[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
That’s the other thing. Floyd’s best punch is his lead right, and Manny will get hit with that all night unless Freddie Roach came up with a way around it… and even then, there’s no saying that Floyd wouldn’t adjust.
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I would love to hear what Freddie thinks about Floyd now. I know he respects his skill, but he has said (twice on Jim Rome’s radio Show) that he knows how to beat Floyd. Well, which Floyd does he know how to beat now?
Wow, we’re arguing about a fight that will NEVER happen. Pac ain’t getting jabbed with a needle a day before a big fight and May will won’t step in the ring unless he does.
But since we’re making predictions, I say May by decision. Mays best punch is his right hand which is the best punch against a southpaw. But there’s no way May is going to stand and bang with Pac, he’ll hit and grab and use his textbook air tight defense. If you don’t think Pac can’t hurt May, you’re just a hater.
And you can’t take anything from Mosley in this fight and compare it to Pac just as you can’t take anything from Clottey and compare it to May.
That Mosley in the ring yesterday was just plain crap. He was throwing pitty pat punches, looked slow, and was off-balance. Like I said, he looked like DLH in his last fight.
I tell you though- I don’t want anyone to think I’m taking anything away from Pacquaio. That cat can rumble, and he’s fast and uses good angles.
And remember- if he throws ALOT of punches, that wins rounds sometimes.
I think Mayweather would win, but I think that it has the potential to be one of the greatest fights of all time- especially if Floyd does what he did with Mosley, and decides to stand and bang… it’s definitely the only interesting bout out there.
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…Didnt u just say “it wouldnt even be close?” come on man, mayweathers very very good, but if pac cant beat him, no welter can. Anyway, props to mayweather, fought a good fight beat the piss out of mosley. I was going nuts in the 2nd round, but affter that it was all pretty boy. And what u said about roach saying that mosley was too good for pac to fight, well that was just out of context. The situation was, pacquiao could have fought cotto, or mosley. But as we know there was more money to be made with cotto. So Roach was saying, why fight a fighter as good as shane for less money than fight a big a name as cotto. They had 2 top fighters lined up and the took the bigger money maker…something Floyd ALWAYS does. May definatly gained a lot of respect last night, now line up pac. I just think its ridiculous to say that either one would dominate to the point of saying it wasn’t even close. They are both too good right now to just have one blown out of the water. anyway, bring on pac, i cant wait for manny to whoop that ass.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Mosley looked awful. He looked tight and wound up in the early rounds and utterly exhausted by the late rounds.
Mayweather completely outclassed him in every regard. I think he really got inside Shane’s head, and when he wanted to stand and fight, I think he surprised Shane.
Mayweather really is that good though. Sugar Shane looked old and slow, but Mayweather still beat his ass. A younger Shane may have had a better chance, especially at lightweight, but I don’t think anyone can beat Mayweather right now.
And Pacquiao? He will get slaughtered. Shut out, beat down, annihilated, no contest. Floyd is too fast, too accurate, too big, and never tires. He will get Pac so wound up before the fight that Pac won’t know what to do.
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Shane has been looking tight for like 10 years, that’s just Shane Mosley. Mosley has never been great against boxers, but he was just too busy headhunting against Mayweather. Shane Mosley couldn’t just stand and bang with Mayweather so he was looking for a big shot, and if Shane Followed Naazim’s directions Shane could of definitely made it a close fight. Is Shane Mosley done for? No, he can still fight… Just not against someone who’s the best boxer in the sport. I think he could get a tuneup fight, beat Berto, and have a few more fights before hanging the gloves up.
I think he should just fight Martinez, the Pacquiao fight will just end in excuses. I’ve Mayweather winning, and when Mayweather wins people will just say he beat a smaller guy.
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
but Floyd has a much longer reach, and everytime Pac comes in Floyd is going to peg him- and that will keep Pac from coming in, or it will get him knocked out. Floyd is too accurate, too big, and too fast for Pacquiao.[/quote]
Irish makes a great point here. people underestimate the smallest things in boxing when the small things are what wins fights. That reach and jab are very hard get around. Doesnt seem like much, but how you like to get smacked in the face every time you even think about throwing? Accuracy, I dont see Pacquaio being as accurate with his “flurrys” against Floyd and Floyd will be accurate against who ever he fights he only throws 1 or 2 calculated punches at a time. I believe Pacquaio is just as conditioned as Money but this type of fight, a “thinking mans fight”, will take PacMan where he has never been before. [/quote]
Pacquiao has been “taken” before, against Mayweather it’ll just be more more difficult for him. Roach isn’t going to test WW power so I’d say it’s safe to expect the “WW Pacquiao” in a Mayweather fight, and that “WW Pacquiao” just wont be able to stay with Floyd. To be honest I don’t think Mayweather/Pacquiao is the fight everyone makes it out to be, I think a fight with Sergio Martinez would be a better test for Mayweather.
Pacquiao will always have to come to Floyd in the fight, Pacquiao can be countered successfully, and Floyd is going to be too elusive and intelligent.
[quote]fnf wrote:
Wow, we’re arguing about a fight that will NEVER happen. Pac ain’t getting jabbed with a needle a day before a big fight and May will won’t step in the ring unless he does.
But since we’re making predictions, I say May by decision. Mays best punch is his right hand which is the best punch against a southpaw. But there’s no way May is going to stand and bang with Pac, he’ll hit and grab and use his textbook air tight defense. If you don’t think Pac can’t hurt May, you’re just a hater.
And you can’t take anything from Mosley in this fight and compare it to Pac just as you can’t take anything from Clottey and compare it to May.
That Mosley in the ring yesterday was just plain crap. He was throwing pitty pat punches, looked slow, and was off-balance. Like I said, he looked like DLH in his last fight. [/quote]
Not really, Mayweather was never adamant about testing within a week of the bout. He offered the 14 day cutoff, remember? I think the fight will end up happening unless Pacquiao comes back and wants less testing than he originally agreed to.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Pac does best against fighters that come right at you- Morales, Hatton, DLH, etc. He has lots of trouble with counterpunchers like Marquez- and Floyd is the best counterpuncher out there.
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You still think Floyd is the best counterpuncher out there? He hasn’t really been a big counterpuncher since 130 or 135, IMO.
Also, how do you guys think he would fare against Paul Williams? On the one hand, Williams’ size, speed and workrate spell a decision for him. On the other hand, Williams struggled against Martinez’ counterpunches and Mayweather would probably tag him coming in.
paul williams is just weird to me, what is he 6’ or 6’ 1" fighting at 147 and 154? I think dude should gain some weight and fight some one his size. Nothing against your suggestion, but nobody we have have even discussed at welter weightis over 5’ 10" and most are at 5’8" or shorter. I think paul williams loses to Dirrell or Ward(5’10") if he ever ate something and moved into a weight class better suited for him
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Pac does best against fighters that come right at you- Morales, Hatton, DLH, etc. He has lots of trouble with counterpunchers like Marquez- and Floyd is the best counterpuncher out there.
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You still think Floyd is the best counterpuncher out there? He hasn’t really been a big counterpuncher since 130 or 135, IMO.
Also, how do you guys think he would fare against Paul Williams? On the one hand, Williams’ size, speed and workrate spell a decision for him. On the other hand, Williams struggled against Martinez’ counterpunches and Mayweather would probably tag him coming in.
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Floyd is a pot-shotter, but he definitely is still a counterpuncher. Not so much against Mosley, because he was backing Mosley up, but against Marquez and absolutely against Hatton.
Against Paul Williams… I don’t know. Hes fucking huge at 6’1, and he has a wingspan like a damn terodactyl. That’s a hard fight for anyone, but he may just be too big for Mayweather who’s only like 5’8. I don’t think Williams can make 147 anymore though, and if he did he would probably look like death.
Now if Floyd goes up to 154, or 160, and fights against Martinez… that’s a bizarre fight. Martinez is cagey as shit, hell, I don’t even know who to compare him too… but he keeps his hands low, so Floyd would have oppurtunities to land blows. Plus, Martinez is relatively new to boxing, and he doesn’t have the pedigree that Floyd has (even though he’s a superb athlete).
I just don’t know about that one… but if Floyd takes it, he’s got big brass balls, because those are some big dogs to fight when you’re able to come in a pound under the WW limit.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
Pacquiao has been “taken” before, against Mayweather it’ll just be more more difficult for him. Roach isn’t going to test WW power so I’d say it’s safe to expect the “WW Pacquiao” in a Mayweather fight, and that “WW Pacquiao” just wont be able to stay with Floyd. To be honest I don’t think Mayweather/Pacquiao is the fight everyone makes it out to be, I think a fight with Sergio Martinez would be a better test for Mayweather.
Pacquiao will always have to come to Floyd in the fight, Pacquiao can be countered successfully, and Floyd is going to be too elusive and intelligent.
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by “taken that far” I meant mentally pushed to his limits. Yeah Pac has been in a few wars thats because everyone sits there and bangs with him. Not happening with Floyd. If Pac decides to man up and take the test and fight, he and Roach are going to have to find a way to make Floyd fight “their” fight…thats what its all about, athinking mans game. Pac has all the physical tools to beat Floyd, but does he have enough discipline to stick to a game plan? and does he have it enough upstairs to beat Floyd? We all know Floyd does.
Roach isn’t going to let Pacquiao go to war at 147, due to that I see it being a really hard fight for him.
Was anyone else laughing at Lampley attempting to say “cerveza Tecate”?
Yeah that whole crew fuckin kills me…emmanuel stuart stares into the camera like he’s retarded, Merchant just Rambles about nothing, Lampley cuts them off all the time and seems to zone out whenever Merchant speaks. Its comedy listening to them. I do like Max Kellerman when he’s on, he has pretty good commentary.
Did you guys catch Merchant in the 2nd round, say he thought Mayweather was faking it when Mosley hurt him? That was way out there, shit my heart almost fell out my ass when it happened, he was obviously hurt.
As you said before Irish, style makes fights. Pacman’s style and aggressiveness is different then that of Mosley’s so to look at the mosley fight and judge how pacquiao would do is pointless. I look at what I would think a fighter would need to beat mayweather. He would need great movement, great speed, great power, and the ability to continue to throw even while getting hit. I think pacquiao has this.
If Pacman was the same size as Mayweather I would bet my right arm the pacman wins, but you’re right Irish he is smaller with a shorter reach. But I look at a fighter that has been DOMINATING welterweights the way pacquaio has, and he dominates GREAT fighters, and I have a hard time when people say “yeah, he beats EVERYONE with knockouts, but he’ll lose to so and so”.
Mayweather will give him a fight of his life, but I say all bets are off! I love betting on fights, it makes it more interesting, but on the night that fight takes place, no bets, no bullshit, just watch and appreciate the chance to live in the era of such an amazing battle between to guys who are well above their peers. The thought gives me goosebumps.
Honestly if they make that fight $200 to watch on PPV, I would probably pay it!! I want it to happen, it has to happen!! PLEASE BOXING GODS!!! lol
I like the fact Irish said Pacquiao would get slaughtered. So I guess Pacman gives Floyd his first loss by KO? Just kidding. I’m starting to think that nobody knows anything really. EVERYONE gets it so completely wrong so often, when predicting what will happen in a boxing match that I just want to see a bunch of the best fights get made. I don’t know what would happen in Floyd-Pac but I’d like to see it. I doubt it would end early because Floyd is too slick but he won’t finish unless it falls into his lap.
At least in the last half-decade. I could be totally wrong though. That’s why they need to fight. If Floyd and Manny don’t fight I think Floyd should move to 154 and fight Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams. I would like to see both those fights. I would like to see Martinez and Williams fight again too. Williams is tall probably like 6’2" but he has long legs and a short torso so he still has pretty compact upper body muscularity.
That’s why he can hit hard and fight close and weigh 160-147 and not look like he has aids like Pavlik. If Floyd moved up to 154, maybe Pacquiao could fight Berto for all the belts(If Shane gets stripped, and The Ring has Berto #2). Not the best fight ever, but I would like to see Pacquiao try to unify the belts. I would also like to see him defend his junior welter belts against all those top 140 guys.
That’s what I think we have to push for as fans. Many good fights being made, and not simply wait for a megafight that will probably never happen.
At the Post fight press conference Floyd mentions being interested in fighting Martinez, if Pac doesnt want to fight. Its on fighthype.com at the very end of the video. Like I said before I think Paul Williams should move up in weight, he does look like an aids patient… to me anyway. Its either Martinez, Berto, Pacman, or nothing
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
Yeah that whole crew fuckin kills me…emmanuel stuart stares into the camera like he’s retarded, Merchant just Rambles about nothing, Lampley cuts them off all the time and seems to zone out whenever Merchant speaks. Its comedy listening to them. I do like Max Kellerman when he’s on, he has pretty good commentary.
Did you guys catch Merchant in the 2nd round, say he thought Mayweather was faking it when Mosley hurt him? That was way out there, shit my heart almost fell out my ass when it happened, he was obviously hurt. [/quote]
I was surprised by that, usually he’s trying to discredit Mayweather. It kind of reminded me of when Lampley had a crush on De La Hoya, De La Hoya could be getting pummeled and Lampley would probably say “He’s really doing a good job of blocking those shots with his head!”. What really had me laughing was Steward trying to hype up Foreman.
Is anyone else more interested in Floyd fighting Martinez than Pacman, their contrast of styles is really interesting. Both slick but Sergio probably has more power and is a little more unorthodox less defensive, Floyd just as slick probably the better boxer and way more defensive.
Martinez isn’t refined enough to compete with mayweather. He’s quick but I don’t think would be quick enough either. He leaves himself open far too much which Floyd would capitalize on and totally dominate the fight in my opinion. Martinez just isn’t quick enough, leaves himself open far too much, and doesn’t have the movement or timing needed to contend with mayweather.
[quote]drewh wrote:
Is anyone else more interested in Floyd fighting Martinez than Pacman, their contrast of styles is really interesting. Both slick but Sergio probably has more power and is a little more unorthodox less defensive, Floyd just as slick probably the better boxer and way more defensive.[/quote]
Mayweather/Pacquiao is the bigger PPV, Mayweather/Martinez is the bigger test. I’d like to see both fights happen and it’s possible it to see both in the future. Mayweather isn’t just being arrogant when he says all roads lead to him anymore and Pacquiao’s only viable options are high risk/low reward fights; Devon Alexander, Timothy Bradley, Andre Berto, and Shane Mosley. Pacquiao has already stated that he’s no interest in a rubber match with Marquez, a rematch with Cotto wont be appealing, and I don’t think anyone will support a fight with Margarito so those that I’ve listed are really his only fights other than Floyd Mayweather and they wont generate the revenue or prove as much as a Floyd Mayweather fight.
Freddie Roach has been on record saying he’s no problem with a cutoff date on testing and Pacquiao says he’ll agree to a 24 day cutoff. Mayweather has been offering a 14 day cutoff but I think they can meet in the middle with a 19 day cutoff, then they’ve a chance to take on the highest ranked opponent possible in the biggest fight possible, and Pacquiao can’t really hold out for the 24 day cutoff since Mayweather seems to be to big name in boxing once again.
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Martinez isn’t refined enough to compete with mayweather. He’s quick but I don’t think would be quick enough either. He leaves himself open far too much which Floyd would capitalize on and totally dominate the fight in my opinion. Martinez just isn’t quick enough, leaves himself open far too much, and doesn’t have the movement or timing needed to contend with mayweather.[/quote]
If Martinez has no chance of competing with Mayweather then Mayweather practically owns junior welterweight-middleweight.
I think you are really underestimating Martinez this is a guy who is really unbeaten in my mind. When has Floyd ever had to counter a guy like Martinez?
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
Freddie Roach has been on record saying he’s no problem with a cutoff date on testing and Pacquiao says he’ll agree to a 24 day cutoff. Mayweather has been offering a 14 day cutoff but I think they can meet in the middle with a 19 day cutoff, then they’ve a chance to take on the highest ranked opponent possible in the biggest fight possible, and Pacquiao can’t really hold out for the 24 day cutoff since Mayweather seems to be to big name in boxing once again.
Just seen on ESPN breaking news that Pacquiao went on record as saying he will now consider 14 day cutoff so we wil see…
^ It’s not about who Floyd had fought in the past that fights like Martinez, it’s about what it takes to beat a guy like Floyd. The reason Floyd makes so much money in his fights is because people always throw new fighters at him and say “this guy can really make him work, or if this guy can’t beat him no one can, or he’s never faced anyone like so and so”. Don’t look at the fighter and say well he’s good so I bet he can beat mayweather, look at exactly what it would take to beat Floyd and judge if that fighter has it. I don’t look at records to determine who I think would be a great matchup, I look at styles. Martinez isn’t anything special, he a bit unorthodox and aggressive and strong but nothing that to me warrants the term “special” and it will take a special fighter to beat Floyd. Williams found a way to beat him and Mayweather would easily do the same.
As I said, the skills needed to beat Mayweather are as follows:
Having said that, I think Pacquiao is the better matchup.