i want to hear more about you “busting out of your skin.” Why did it take 5 or 6 months to start that process? Hormones just caught up?..
Yeah it can be a mindfuck. Dieting sucks, but you see results FAST! Weight gain is hard because a) everything in our society tells people to be ‘slim’ and ‘lean’, and weight gain / bulking / whatever is SLOW. Plus, when you’re newer to the game, you have to get softer in order to build your base. It’s definitely a mental game, because we all want to be rippd and “beach ready” whenever, but bulking up is part of the game.
I definitely like your scientific approach to things. Like ive been bragging about all over t natino (lol), i got the opportunity to see Dr. Clay and Shelby this weekend, courtesy of Biotest! Dr. Clay is uber-scientific, but he - like you modok - knows that science can only get you so far in this game. I notice that lots of folks on this site (myself included at times) get so caught up, and ‘major in the minors’ that we end up shooting ourselves in the foot and outthinking progress. Even Shelby, who is even bigger in person than he looks in his photos, said that until a year ago, he didn’t know what peri workout even meant!
He also pointed out that the best physiques were built on chicken and rice, not fancy proteins and designer supps. Not saying that supps aren’t good, but that for 99.999% of people, simply eating and lifting will get you where you need to go. It’s a hurdle, but I’ve come to realize that the only way to get bigger is to accept fat gain, sacrifice my ‘abs’ (which aren’t even that impressive without mass) and get my fucking weight up!
Thanks Modok, you’re an iron GOD
Oh and Modok, do you have any pics of a before and after type thing. Before bulking and after bulking. Or just pics along the way. I always thought that guys go from skinny or whatever to what you look like in your avatar, not realizing that they almost all got “fat” or soft, then cut, then bulked, then cut, then bulked back up, each time staying more “solid” until they got to the point where they could maintain leanness even during a bulk. MORE PIKZ MODOKKKK
[quote]MODOK wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
so what does a typical day of eating look like you for you MODOK? I’ve been through all of your threads and I don’t think it’s been posted… stuff like how many meals, any protein shakes, types of veggies/meat, fruit, etc. thanks.[/quote]
I posted a screen cap from my fitday a few pages back, I think. If it wasn’t this thread, it was the sugar thread in the nutrition forum.[/quote]
gotcha!
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[quote]hlss09 wrote:
i want to hear more about you “busting out of your skin.” Why did it take 5 or 6 months to start that process? Hormones just caught up?..[/quote]
I’m not sure. I’ve always wondered about that. All I know is my gaining was not linear. Thats why I caution folks against the slow gaining method. 2+2 does not = 4 in this business, since we are biological organisms and not machines. You may not gain any weight for a month and then at the end of week 5 gain 8 lbs. I can’t explain it, but that how it happens sometimes. You just have to be diligent, stick with the plan, and know that what you are doing will give you the results you are after.
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correct me if im wrong but it seems to me like fat loss and muscle gain occur in spurts but IME fat gain is pretty steady
EDIT: not disagreeing with you or anything just seeing if you thought differently
MODOK,
Did u ever take R-ALA (or some carb ‘partitioning’ supp/antioxidant) with a Pro/Carb meal, and monitor your blood sugar afterwards?
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]MODOK wrote:
[quote]hlss09 wrote:
i want to hear more about you “busting out of your skin.” Why did it take 5 or 6 months to start that process? Hormones just caught up?..[/quote]
I’m not sure. I’ve always wondered about that. All I know is my gaining was not linear. Thats why I caution folks against the slow gaining method. 2+2 does not = 4 in this business, since we are biological organisms and not machines. You may not gain any weight for a month and then at the end of week 5 gain 8 lbs. I can’t explain it, but that how it happens sometimes. You just have to be diligent, stick with the plan, and know that what you are doing will give you the results you are after.
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correct me if im wrong but it seems to me like fat loss and muscle gain occur in spurts but IME fat gain is pretty steady
EDIT: not disagreeing with you or anything just seeing if you thought differently[/quote]
Exactly, which is why for gaining it’s better to monitor progress via the gym (strength), and infrequent bodyweight measurements (longer term) rather than every single week on the scales.
Fat loss is different/more predictable and can be measured weekly (quicker and easier to lose fat than gain muscle)
Sorry for jumping in there, it’s just something I wished I’d done at the start of my training (instead of being obsessed with bodyweight) 
So are we moving this thread to the steroid forum now?
modok how could you! leading us on like that. touting the anabolic diet and big beyond belief as being responsible for all your gains. when in reality, it was all due to a 1 month cycle of pro hormones. i feel violated!!
…totally joking lol
[quote]MODOK wrote:
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
So are we moving this thread to the steroid forum now?
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I guess so. I’ve got a lot to contribute over there, experience-wise. I learned a lot about myself today… I now know that I am now in the “assisted” lifter category. I honestly had no idea. [/quote]
I’m sensing some repressed roid rage. lol
Seriously though, I have nothing of value to contribute to that debate. But then again it had little value to begin with.
Keep it up with the great contributions, in my book you’re one of the last handful of sane people on the board.
Modok,
I’m about to go from a low carb diet directly into a bulking, high carb diet. Probably somewhere between 300-500g carbs a day. I was considering ALA supplementation. What’s the difference b/w ALA and r-ALA, other than price? And is it worth the extra money? I can’t afford Receptormax, so I was thinking just straight up ALA…What’s the word from the pharmacy lol?
Always loved R-ALA. Stuff works great for me as I’m always on a medium to high carb diet. Using 2x dosages around workouts helped me utilize the pre/during/post carb supplements (Shakes/Surge etc).
[quote]hlss09 wrote:
Modok,
I’m about to go from a low carb diet directly into a bulking, high carb diet. Probably somewhere between 300-500g carbs a day. I was considering ALA supplementation. What’s the difference b/w ALA and r-ALA, other than price? And is it worth the extra money? I can’t afford Receptormax, so I was thinking just straight up ALA…What’s the word from the pharmacy lol?[/quote] Why go directly from a low carb diet onto a high carb diet ?
Can’t u just increase your carbs slowly? (if indeed you need to increase them)
alright, thanks
Oh, and yeah, I agree that jumping right back into high carbs will probably lead to initial discomfort or whatever, but I’m like 6’2 186 right now…I just need size, and a little water retention is par for the course.
I’m sure it’s my reading comprehensinon, but Modok, you’re saying that once I decide - if I decide - to go and get ALA that I should just go for plain ALA? SO MANY LETTERS lol. Or are you advocating r-ALA? I’m confused!
Thanks for you time
EDIT: what’s it mean to feel 'hyper/hypo glycemic?" I know what it means from my intro nutrition class (I’m no expert lol), but what’s it actually feel like? I know that when I’m hungry I feel like shit…I don’t know how to pinpoint this sensation though!
Post some contest pics
Modok----Im having trouble surving Ramp 2 of BBB- just about done of week 1- any advice? did you have trouble with this ramp?
^^^what exactly are you having problems with?
well i started to do some single leg work (which has absolutely destroyed my glutes), my joints are kind of sore (not that bad yet though) and i beleive the way i set it up might not be optimal
i was planning on doing this:
Day 1,3,5
Dumbell rows
Flat BB bench
Squats
Leg Curls
Dumbell Curl
Standing calve raise
Day- 2,4,6
Incline BB bench
Lat Pulldowns
Bulgarian split squat (reason why i added this in is because when i squat i get a lot of drive off of one knee and not soo much from the other–because i have trouble getting that side’s glute to fire)
Hack Squat
Tricep Pushdowns
I find doing squats with my rows and benches too be a lot, then the next day doing the single leg stuff with the hacks is just fucking brutal.
Also with the benching 6x per week (flat one day, incline on the other) to be a lot. Squats doesnt bother me in that sense so much because i feel i recover really well from them. But i find benching that much to be hard, and ive been stalling as far as progression goes lately so it’s kind of dis heartening when im not able to hit some sort of PR.
Ive been thinking of changing things a bit midramp, might change up some lifts on days 3 and 4- that way its still doing ramp two but the frequency of the lifts is more like ramp 1—what do you guys think?
two things that helped me…
do all presses before back work
try using more DBs for presses