[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
Morales fucked PAc up, Marquez fucked Pac up, now Money gonna Fuck Pacquiao up some more! LOL just an early prediction[/quote]
You talk too much! Winning by a close decision and having a draw doesn’t count as f*cking people up. lol
As predicted, May by UD. My boy looked great tonight. But damn, Moseley looked old, tired, slow and overtrained. And that was after the 5th round.
I think I’m the only Pac fan that’s also a Mayweather fan. Go figure.
thx…i know its really becoming a problem.
I have to give Floyd credit for coming forward and fighting and not just dancing around and boxing enough to win. I also have to give him credit for being able to take a shot, and for not reacting badly and getting knocked out. He just doesn’t have a killer instinct though. Something looked wrong with Shane. He looked mentally and physically exhausted and beaten halfway through the fight. All I could think was, “I think Pacquiao would have a good chance against Floyd. Man I wish he was fighting right now instead of Mosley. This side of Floyd vs. Manny would be exciting.” I believe that fight is never going to happen.
[quote]fnf wrote:
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
Morales fucked PAc up, Marquez fucked Pac up, now Money gonna Fuck Pacquiao up some more! LOL just an early prediction[/quote]
As predicted, May by UD. My boy looked great tonight. But damn, Moseley looked old, tired, slow and overtrained. And that was after the 5th round.
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It really is too bad. I would have loved to see both mosley and oscar fight mayweather when they were both younger. Mosley had lost after the 5-6 round. It almost looked like he exhausted himself by twitching and looking to counter with a big shot even though he was throwing almost no punches.
Yeah, he looked really jittery throughout the whole fight. You could tell by the way Mosley overreacted to Mayweather’s feints. Not to mention, he looked wore out by the fifth round.
Damn, the way it looks Pacquiao is going to get his shit pushed in unless he takes care of it early. For some reason, fighters just can’t keep up with May’s conditioning. It’s unreal to see him going into the 12th round not breathing hard…
Mosley looked awful. He looked tight and wound up in the early rounds and utterly exhausted by the late rounds.
Mayweather completely outclassed him in every regard. I think he really got inside Shane’s head, and when he wanted to stand and fight, I think he surprised Shane.
Mayweather really is that good though. Sugar Shane looked old and slow, but Mayweather still beat his ass. A younger Shane may have had a better chance, especially at lightweight, but I don’t think anyone can beat Mayweather right now.
And Pacquiao? He will get slaughtered. Shut out, beat down, annihilated, no contest. Floyd is too fast, too accurate, too big, and never tires. He will get Pac so wound up before the fight that Pac won’t know what to do.
It honestly would be a brutal fight ending early for Pacquiao.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Yeah, he looked really jittery throughout the whole fight. You could tell by the way Mosley overreacted to Mayweather’s feints. Not to mention, he looked wore out by the fifth round.
Damn, the way it looks Pacquiao is going to get his shit pushed in unless he takes care of it early. For some reason, fighters just can’t keep up with May’s conditioning. It’s unreal to see him going into the 12th round not breathing hard…[/quote]
This fight reminded me of Pacquiao vs DLH. Just too one-sided. Also, Pac’s conditioning is just as good as Mayweather, Pac can take it to the 12th round just like it was the 1st round. He’s known for that.
The one thing I’ve always loved about Mayweather, his f*cking right hand is like a sniper. Too fast and precise. And that punch is often referred to by Teddy Atlas as “The Southpaw Killer” when a righty fights a lefty.
Now Pac can match Mays speed and conditioning, but…since they’re NEVER going to fight, May by decision. hahahaha
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Mosley looked awful. He looked tight and wound up in the early rounds and utterly exhausted by the late rounds.
Mayweather completely outclassed him in every regard. I think he really got inside Shane’s head, and when he wanted to stand and fight, I think he surprised Shane.
Mayweather really is that good though. Sugar Shane looked old and slow, but Mayweather still beat his ass. A younger Shane may have had a better chance, especially at lightweight, but I don’t think anyone can beat Mayweather right now.
And Pacquiao? He will get slaughtered. Shut out, beat down, annihilated, no contest. Floyd is too fast, too accurate, too big, and never tires. He will get Pac so wound up before the fight that Pac won’t know what to do.
It honestly would be a brutal fight ending early for Pacquiao.[/quote]
Pac ain’t gettin slaughtered. Don’t hang from Mays NUTS too long. Pac can match his speed and condtioning. Don’t get it twisted. Pac ain’t going to be that slow and Pac can hit hard, just ask Cotto. But that’s the biggest I’ve seen May fight. May is the best fighter P4P, and I’m a Pac fan 1st.
[quote]fnf wrote:
Pac ain’t gettin slaughtered. Don’t hang from Mays NUTS too long. Pac can match his speed and condtioning. Don’t get it twisted. Pac ain’t going to be that slow and Pac can hit hard, just ask Cotto. But that’s the biggest I’ve seen May fight. May is the best fighter P4P, and I’m a Pac fan 1st.[/quote]
I’m not hanging from his nuts. I have always been amazed at Floyd’s skill but I didn’t like that he wouldn’t mix it up. He did against Shane, and beat him EASILY.
Pac does best against fighters that come right at you- Morales, Hatton, DLH, etc. He has lots of trouble with counterpunchers like Marquez- and Floyd is the best counterpuncher out there.
Again- Floyd is bigger, longer reach, and has the style that’s too much for Manny. And he doesn’t appear to be slowing down, or losing power… if anything, he’s hitting harder as he gets older.
Pac would not win. Not even close.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
Pac ain’t gettin slaughtered. Don’t hang from Mays NUTS too long. Pac can match his speed and condtioning. Don’t get it twisted. Pac ain’t going to be that slow and Pac can hit hard, just ask Cotto. But that’s the biggest I’ve seen May fight. May is the best fighter P4P, and I’m a Pac fan 1st.[/quote]
I’m not hanging from his nuts. I have always been amazed at Floyd’s skill but I didn’t like that he wouldn’t mix it up. He did against Shane, and beat him EASILY.
Pac does best against fighters that come right at you- Morales, Hatton, DLH, etc. He has lots of trouble with counterpunchers like Marquez- and Floyd is the best counterpuncher out there.
Again- Floyd is bigger, longer reach, and has the style that’s too much for Manny. And he doesn’t appear to be slowing down, or losing power… if anything, he’s hitting harder as he gets older.
Pac would not win. Not even close.[/quote]
He beat Shane easily cuz Shane looked like shit after the 5th round. And it wasn’t all because of Mayweather. He looked overtrained and didn’t throw any jabs. Heck, he grabbed May more than May grabbed him.
I agree that Pac has trouble against counterpunchers. But May doesn’t like to throw 3 or 4 punch combinations as much anymore. Steward eluded to this during the fight. So the fight would be May by decision, cuz May ain’t putting himself into position to get KO’d.
I agree with everything you’ve said so far Irish, but I don’t know if I want you picking Floyd in that fight. Every Pick you make loses! LOL. Your the Mush of T-Nation haha.
As for Shane being too tight, and out of gas by RD5, I attest that to him being nervous. When they showed him in the dressing room about to come out, he didnt look good to me. His eyes werent focused, and didnt look confident. Anyone here who has even sparred knows that nerves alone can suck energy from you in 2 rounds easy, nomatter how conditioned you are. Confidence works the same way. If your not confident you tighten up, hesitate, dont take shots that are open, any speed you have slows down, and mentally you get worn down.
Theres even more I can throw in there but thats what I feel happened to Shane. Yeah he’s a world class fighter, but this was it for him. This fight was either going to extend his career or pretty much end it. I still think Shane can be legitimate, just not in the P4P discusion with Mayweather and Pacquiao
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
I agree with everything you’ve said so far Irish, but I don’t know if I want you picking Floyd in that fight. Every Pick you make loses! LOL. Your the Mush of T-Nation haha.
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hahaha c’mon now, I get some of them right. I had called Cotto over Pac, but I also called Pac over Clottey and Mayweather over Marquez. I’ve also had better luck with calling middleweight fights like with BHop and Pavlik.
Calling welterweights is hard business… power is so much harder to judge at that weight, and hand speed and movement is way more important than anything else at those weights. Makes for interesting fights but also difficult to figure out who’s gonna win.
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As for Shane being too tight, and out of gas by RD5, I attest that to him being nervous. When they showed him in the dressing room about to come out, he didnt look good to me. His eyes werent focused, and didnt look confident. Anyone here who has even sparred knows that nerves alone can suck energy from you in 2 rounds easy, nomatter how conditioned you are. Confidence works the same way. If your not confident you tighten up, hesitate, dont take shots that are open, any speed you have slows down, and mentally you get worn down.
Theres even more I can throw in there but thats what I feel happened to Shane. Yeah he’s a world class fighter, but this was it for him. This fight was either going to extend his career or pretty much end it. I still think Shane can be legitimate, just not in the P4P discusion with Mayweather and Pacquiao[/quote]
Absolutely agree. He was wasting soo much energy because he was so jittery, and you could see he wasn’t comfortable in the ring, whereas Mayweather was supremely confident and laid back even after being hurt badly in the second round.
This fight ended just as I expected, with Mosley showing his age… Mosley in his prime would’ve had serious trouble with Mayweather, now there’s just no way he had what it takes to deal with Floyd. Everyone talks about his speed and his defense, but beyond that he is a master at getting in his opponents heads, he’s strong, and he’s got great foot work. Defeating a one trick pony like Margarito in no way makes you a contender to deal with Mayweather’s athletic abilities.
I think pacquiao is the ONLY fighter withing Mayweathers weight class that can give Floyd a run for his money and possibly beat him. In the end I head (don’t remember who)someone say that nobody can really beat mayweather right now, because most people want to pressure him by throwing a lot of punches and thats how they lose cuz they leave themselves open. But I think you need to throw and keep throwing and crush Mayweathers shoulder to beat him. Too many guys fight him and they just stop throwing, and try to fight his fight. Even Nazim was trying to convince Mosley to let his hands go. You can’t pot shot with mayweather, his movement is too good to try to time him and land those big shots. You need someone like Pacman, who throws a tremendous amount of punches from different angles, and isn’t afraid to get hit and keep throwing.
I say Pacman is exactly the kind of fighter that can beat Mayweather.
If Mayweather doesn’t fight pacman he should just retire. Who’s left, Berto?? Paul Williams?? Nobody wants to see those fights.
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
This fight ended just as I expected, with Mosley showing his age… Mosley in his prime would’ve had serious trouble with Mayweather, now there’s just no way he had what it takes to deal with Floyd. Everyone talks about his speed and his defense, but beyond that he is a master at getting in his opponents heads, he’s strong, and he’s got great foot work. Defeating a one trick pony like Margarito in no way makes you a contender to deal with Mayweather’s athletic abilities.
I think pacquiao is the ONLY fighter withing Mayweathers weight class that can give Floyd a run for his money and possibly beat him. In the end I head (don’t remember who)someone say that nobody can really beat mayweather right now, because most people want to pressure him by throwing a lot of punches and thats how they lose cuz they leave themselves open. But I think you need to throw and keep throwing and crush Mayweathers shoulder to beat him. Too many guys fight him and they just stop throwing, and try to fight his fight. Even Nazim was trying to convince Mosley to let his hands go. You can’t pot shot with mayweather, his movement is too good to try to time him and land those big shots. You need someone like Pacman, who throws a tremendous amount of punches from different angles, and isn’t afraid to get hit and keep throwing.
I say Pacman is exactly the kind of fighter that can beat Mayweather.
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Maybe.
I’ve always said that pressure fighters have the best chance. Castillo walked him down in their first match and banged out on him, and Hatton had the right swarming style but not enough skill to beat him.
I do think that if Pac was bigger, he’d have a shot, but Floyd has a much longer reach, and everytime Pac comes in Floyd is going to peg him- and that will keep Pac from coming in, or it will get him knocked out. Floyd is too accurate, too big, and too fast for Pacquiao.
I mean really- we just saw Mayweather dominate Pacqiao’s biggest rival, and then annihilate that guy that Freddy Roach said was too good a fighter for Pac. There’s nothin in my mind that makes me think he’ll win.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
but Floyd has a much longer reach, and everytime Pac comes in Floyd is going to peg him- and that will keep Pac from coming in, or it will get him knocked out. Floyd is too accurate, too big, and too fast for Pacquiao.[/quote]
Irish makes a great point here. people underestimate the smallest things in boxing when the small things are what wins fights. That reach and jab are very hard get around. Doesnt seem like much, but how you like to get smacked in the face every time you even think about throwing? Accuracy, I dont see Pacquaio being as accurate with his “flurrys” against Floyd and Floyd will be accurate against who ever he fights he only throws 1 or 2 calculated punches at a time. I believe Pacquaio is just as conditioned as Money but this type of fight, a “thinking mans fight”, will take PacMan where he has never been before.
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
but Floyd has a much longer reach, and everytime Pac comes in Floyd is going to peg him- and that will keep Pac from coming in, or it will get him knocked out. Floyd is too accurate, too big, and too fast for Pacquiao.[/quote]
Irish makes a great point here. people underestimate the smallest things in boxing when the small things are what wins fights. That reach and jab are very hard get around. Doesnt seem like much, but how you like to get smacked in the face every time you even think about throwing? Accuracy, I dont see Pacquaio being as accurate with his “flurrys” against Floyd and Floyd will be accurate against who ever he fights he only throws 1 or 2 calculated punches at a time. I believe Pacquaio is just as conditioned as Money but this type of fight, a “thinking mans fight”, will take PacMan where he has never been before. [/quote]
I tell you though- I don’t want anyone to think I’m taking anything away from Pacquaio. That cat can rumble, and he’s fast and uses good angles.
And remember- if he throws ALOT of punches, that wins rounds sometimes.
I think Mayweather would win, but I think that it has the potential to be one of the greatest fights of all time- especially if Floyd does what he did with Mosley, and decides to stand and bang… it’s definitely the only interesting bout out there.
I also see Mayweather utilizing that “sniper-like” lead right hand on the south paw Pacquiao and immediately tie-up or duck under the arm pit like he did Shane…and in no way am i comparing Shane to Pac I just know that move works really well
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
I also see Mayweather utilizing that “sniper-like” lead right hand on the south paw Pacquiao and immediately tie-up or duck under the arm pit like he did Shane…and in no way am i comparing Shane to Pac I just know that move works really well[/quote]
That’s the other thing. Floyd’s best punch is his lead right, and Manny will get hit with that all night unless Freddie Roach came up with a way around it… and even then, there’s no saying that Floyd wouldn’t adjust.
The more I think on it, the more intriguing the matchup gets. My prediction would still be a Floyd win, but maybe not by KO as I said earlier because I don’t think he’ll sit in with Pac… I think he’ll try to move more than he did with Mosley.
I agree, I would hope he respects Pacs power more than shanes. This fight can be spectacular, Pac is a special athlete andguys like that find ways to win so May better bring what he brought last night and a lil something extra…then retire. It would be Kobe v. Lebron, Brady v. Manning, and in these kinda match ups anything can happen.
one quick note: It was truly amazing to actually watch Floyd work as the fight went on. You can see the wheels turning in Mayweathers head as he was working Mosley. After watching that fight everything my coach has been teaching me clicked in my head, timing, patience, foot work, angles, DEFENSE, dont waste energy, dont stop thinking.