[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
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there are more important thing to worry about it.
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like unemployment and muslims.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
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there are more important thing to worry about it.
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"… and muslims.[/quote]
EXACTLY. Wow.
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
The high income or educational credentials I have a problem with. I know a lot of men that don’t have a fancy education to show off but with regards to their field you would be hard pressed to find someone that knows more, men like farmers, mechanics, carpenters. All extremely Alpha but wouldn’t be by your definition.[/quote]
The traditional definition of an alpha always includes assertiveness, great mental strength/fortitude, powerful drive and strength of will, and incredible confidence. Note that I did not say arrogance. Arrogance can seem similar to confidence, but they’re quite different.
If you have all of the above, then there’s really no reason why you cannot succeed in anything you do. This includes farmers, mechanics, and carpenters. Farmers may be harder to succeed at nowadays because you need a fuck-ton of money, but I know a good number of mechanics and carpenters who built their own little empires out of scratch.
It’s possible to make a comfortable living and achieve “success”(however you want to define it) in any field you choose, provided that you’re a genuine bona fide alpha instead of one disguised as an alpha like so many people in society.[/quote]
Yeah, I am not necessarily referring this faked bravado you see from a lot of guys. I am mainly talking about men that spend their whole lives working and supporting their families, while maintaining a reputation as someone that everyone respects because they maintain a high standard for themselves and hold to it. These men may never hit it big and they may not try, but they take what they have and make a living with it. If its broke they fix it and if someone needs a hand they lend it.
Carpenters and Mechanics were actually not the best example but I have known several mechanics that were good at what they did, but also would just kinda let people pay as could and never charge as much as they should. They did that just to try to help out and as long as they were making it and felt like they didn’t have anything to regret then they were happy.
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
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there are more important thing to worry about it.
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"… and muslims.[/quote]
EXACTLY. Wow. [/quote]
If it’s an opinion based matter, it doesn’t really matter.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
[/quote]
How so? Last time I checked, he’s an accomplished entrepreneur with celebrity status.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
[/quote]
there are more important thing to worry about it.
[/quote]
"… and muslims.[/quote]
EXACTLY. Wow. [/quote]
http://muslimvillage.com/2013/07/28/42107/france-stands-by-veil-ban-after-riots/[/quote]
lmao, they are a bit behind, as we have already dealt with that issue in sweden. Here is how some of these disputes get handled in Sweden:
[quote]theBird wrote:
flyboy = beta
alphaBird.
tweet[/quote]
actually … flyboy=pilot
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]flyboy51v wrote:
I didn’t say i was an alpha. I didn’t say i was impressive in the gym. And how did this turn into an indictment of America.
Point is … our culture (much more so in Europe for that matter) is churning out a generation of some very weak dudes … and I’m seeing more and more of them at the gym …
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How many times have you been in Europe?[/quote]
Let’s see France, Germany, Austria, Italy (twice), Greece, Denmark, Sweden, Hungary, Czech Republic … UK numerous times.
Next …
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
[/quote]
Again, how much time have you spent in Europe or with Europeans? I only lived there for 20 years, and trust me, no one gives a fuck if you’re jacked or not, there are more important thing to worry about it.
Only in america do people give a fuck this much about the sizes, because in America it’s a problem.
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Oh God … are you from Portland?
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
[/quote]
How so? Last time I checked, he’s an accomplished entrepreneur with celebrity status. [/quote]
entreprenuer point is moot
celebrity status huh? I thought europeans just don’t care about this stuff?
ohhh, worldwide cedlebrity status by a small percentage of the globe, oh yes I see now…
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
[/quote]
How so? Last time I checked, he’s an accomplished entrepreneur with celebrity status. [/quote]
entreprenuer point is moot
celebrity status huh? I thought europeans just don’t care about this stuff?
ohhh, worldwide cedlebrity status by a small percentage of the globe, oh yes I see now…
[/quote]
Hm?
[quote]flyboy51v wrote:
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]flyboy51v wrote:
Point is … our culture (much more so in Europe for that matter) is churning out a generation of some very weak dudes … and I’m seeing more and more of them at the gym …
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Point is, you’re weak. You just don’t see it.
You’re weak because you act like you want to change a situation (that there’s a massive increase in ‘beta males’ being produced opposed to in the past), but instead of taking the initiative to take the more difficult, more productive, more proactive, route of taking one of these newbs you see at the gym and showing them the ropes. (Kinda like how the other people in the gym were doing.) Instead, you took the easy, passive aggressive route of going home to anonymously sit behind your computer screen and talk shit about people who you perceive as lesser than you.
A while back, (perhaps a LONG while back), there was a thread about a poster who used to be a regular here, 4est. Somehow he came in contact with a kid who was depressed, had low T, was WEAK, and had no self esteem - instead of coming on here and ragging on how pathetic this kid was, he took the time to mentor him, build him up, and completely turn the kids life around. You know what kind of response that sort of shit gets? Standing ovations. You just sound like a cunt.
I get that you’re pissed about the cultural change about the pussification of men in America, but weakness shows in more ways than just physical. The level of arrogance, passivity, and self-importance you show in your original post is something our culture teaches us younger generations, as well. Just because you can deadlift X amount of pounds doesn’t mean that they’re not stronger than you in other ways. I’d much rather be around someone who can deadlift 135 for a 1RM than someone who’s an arrogant, obnoxious, self-absorbed fuck.
Increase your strength in other areas of your life (like compassion for others less fortunate than you - such as the lost kid who’s trying to improve his physical abilities by hitting the gym who hasn’t come across a resource like T-Nation yet), being assertive in SOLVING problems, and thinking about the negative (“These kids are our future? :/” and “here’s an opportunity to help our future”) are two VERY different mindsets.
If you’re going to bitch about something, at least be part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.[/quote]
Yea that’s it. I should try and influence these 30 year old boys. Their parents and teachers and friends and co-workers have failed in the first threed decades but I will persevere. Ill be the father they never had. Ill be like the guy with his finger in the dam. So instead of pointing at the dam and saying “hey guys… the f’ing dam is crumbling” I should shut up unless I can patch it myself. Stop your bitching.
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Stop MY bitching? Was I the one who made the whiny OP?
And yes, you should make the effort to improve your situation (which includes the environment around you, including the people), otherwise, you’re not helping at all.
First of all, maybe the guys you were mocking barely have the time to get to the gym themselves. If you’re going to make excuses about why you’re not where you want to be, at the very least, give others the benefit of making excuses about why THEY’re not where YOU want THEM to be.
Secondly, YOU don’t have to teach them anything. But showing them a few resources (such as T-Nation) would be a step in the right direction as far as making an effort to become ‘alpha.’ If they want to ignore you, then so be it, but you at least TRIED.
And you don’t know that “nor is lifting better going to make men out of them.” From your OP, it sounds like you think them lifting better is exactly what would make them men. I’d bet the majority of the posters on here would agree that becoming a better/stronger lifter increased their confidence, self-esteem, etc. in aspects of their lives that extend past the weight room. If someone took the time to show him the ropes and he DID start lifting better/heavier, why wouldn’t he feel the same confidence boost that most others have felt from increasing numbers?
Third, you’re expecting someone who’s “beta” to be proactive in their approach for help in an environment that they’re clearly the odd man out. All you have to do is say is something to the effect of “Hey man, I’ve seen you in here a few times and you seem to have your heart in the right place. If you’re interested, you can check out the articles on T-Nation if you’re looking for some good information on how to achieve your goals. Or, if you happen to see me in here and you have a question or need a spot or anything, my name’s flyboy.”
Now, before you say anything. I get it. Saying that to another male stranger is “weird” and could be taken by him as you hitting on him, being controlling/obnoxious/overstepping boundaries and all that, but on the other hand, he might check out T-Nation and might start making some fucking progress towards the goal that YOU want to see (since you want to see less betas at your gym.) He might never have had a person ever show any interest in them (be it parents, teachers, etc). So fuck him, just let him wallow in his own self pity and depression instead of possibly making a change in someone’s life, right?
I was just making an observation, too. I’m well aware about the emasculanization of men in America, but I know that anonymous complaining on the internet to a bunch of people who are already also aware of said trend won’t do shit. I’m also aware of the laziness and passive aggressive that our culture teaches and accepts (and I’m guilty of this, too, for the record.) The only thing that will do shit in making the change that you want to see is doing your part in turning the betas you see into alphas. And until you help start turning betas into alphas, you’re simply not helping.
While it is your job to be a good father if you do have a child, your responsibilities span farther than you realize if you want to ACTUALLY change a trend in society.
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(If i can just keep him out of the little skinny jeans and those little slippers it will be worth it)
The fact remains that Im seeing a lot more 30 year old man-boys … I just hired one at work … Very difficult to even communicate with the kid …[/quote]
You just hired someone who’s difficult to communicate with?
What the fuck kind of business decision was that?
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
[/quote]
How so? Last time I checked, he’s an accomplished entrepreneur with celebrity status. [/quote]
entreprenuer point is moot
celebrity status huh? I thought europeans just don’t care about this stuff?
ohhh, worldwide cedlebrity status by a small percentage of the globe, oh yes I see now…
[/quote]
Hm?[/quote]
I don’t fully understand either. I think he is making a point against Claudan who said that Europeans don’t care about all that size and strength stuff, and yet many strongmen and olympic athletes achieve celebrity status in their respective countries.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
[/quote]
How so? Last time I checked, he’s an accomplished entrepreneur with celebrity status. [/quote]
entreprenuer point is moot
celebrity status huh? I thought europeans just don’t care about this stuff?
ohhh, worldwide cedlebrity status by a small percentage of the globe, oh yes I see now…
[/quote]
Hm?[/quote]
I don’t fully understand either. I think he is making a point against Claudan who said that Europeans don’t care about all that size and strength stuff, and yet many strongmen and olympic athletes achieve celebrity status in their respective countries.[/quote]
That whole cross ex between them seemed very back door to me.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
[/quote]
How so? Last time I checked, he’s an accomplished entrepreneur with celebrity status. [/quote]
entreprenuer point is moot
celebrity status huh? I thought europeans just don’t care about this stuff?
ohhh, worldwide cedlebrity status by a small percentage of the globe, oh yes I see now…
[/quote]
Hm?[/quote]
I don’t fully understand either. I think he is making a point against Claudan who said that Europeans don’t care about all that size and strength stuff, and yet many strongmen and olympic athletes achieve celebrity status in their respective countries.[/quote]
THANK YOU!!! Glad someone can connect the dots around here!
And define celebrity status. Would the AVERAGE person (not the ones attending the strongman competitions) in their respective country be in AWE of them?
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
[/quote]
How so? Last time I checked, he’s an accomplished entrepreneur with celebrity status. [/quote]
entreprenuer point is moot
celebrity status huh? I thought europeans just don’t care about this stuff?
ohhh, worldwide cedlebrity status by a small percentage of the globe, oh yes I see now…
[/quote]
Hm?[/quote]
I don’t fully understand either. I think he is making a point against Claudan who said that Europeans don’t care about all that size and strength stuff, and yet many strongmen and olympic athletes achieve celebrity status in their respective countries.[/quote]
What I meant was, not that people are ignorant to strongmen etc, I meant that if you see someone jacked in europe you don’t associate it with a low intelligence. Being a ‘meat-head’ doesn’t have the same connotation associated with it as it does here in America.
In Poland, if you are lifting, it’s most likely so you can rip some doors open so stealing the car becomes easier/more efficient.
[quote]flyboy51v wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
[/quote]
Again, how much time have you spent in Europe or with Europeans? I only lived there for 20 years, and trust me, no one gives a fuck if you’re jacked or not, there are more important thing to worry about it.
Only in america do people give a fuck this much about the sizes, because in America it’s a problem.
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Oh God … are you from Portland?[/quote]
I’ve lived in Portland for 5 months, oh god, is that OK by you boss?
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
[/quote]
How so? Last time I checked, he’s an accomplished entrepreneur with celebrity status. [/quote]
entreprenuer point is moot
celebrity status huh? I thought europeans just don’t care about this stuff?
ohhh, worldwide cedlebrity status by a small percentage of the globe, oh yes I see now…
[/quote]
Hm?[/quote]
I don’t fully understand either. I think he is making a point against Claudan who said that Europeans don’t care about all that size and strength stuff, and yet many strongmen and olympic athletes achieve celebrity status in their respective countries.[/quote]
THANK YOU!!! Glad someone can connect the dots around here!
And define celebrity status. Would the AVERAGE person (not the ones attending the strongman competitions) in their respective country be in AWE of them?
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It wasn’t so much your dots as Claudan’s were the root and looked ambiguous to me. It wasn’t clear if a refute was actually taking place or not.
I define celebrity status as being familiar to a considerable population of strangers. I don’t in anyway associate it with awe, so that question’s moot. I do think we would be well recognized by a large number of his countrymen even if they didn’t follow strongman and any associated sport regularly (he’s also competed in MMA).
I’m also confused as to how entrepreneurial achievements are moot.
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Another European Beta[/quote]
FACEPALM but I’ll give it a shot anyway!
Now how does a guy like that fair in average european society? Not too well, Shunned, and looked down upon for being an insensitive gargoyle.
[/quote]
Again, how much time have you spent in Europe or with Europeans? I only lived there for 20 years, and trust me, no one gives a fuck if you’re jacked or not, there are more important thing to worry about it.
Only in america do people give a fuck this much about the sizes, because in America it’s a problem.
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I missed this post. That cleared things up some… some…