if he wants to, he can throw that right hand HARD.

I’m not saying that the fight will be determined by whether Mayweather knocking/not knocking Manny out. I’m saying that it will be determined by whether the danger is there. If he can rock Manny, it means that the Pac man won’t be able to come in all guns blazing, and we all know what happens if it goes “back to boxing”.

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[quote]duffyj2 wrote:

[quote]Well, Floyd doesn’t have all that much power. He couldn’t knock out Marquez, or DLH, or Mosley, or anyone else in the welterweight division.

What goes against Manny is that he is still very small for a welterweight, and would probably be better fitted against 140 lbers. Floyd might be able to knock him out, but it’s doubtful… Floyd only goes for knockouts when he’s got someone nearly dead- he wouldn’t even really go for it against Marquez, do you really think he’d go for it against someone that has the one-punch power that Manny has?[/quote]

I would have said the same thing, before this fight. But now I simply think that Floyd wasn’t trying. I think he was just cruising to points wins. I think if he wants to, he can throw that right hand HARD.

I’m not saying that the fight will be determined by whether Mayweather knocking/not knocking Manny out. I’m saying that it will be determined by whether the danger is there. If he can rock Manny, it means that the Pac man won’t be able to come in all guns blazing, and we all know what happens if it goes “back to boxing”. [/quote]

I agree with you on the punching power…after watching V. Mosley again and V. Marquez, I noticed Floyd doesnt always rotate his hips or push off the back foot when he he throws his right. I wonder how much power he generates when he does throw a true power shot, with all the mechanics that come w/a power right?

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[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

I agree with you on the punching power…after watching V. Mosley again and V. Marquez, I noticed Floyd doesnt always rotate his hips or push off the back foot when he he throws his right. I wonder how much power he generates when he does throw a true power shot, with all the mechanics that come w/a power right?[/quote]

Ask Ricky Hatton

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

I agree with you on the punching power…after watching V. Mosley again and V. Marquez, I noticed Floyd doesnt always rotate his hips or push off the back foot when he he throws his right. I wonder how much power he generates when he does throw a true power shot, with all the mechanics that come w/a power right?[/quote]

Ask Ricky Hatton[/quote]

I’d like to ask him which hurt more! Mayweathers knockout or Manny’s… =) Or whether or not he remembers either!

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And also remember fellas- Floyd’s hands are brittle. He’s broken one already and has had constant problems with them, so don’t be surprised if he doesn’t throw that right hand hard- he’s as likely to break his hand as knock the other guy out.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

I agree with you on the punching power…after watching V. Mosley again and V. Marquez, I noticed Floyd doesnt always rotate his hips or push off the back foot when he he throws his right. I wonder how much power he generates when he does throw a true power shot, with all the mechanics that come w/a power right?[/quote]

Ask Ricky Hatton[/quote]

funny as shit…oh di you see Hatton at the weigh-ins? jeez he looked like homer simpson…now I see why they call him Ricky Fatton

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
And also remember fellas- Floyd’s hands are brittle. He’s broken one already and has had constant problems with them, so don’t be surprised if he doesn’t throw that right hand hard- he’s as likely to break his hand as knock the other guy out. [/quote]

hopefully If/When he and Pac fight, Floyd is like fuck it imma retire after this anyway and push a style we havent seen. controlled, but a lil more aggressive/risky than he was with Mosley…more power shots or combos. But that may play into PacMans hands, so maybe not

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Does anyone else think Mayweather wont get credit for beating Pacquiao if they fight and Mayweather wins?

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

I agree with you on the punching power…after watching V. Mosley again and V. Marquez, I noticed Floyd doesnt always rotate his hips or push off the back foot when he he throws his right. I wonder how much power he generates when he does throw a true power shot, with all the mechanics that come w/a power right?[/quote]

Ask Ricky Hatton[/quote]

The right hand was in its prime at 130.

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]duffyj2 wrote:

[quote]Well, Floyd doesn’t have all that much power. He couldn’t knock out Marquez, or DLH, or Mosley, or anyone else in the welterweight division.

What goes against Manny is that he is still very small for a welterweight, and would probably be better fitted against 140 lbers. Floyd might be able to knock him out, but it’s doubtful… Floyd only goes for knockouts when he’s got someone nearly dead- he wouldn’t even really go for it against Marquez, do you really think he’d go for it against someone that has the one-punch power that Manny has?[/quote]

I would have said the same thing, before this fight. But now I simply think that Floyd wasn’t trying. I think he was just cruising to points wins. I think if he wants to, he can throw that right hand HARD.

I’m not saying that the fight will be determined by whether Mayweather knocking/not knocking Manny out. I’m saying that it will be determined by whether the danger is there. If he can rock Manny, it means that the Pac man won’t be able to come in all guns blazing, and we all know what happens if it goes “back to boxing”. [/quote]

I agree with you on the punching power…after watching V. Mosley again and V. Marquez, I noticed Floyd doesnt always rotate his hips or push off the back foot when he he throws his right. I wonder how much power he generates when he does throw a true power shot, with all the mechanics that come w/a power right?[/quote]

He can make you “lose” your legs but that’s primarily because of his timing and speed, to be honest his left hook is his most powerful shot.

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[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

I agree with you on the punching power…after watching V. Mosley again and V. Marquez, I noticed Floyd doesnt always rotate his hips or push off the back foot when he he throws his right. I wonder how much power he generates when he does throw a true power shot, with all the mechanics that come w/a power right?[/quote]

Ask Ricky Hatton[/quote]

funny as shit…oh di you see Hatton at the weigh-ins? jeez he looked like homer simpson…now I see why they call him Ricky Fatton[/quote]

He always does that. I think the blubber is keeping him well insulated too, because it’s usually pretty cold in the weigh in rooms and he wasn’t wearing much.

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[quote]goldengloves wrote:

The right hand was in its prime at 130.
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Absolutely it was. He was tough at that weight.

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[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

I agree with you on the punching power…after watching V. Mosley again and V. Marquez, I noticed Floyd doesnt always rotate his hips or push off the back foot when he he throws his right. I wonder how much power he generates when he does throw a true power shot, with all the mechanics that come w/a power right?[/quote]

Ask Ricky Hatton[/quote]

funny as shit…oh di you see Hatton at the weigh-ins? jeez he looked like homer simpson…now I see why they call him Ricky Fatton[/quote]

He always does that. I think the blubber is keeping him well insulated too, because it’s usually pretty cold in the weigh in rooms and he wasn’t wearing much.[/quote]

Ricky Hatton’s still my favorite… classic brawler, even if his career was cut short by the bottle.