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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Oh, and for the record, this is a direct quote FROM Dante referring to the scap pop stretch:

“Ive never seen anything detrimental happen or heard anything happen to anyone but its not like I can look up a pubmed study on what is happening, so i truly dont know.”

Also, when I was a 120 lb teen newb lifter performing my own version of the scap pop stretch, it wasn’t painful. Just a bit uncomfortable at first - like with ANY muscle stretch for the first time.

I would imagine that someone with quite a bit of muscle mass (strong, thick connective tissue as well) would suffer some pain.[/quote]

I wasnt really addressing what i was saying to you for the record.

Although i disaggree to an extent on this issue, I usually like your posts and i would never call you an idiot

some other people on this thread though… lol

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[quote]Kanada wrote:
But what kind of risks are associated, that’s what I want to know. Are there cases of people hurting themselves that you know of? How long till your strength returns? It isn’t like I didn’t know of this before and I do plenty of things I would never recommend to someone else but they work. Swear to god, just cause a guy is 150 doesn’t mean he hasn’t worked out. Floyd Mayweather is “near” my weight but he is a hell of a lot more “developed” than me.

Comparing this to the anarchists cookbook, whatever the hell that is (I’ll find out later fuckhead) is not analogous. Everything we do in the gym is dangerous, but whatever play God. But now, when someone hurts themselves because you guys were blabbing away and then tried to pretend it never happened by shaming anyone who asks a question with insults, there will be a portion of blame that you will have rightfully earned.

If you are truly honest, a person can make a decision without finding out that doing this stretch leaves your wrists permanently pronated. So man the fuck up or get off this board[/quote]

your post just reaks of immaturity, was this post serious or are you actually this irnorant?

you honestly think what i said was that bad then you call me a f***head?

Your first paragraph admits that you know nothing about this then you go on and on about more that you dont know, do you see a trend here? Do you see why you sound so stupid right now?

The part about the blame? How is that even logical

oh and you spelled Canada wrong

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[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Oh, and for the record, this is a direct quote FROM Dante referring to the scap pop stretch:

“Ive never seen anything detrimental happen or heard anything happen to anyone but its not like I can look up a pubmed study on what is happening, so i truly dont know.”

Also, when I was a 120 lb teen newb lifter performing my own version of the scap pop stretch, it wasn’t painful. Just a bit uncomfortable at first - like with ANY muscle stretch for the first time.

I would imagine that someone with quite a bit of muscle mass (strong, thick connective tissue as well) would suffer some pain.[/quote]

I wasnt really addressing what i was saying to you for the record.

Although i disaggree to an extent on this issue, I usually like your posts and i would never call you an idiot

some other people on this thread though… lol[/quote]

Oh, I know you weren’t addressing me directly, Blackie. I wasn’t attacking you either.

Thanks man!

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Oh, and for the record, this is a direct quote FROM Dante referring to the scap pop stretch:

“Ive never seen anything detrimental happen or heard anything happen to anyone but its not like I can look up a pubmed study on what is happening, so i truly dont know.”

Also, when I was a 120 lb teen newb lifter performing my own version of the scap pop stretch, it wasn’t painful. Just a bit uncomfortable at first - like with ANY muscle stretch for the first time.

I would imagine that someone with quite a bit of muscle mass (strong, thick connective tissue as well) would suffer some pain.[/quote]

I wasnt really addressing what i was saying to you for the record.

Although i disaggree to an extent on this issue, I usually like your posts and i would never call you an idiot

some other people on this thread though… lol[/quote]

Oh, I know you weren’t addressing me directly, Blackie. I wasn’t attacking you either.

Thanks man!

[/quote]

Cool man, yeah your a good guy

for everyone else though Im done with this thread

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Oh, and for the record, this is a direct quote FROM Dante referring to the scap pop stretch:

“Ive never seen anything detrimental happen or heard anything happen to anyone but its not like I can look up a pubmed study on what is happening, so i truly dont know.”

Also, when I was a 120 lb teen newb lifter performing my own version of the scap pop stretch, it wasn’t painful. Just a bit uncomfortable at first - like with ANY muscle stretch for the first time.

I would imagine that someone with quite a bit of muscle mass (strong, thick connective tissue as well) would suffer some pain.[/quote]

I wasnt really addressing what i was saying to you for the record.

Although i disaggree to an extent on this issue, I usually like your posts and i would never call you an idiot

some other people on this thread though… lol[/quote]

Oh, I know you weren’t addressing me directly, Blackie. I wasn’t attacking you either.

Thanks man!

[/quote]

Blackie?

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[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Oh, and for the record, this is a direct quote FROM Dante referring to the scap pop stretch:

“Ive never seen anything detrimental happen or heard anything happen to anyone but its not like I can look up a pubmed study on what is happening, so i truly dont know.”

Also, when I was a 120 lb teen newb lifter performing my own version of the scap pop stretch, it wasn’t painful. Just a bit uncomfortable at first - like with ANY muscle stretch for the first time.

I would imagine that someone with quite a bit of muscle mass (strong, thick connective tissue as well) would suffer some pain.[/quote]

I wasnt really addressing what i was saying to you for the record.

Although i disaggree to an extent on this issue, I usually like your posts and i would never call you an idiot

some other people on this thread though… lol[/quote]

Oh, I know you weren’t addressing me directly, Blackie. I wasn’t attacking you either.

Thanks man!

[/quote]

Cool man, yeah your a good guy

for everyone else though Im done with this thread[/quote]

Cool. I’m out too.

(ID and Blackie walk off into the sunset).

lol

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I agree with ID and don’t really see what the big deal is.

Actively stretching your scapular musculature is incredibly stupid and would give you a wider lat spread, the same way hyperextending your thumb would give you better thumb flexibility. With that said, your gonna have a hard fucking time growing your delts and pecs from the front delt/bicep inflammation that will in sue indefinitely till you barbell overhead press with full rom to rehab it for quite sometime.

This is a waste of time as are most stretching protocols. The best way to enhance your physique besides traditional training, diet, and supplementation techniques is site injections, deep tissue massages and hours upon hours of posing practice with someone who knows what they’re doing…you know like a pro bodybuilder. Secret threads/techniques/training is not required.

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[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]FattyFat wrote:
snip
[/quote]

I said after the fact in another post to delta that I shouldnt of said anything and he aggreed, did you miss that?
[/quote]
Relax. I’m sorry I hurt your feelings.

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
And ofcourse im going to be condescending in case you havent noticed im not the nicest guy especially if your an idiot
[/quote]
This is the first time you caught my eye, kiddo - lol.

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
entitled veterans? how about respectful persons who know a thing or two about liability clauses?
[/quote]
You’re not the only one.
Still: read the third sentence of my last post in this thread.

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
Its not a surprise though, this is one of the most sensitive boards on the net after all.[/quote]
I’ve seen worse - but you’re right: a lot of sandy vaginas in here.

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[quote]FattyFat wrote:

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]FattyFat wrote:
snip
[/quote]

I said after the fact in another post to delta that I shouldnt of said anything and he aggreed, did you miss that?
[/quote]
Relax. I’m sorry I hurt your feelings.

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
And ofcourse im going to be condescending in case you havent noticed im not the nicest guy especially if your an idiot
[/quote]
This is the first time you caught my eye, kiddo - lol.

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
entitled veterans? how about respectful persons who know a thing or two about liability clauses?
[/quote]
You’re not the only one.
Still: read the third sentence of my last post in this thread.

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
Its not a surprise though, this is one of the most sensitive boards on the net after all.[/quote]
I’ve seen worse - but you’re right: a lot of sandy vaginas in here.

[/quote]

I didnt even realize who i was responding to until now, I read your t-cell thread a few times when i was starting out, your a pretty guy too lol

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[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:
But what kind of risks are associated, that’s what I want to know. Are there cases of people hurting themselves that you know of? How long till your strength returns? It isn’t like I didn’t know of this before and I do plenty of things I would never recommend to someone else but they work. Swear to god, just cause a guy is 150 doesn’t mean he hasn’t worked out. Floyd Mayweather is “near” my weight but he is a hell of a lot more “developed” than me.

Comparing this to the anarchists cookbook, whatever the hell that is (I’ll find out later fuckhead) is not analogous. Everything we do in the gym is dangerous, but whatever play God. But now, when someone hurts themselves because you guys were blabbing away and then tried to pretend it never happened by shaming anyone who asks a question with insults, there will be a portion of blame that you will have rightfully earned.

If you are truly honest, a person can make a decision without finding out that doing this stretch leaves your wrists permanently pronated. So man the fuck up or get off this board[/quote]

your post just reaks of immaturity, was this post serious or are you actually this irnorant?

you honestly think what i said was that bad then you call me a f***head?

Your first paragraph admits that you know nothing about this then you go on and on about more that you dont know, do you see a trend here? Do you see why you sound so stupid right now?

The part about the blame? How is that even logical

oh and you spelled Canada wrong[/quote]

Cause if you withheld info after opening your idiotic mouth, that would be your fault. However, if your muscle armour can’t take a little name calling that’s cool. I know it hurts to be like, alright maybe I shouldn’t be so damn superior, but I seem to have received the info i needed. Thanks, though you coulda saved yourself a public chastising by a little fuckhead had you been honest and not condescending.

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[quote]bigandstrong24 wrote:
I agree with ID and don’t really see what the big deal is.

Actively stretching your scapular musculature is incredibly stupid and would give you a wider lat spread, the same way hyperextending your thumb would give you better thumb flexibility. With that said, your gonna have a hard fucking time growing your delts and pecs from the front delt/bicep inflammation that will in sue indefinitely till you barbell overhead press with full rom to rehab it for quite sometime.

This is a waste of time as are most stretching protocols. The best way to enhance your physique besides traditional training, diet, and supplementation techniques is site injections, deep tissue massages and hours upon hours of posing practice with someone who knows what they’re doing…you know like a pro bodybuilder. Secret threads/techniques/training is not required. [/quote]

our completely off the boat. This is not about dislocating your shoulders, thats just imagery people are using. Dislocating your thumb sounds stupid and contributes no additional strength gains to to an increase in any sort of muscle, since your thumb is a fairly small and important part of your body which is dedicated to “fine motor skills” Do not dislocate your thumb. However, watch jim carrey on SNL do his workout routine, I suspect he has achieved a similar sort of skill to that of DC. Further, squats wthout stretching is like a head on car crash without a seatbelt.

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[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:
But what kind of risks are associated, that’s what I want to know. Are there cases of people hurting themselves that you know of? How long till your strength returns? It isn’t like I didn’t know of this before and I do plenty of things I would never recommend to someone else but they work. Swear to god, just cause a guy is 150 doesn’t mean he hasn’t worked out. Floyd Mayweather is “near” my weight but he is a hell of a lot more “developed” than me.

Comparing this to the anarchists cookbook, whatever the hell that is (I’ll find out later fuckhead) is not analogous. Everything we do in the gym is dangerous, but whatever play God. But now, when someone hurts themselves because you guys were blabbing away and then tried to pretend it never happened by shaming anyone who asks a question with insults, there will be a portion of blame that you will have rightfully earned.

If you are truly honest, a person can make a decision without finding out that doing this stretch leaves your wrists permanently pronated. So man the fuck up or get off this board[/quote]

your post just reaks of immaturity, was this post serious or are you actually this irnorant?

you honestly think what i said was that bad then you call me a f***head?

Your first paragraph admits that you know nothing about this then you go on and on about more that you dont know, do you see a trend here? Do you see why you sound so stupid right now?

The part about the blame? How is that even logical

oh and you spelled Canada wrong[/quote]

Cause if you withheld info after opening your idiotic mouth, that would be your fault. However, if your muscle armour can’t take a little name calling that’s cool. I know it hurts to be like, alright maybe I shouldn’t be so damn superior, but I seem to have received the info i needed. Thanks, though you coulda saved yourself a public chastising by a little fuckhead had you been honest and not condescending.
[/quote]

Lol you are so butthurt its retarded, I originally didnt address anything to you personally and you go on a complete tantrum.

btw do you lift weights? i cant tell from your picture

:wink:

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[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:
But what kind of risks are associated, that’s what I want to know. Are there cases of people hurting themselves that you know of? How long till your strength returns? It isn’t like I didn’t know of this before and I do plenty of things I would never recommend to someone else but they work. Swear to god, just cause a guy is 150 doesn’t mean he hasn’t worked out. Floyd Mayweather is “near” my weight but he is a hell of a lot more “developed” than me.

Comparing this to the anarchists cookbook, whatever the hell that is (I’ll find out later fuckhead) is not analogous. Everything we do in the gym is dangerous, but whatever play God. But now, when someone hurts themselves because you guys were blabbing away and then tried to pretend it never happened by shaming anyone who asks a question with insults, there will be a portion of blame that you will have rightfully earned.

If you are truly honest, a person can make a decision without finding out that doing this stretch leaves your wrists permanently pronated. So man the fuck up or get off this board[/quote]

your post just reaks of immaturity, was this post serious or are you actually this irnorant?

you honestly think what i said was that bad then you call me a f***head?

Your first paragraph admits that you know nothing about this then you go on and on about more that you dont know, do you see a trend here? Do you see why you sound so stupid right now?

The part about the blame? How is that even logical

oh and you spelled Canada wrong[/quote]

Cause if you withheld info after opening your idiotic mouth, that would be your fault. However, if your muscle armour can’t take a little name calling that’s cool. I know it hurts to be like, alright maybe I shouldn’t be so damn superior, but I seem to have received the info i needed. Thanks, though you coulda saved yourself a public chastising by a little fuckhead had you been honest and not condescending.
[/quote]

Lol you are so butthurt its retarded, I originally didnt address anything to you personally and you go on a complete tantrum.

btw do you lift weights? i cant tell from your picture

:wink:
[/quote]

Nah I really like going to Goodlife and doing Bodyburn workouts, Really brings out my lines

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No offense to the lifters who know about this but wont talk about it, but pretty lame that you are too scared to share the information

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[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:
But what kind of risks are associated, that’s what I want to know. Are there cases of people hurting themselves that you know of? How long till your strength returns? It isn’t like I didn’t know of this before and I do plenty of things I would never recommend to someone else but they work. Swear to god, just cause a guy is 150 doesn’t mean he hasn’t worked out. Floyd Mayweather is “near” my weight but he is a hell of a lot more “developed” than me.

Comparing this to the anarchists cookbook, whatever the hell that is (I’ll find out later fuckhead) is not analogous. Everything we do in the gym is dangerous, but whatever play God. But now, when someone hurts themselves because you guys were blabbing away and then tried to pretend it never happened by shaming anyone who asks a question with insults, there will be a portion of blame that you will have rightfully earned.

If you are truly honest, a person can make a decision without finding out that doing this stretch leaves your wrists permanently pronated. So man the fuck up or get off this board[/quote]

your post just reaks of immaturity, was this post serious or are you actually this irnorant?

you honestly think what i said was that bad then you call me a f***head?

Your first paragraph admits that you know nothing about this then you go on and on about more that you dont know, do you see a trend here? Do you see why you sound so stupid right now?

The part about the blame? How is that even logical

oh and you spelled Canada wrong[/quote]

Cause if you withheld info after opening your idiotic mouth, that would be your fault. However, if your muscle armour can’t take a little name calling that’s cool. I know it hurts to be like, alright maybe I shouldn’t be so damn superior, but I seem to have received the info i needed. Thanks, though you coulda saved yourself a public chastising by a little fuckhead had you been honest and not condescending.
[/quote]

Lol you are so butthurt its retarded, I originally didnt address anything to you personally and you go on a complete tantrum.

btw do you lift weights? i cant tell from your picture

:wink:
[/quote]

Nah I really like going to Goodlife and doing Bodyburn workouts, Really brings out my lines[/quote]

haha Goodlife is the worst man, i worked there 2 days then quit. bunch of crooks lol. The actual gym equipment is decent just the training is a scam

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[quote]Achilles of war wrote:
No offense to the lifters who know about this but wont talk about it, but pretty lame that you are too scared to share the information [/quote]

yeah well footballs dumb!

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I cant speak for the others but I personally had never seen the actual article.

I had a vague idea of what needed to be done from what was readily available and written on IM by Dante.

I dont think talking about what Dante has openly talked about is a problem, I may be wrong.

What I do think is that when the author of an actual article decides (thats the important part here, the one some of you seem to be missing) to not openly publish the actual way to do it, he should have the authority on this.

Now I know we could say he actual did publish it but come on, I think its clear to anyone who read his posts on the matter that he realized he shouldnt have published the newsletter and was kinda happy that no one seemed to have it put online…

Having seen the article now, I can see why he didnt want it readily available… you can bet at least one person will try and fuck something up in the process… sure that’s not directly Dante’s responsability as he didnt “make” the person do it/or not but still… if the info wasnt there that one person couldnt even have tried the thingy.

Hope that makes more sense now.

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[quote]zraw wrote:
I cant speak for the others but I personally had never seen the actual article.

I had a vague idea of what needed to be done from what was readily available and written on IM by Dante.

I dont think talking about what Dante has openly talked about is a problem, I may be wrong.

What I do think is that when the author of an actual article decides (thats the important part here, the one some of you seem to be missing) to not openly publish the actual way to do it, he should have the authority on this.

Now I know we could say he actual did publish it but come on, I think its clear to anyone who read his posts on the matter that he realized he shouldnt have published the newsletter and was kinda happy that no one seemed to have it put online…

Having seen the article now, I can see why he didnt want it readily available… you can bet at least one person will try and fuck something up in the process… sure that’s not directly Dante’s responsability as he didnt “make” the person do it/or not but still… if the info wasnt there that one person couldnt even have tried the thingy.

Hope that makes more sense now.[/quote]

Yeah I had the same train of thought but id seen the article before