So Just in the past couple of weeks Ive seen two incredibly cringe-worthy beta moments …
First - Saw a really skinny dude (like serious chicken legs and noodle arms) apparently attempting to do some cable curls badly enough that this woman went over to show him the right technique. She’s doing these curls in front of him with these really well developed arms giving him running dialogue on what he should do. And this guy just watched and thanked her. The woman looked ED… like disgusted with his wimpiness. He was nodding his head and smiling oblivious to being as pathetically beta as i have ever seen …
Second- saw a female trainer I know (husband in airforce/just won first in amateur figure contest) and shes training this total weakling … like mid thirties … never worked out ever. In this one shes trying to show him how to squat … demoing for him with only 25 a side and has to reduce the weight for him … very sad to watch …
Shape of things to come??? I fear the answer is a big yes …
ya…rag on people who are trying to get into shape. they’re so beta and you’re so alpha!!! It’s sad that you lack so much confidence in yourself that you have to judge others like this.
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
ya…rag on people who are trying to get into shape. they’re so beta and you’re so alpha!!! It’s sad that you lack so much confidence in yourself that you have to judge others like this.[/quote]
You miss my point … It’s not that they’re trying … that’s great … it’s just how can you be an adult male and be not just in bad shape but weaker than half the women at the gym.
It’s just the nature of our culture now … with all these kids playing video games and absolutely no one working.
Kids used to work on farms and play football … now they play video games inside and maybe …MAYBE play soccer … and then someday when they’re 30 they end up at a gym with a woman showing them how to do a bicep curl …
In my experience alphas don’t go out of their way to call out betas. I would say this thread is more of an indictment of your own betaness than either of the males you’ve listed.
Also, I would estimate the majority of alpha males in America are quite unimpressive in the gym.
I didn’t say i was an alpha. I didn’t say i was impressive in the gym. And how did this turn into an indictment of America.
Point is … our culture (much more so in Europe for that matter) is churning out a generation of some very weak dudes … and I’m seeing more and more of them at the gym …
Well this thread certainly didn’t garner the response you’d hoped for, I’ll wager. And yes, I don’t think I’ve ever seen more clear evidence of real beta behavior on display as I do in the OP here.
The guys you are hating on are getting help and trying to improve themselves at the gym. And you are…judging. How about just focusing on your training.
And what’s wrong with getting help from a woman? What are you, afraid of women?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Well this thread certainly didn’t garner the response you’d hoped for, I’ll wager. And yes, I don’t think I’ve ever seen more clear evidence of real beta behavior on display as I do in the OP here.
The guys you are hating on are getting help and trying to improve themselves at the gym. And you are…judging. How about just focusing on your training.
And what’s wrong with getting help from a woman? What are you, afraid of women? [/quote]
[quote]flyboy51v wrote:
I didn’t say i was an alpha. I didn’t say i was impressive in the gym. And how did this turn into an indictment of America.
Point is … our culture (much more so in Europe for that matter) is churning out a generation of some very weak dudes … and I’m seeing more and more of them at the gym …
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…and how do you recommend they become some very strong dudes with flyboys like you talking shit on them? Maybe they’re at home right now talking to their supermodel girlfriends about that weird guy at the gym that kept watching them and snickering under his breath.
Aw this thread was a bit of a letdown. It was some guy ragging on beginners. Potentially salvageable I guess.
I am actually pretty interested in the topic of more and more “beta males” coming into being in today’s society. For the last several years at least, pretty much from birth masculine traits seem to have been increasingly suppressed and viewed as negative. You’ve heard the old trope about “everyone gets a trophy”. Well it’s become a cliche because it’s true! Competition and winning, especially individualistically, has seemingly become a vice.
Little boys are genetically hardwired to be active, energetic, competitive, and aggressive (yes aggression is not necessarily a bad thing if properly applied). What happens nowadays is they go to school exhibiting these healthy traits and their mothers are promptly told that they have ADHD and they’re reduced to drugged up zombies. Zombies who are then taught how bad it is to be manly.
I feel like masculinity is being sort of demonized, and what happens is you’re left with a generation saturated with boys who grow into men who heavily lack assertiveness and confidence and just plain manliness.
And to relate more to the OP, I see it often in the gym. I train in a place with a lot of high school athletes, and so many of them seem to lack that certain spark. They just go through the motions. So many of them don’t have any aggressiveness or competitiveness to speak of. It’s very different even than when I was back in high school (only 7 or 8 years ago).
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Well this thread certainly didn’t garner the response you’d hoped for, I’ll wager. And yes, I don’t think I’ve ever seen more clear evidence of real beta behavior on display as I do in the OP here.
The guys you are hating on are getting help and trying to improve themselves at the gym. And you are…judging. How about just focusing on your training.
And what’s wrong with getting help from a woman? What are you, afraid of women? [/quote]
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
The fact that you created this thread is more pathetic than either of those situations you witnessed.[/quote]
I’m making a cultural point … and I think you don’t quite get it. You’re thinking I"m making fun of guys starting to work out … not my point
nevermind … [/quote]
You’re right. You are making a cultural point, the point being that there are more and more idiots out there calling out people from the safety and anonymity of the chair in front of their parents’ PC. It’s a huge cultural issue, I agree.
[quote]flyboy51v wrote:
I didn’t say i was an alpha. I didn’t say i was impressive in the gym. And how did this turn into an indictment of America.
Point is … our culture (much more so in Europe for that matter) is churning out a generation of some very weak dudes … and I’m seeing more and more of them at the gym …
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By the bye, do you realize that since the industrial revolution, the idea of an “Alpha Male” and it’s correlation to physical strength has been severed?
How much do you think Eli Whitney could deadlift? Or the Cabot brothers? Or Henry Ford? Or Bill Gates or Warren Buffet?
Rupert Murdoch, with his ugly mug and 82 year old balls that hang to his knees probably couldn’t squat the bar, yet he can get any woman he wants. Which is more than any of us can say.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Aw this thread was a bit of a letdown. It was some guy ragging on beginners. Potentially salvageable I guess.
I am actually pretty interested in the topic of more and more “beta males” coming into being in today’s society. For the last several years at least, pretty much from birth masculine traits seem to have been increasingly suppressed and viewed as negative. You’ve heard the old trope about “everyone gets a trophy”. Well it’s become a cliche because it’s true! Competition and winning, especially individualistically, has seemingly become a vice.
Little boys are genetically hardwired to be active, energetic, competitive, and aggressive (yes aggression is not necessarily a bad thing if properly applied). What happens nowadays is they go to school exhibiting these healthy traits and their mothers are promptly told that they have ADHD and they’re reduced to drugged up zombies. Zombies who are then taught how bad it is to be manly.
I feel like masculinity is being sort of demonized, and what happens is you’re left with a generation saturated with boys who grow into men who heavily lack assertiveness and confidence and just plain manliness.
And to relate more to the OP, I see it often in the gym. I train in a place with a lot of high school athletes, and so many of them seem to lack that certain spark. They just go through the motions. So many of them don’t have any aggressiveness or competitiveness to speak of. It’s very different even than when I was back in high school (only 7 or 8 years ago). [/quote]
I don’t think gyms are a good place to look if you’re looking for confident, assertive, or plain manly people. The average gym goer has to be somewhere in between a novice and intermediate and is usually not very confident or assertive based on inexperience (this could be completely wrong though, just my own experience). I guess I’m trying to say things aren’t nearly as bad as everyone is making them out to be and looking back on the good times will always make them seem better than they really were.
