Modifying Lat Width

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
Uh oh… this is bad… hope it gets deleted or edited really soon…[/quote]

SERIOUSLY??

OMG… the sky is falling![/quote]

You are one stupid motherfucker, just as dumb as all the idiots who will try this out and fuck themselves up [/quote]

You seriously believe WITHHOLDING information is best? The fucking world’s libraries, bookstores, and the internet are full of dangerous information YOU would find questionable. Then again since you probably can’t think and make decisions for yourself, you assume we ALL suffer such a fate.

Did you read my above post… the one describing a similar scapular “popping” I did as a teen? Well I’m still alive and still able to move quite well at age 49.

Stop acting like you’re saving the world from injury. You’d be better off campaigning against cigarettes. Nobody is dying of cancer from lat stretches. Sheesh!
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Yes I think sometimes withholding certain informations is best. The internet is global, meaning people who can think this out and say “hmmm, this might not be for me” will read it but people who arent too smart will also read it, probably without fully understanding the risk and what needs to be done and go “hmmm this sounds cool, I might look big at a buck fifty after doing this”.

Your reasonning is quite sad, especially since you mentionned in your very post that you are referring to

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EDIT TO ADD: Upon further thinking, I’m guessing that much of my poor shoulder health to this day has had to do with obsessively practicing this technique during the years of my young body growing"

Congrats on being alive, and having poor shoulder health.

“Then again since you probably can’t think and make decisions for yourself, you assume we ALL suffer such a fate.”

Thats poor logic, especially aknowledging this can be potentially be “harmfull” information shows the exact opposite

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
Uh oh… this is bad… hope it gets deleted or edited really soon…[/quote]

SERIOUSLY??

OMG… the sky is falling![/quote]

You are one stupid motherfucker, just as dumb as all the idiots who will try this out and fuck themselves up [/quote]

Wow, overreaction. Someone asks a question and people give vague answers/drop little hints that it is possible. They mention Dante, Dante wrote about saying it works. What the fuck do you expect. Dante could have kept a secret, you all could have just said it is not possible.[/quote]

Only reason some people actually mentionned it was possible is because some info was available on IM, not the full article. No one said anything more than what was already only and easy to find…

Dante did write about it and couldve kept it secret yes. I guess he didnt think about it that way when he did write it, but changed his position later by not wanting to talk about how its done etc etc, this should tell something

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[quote]DeltaOne wrote:

I’m thinking the same thing… I was gonna write some damage control, but I’m just gonna shut up now.

Some people here are either really, really dumb or like pretending they are. I wasn’t aware there were so many guys here who were about to step on stage and really needed to know this in order to stand out ( and there will be those that won’t understand the sarcasm here ). What blows my mind is that people don’t realize the liability isn’t on the guy who makes the choice to try this stuff, but it’s on the guy who orignally wrote about it. Oh, now I can see why Dante changed his mind on letting people know about this.

The irony is, people would rather try to change their physique using a “magical” extreme method, rather than actually spending some time in a gym building a good lat spread before worrying with this, as if, they had any real need of it.

Oh, but what do I know, I’m just a roided up asshole :slight_smile:

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C’mon man…you come in the thread, demonstrating the positive effect this mysterious stretch had on your back, but you can’t share the info with others?

I figure if this site trusts its readers with a ‘Steroids’ section, a shoulder stretch ought not to be an issue, right?

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It’s just the doorknob stretch with a twist, you pull hard and wiggle the thing until it pops.
Whatever…

There are more dangerous things that could fuck you up. You know, like squatting or deadlifting using stupid form.

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Is there anything else to gain besides cosmetic improvement? Is there a cost to this cosmetic improvement in terms of stability, strength…?

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[quote]DeltaOne wrote:

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
… and it all went to hell… so fast…[/quote]

I knew i should of just not posted anything lol. [/quote]

I’m thinking the same thing… I was gonna write some damage control, but I’m just gonna shut up now.

Some people here are either really, really dumb or like pretending they are. I wasn’t aware there were so many guys here who were about to step on stage and really needed to know this in order to stand out ( and there will be those that won’t understand the sarcasm here ). What blows my mind is that people don’t realize the liability isn’t on the guy who makes the choice to try this stuff, but it’s on the guy who orignally wrote about it. Oh, now I can see why Dante changed his mind on letting people know about this.

The irony is, people would rather try to change their physique using a “magical” extreme method, rather than actually spending some time in a gym building a good lat spread before worrying with this, as if, they had any real need of it.

Oh, but what do I know, I’m just a roided up asshole :slight_smile:

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I was thinking the exact same thing about the liability, like for some people is this such a hard concept to figure out? Just because your not going to try it doesnt mean that someone else reading this might and seriously mess themselves up because of it.

Thats why I said if you dig you will find it, but if dante doesnt want to talk about it anymore and if unless your border line retarded or just a total piece of shit you would respect the man.

What if some noob or bro shows up on this thread reads that post and trys it and hurts himself? I guess you could say its his fault for doing it, but he may see it differently and cause problems for dante

come on people grow up and take your head out of the sand

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[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Is there anything else to gain besides cosmetic improvement? Is there a cost to this cosmetic improvement in terms of stability, strength…?[/quote]

If you mess it up, dont heal right then there can be some problems

and to some of the other posts:

some of you people and you know who you are, are complete idiots.

seriously, witholding dangerous information can be a good thing, its why the Anarchists cookbook is banned.

Noone withheld anything I simply said if you dig you will find, I thought if someone did find it then they would realize OOOOOH this is why he didnt say anything.

But it seems some people lack common sense and respect

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Wow some people just have no respect

Kind of ridiculous people lack this much common sense then argue about it

I simply said if you dig you will find, I thought if someone looked and read the article they would understand why I didnt say anything and do the same

And yes there can be damage and harm using this method even if you do it right, if you dont know what kind of harm read about scapulas

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the pull up stretch is a component of dc which is openly spoken about

the ribcage stretch is nothing new and theres an even more in depth article on ribcage expansion on this very website

and im pretty sure any one whose had sore lats/back before would have instinctively done the ‘doorknob’ stretch and in my case using a radiator and smith machine lol

after having read on this a week + ago the article posted on page 1 aint really that much more informative than the vague responses on im anyways

at the end of the day any one that takes it to the extreme and gets f’ed only has there self to blame … and if you really didnt want anybody trying it out i think you shouldnt have posted at all in the first place because it only gives the ‘newb’ a motive to search more if hes being teased with little details

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I bang my ding dong to and fro in the shower, slapping it rhythmically against my thighs…often to MJ’s “Man in the Mirror.” Sometimes I bang my ding dong against the shower sidewalls. When I do that, it’s usually a to Stevie Wonder joint.

Don’t do it guys, I have a huge cock…but it’s not worth it.

Glad I passed through this thread.

***Years of doing this, now when I hang a wet beach towel from my rocket…it aches a bit.

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i think the issue is dante’s reputation. he’s said the same thing about DC training. don’t do it wrong and then blast him on message boards and send emails about how his system sucks. the last thing he needs is people with torn scaps saying “dante said so”. this is his livelihood.

on the other hand, its probably best that the original article was posted instead of people trying to figure it out from reading the IM boards. partial information is much more dangerous than the full thing.

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But what kind of risks are associated, that’s what I want to know. Are there cases of people hurting themselves that you know of? How long till your strength returns? It isn’t like I didn’t know of this before and I do plenty of things I would never recommend to someone else but they work. Swear to god, just cause a guy is 150 doesn’t mean he hasn’t worked out. Floyd Mayweather is “near” my weight but he is a hell of a lot more “developed” than me.

Comparing this to the anarchists cookbook, whatever the hell that is (I’ll find out later fuckhead) is not analogous. Everything we do in the gym is dangerous, but whatever play God. But now, when someone hurts themselves because you guys were blabbing away and then tried to pretend it never happened by shaming anyone who asks a question with insults, there will be a portion of blame that you will have rightfully earned.

If you are truly honest, a person can make a decision without finding out that doing this stretch leaves your wrists permanently pronated. So man the fuck up or get off this board

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And none of you idiots are going to be pros, so jump off that massive dante dick your riding

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This board is about sharing, you tell us why I shouldn’t do this if it is so dangerous. Specifically

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
Uh oh… this is bad… hope it gets deleted or edited really soon…[/quote]

SERIOUSLY??

OMG… the sky is falling![/quote]

You are one stupid motherfucker, just as dumb as all the idiots who will try this out and fuck themselves up [/quote]

You seriously believe WITHHOLDING information is best?
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What’s your credit card number and security code ?

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[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
seriously, witholding dangerous information can be a good thing, its why the Anarchists cookbook is banned.[/quote]

But, do you honestly think that cryptic remarks over how pretty the explosions are is REALLY any sort of deterrent for people expressing curiosity over the information?

If y’all were gonna get your panties wadded over this subject being “exposed”, you should’nt have chimed in with your two cents over how awesomely effective (but sssh! SECRET!) it is and interest/discussion would’ve died down.

Don’t want it posted? Say you heard it was bogus, or simply ‘x2’ X’s post and move along. Yeah, you won’t be one of the “in-crowders” privy to secret gossip at the cool lifters lunch table, but at least you’d be putting your money where your mouths, so very loudly, are.

Respect Dante by not talking about it?? Pot, meet the fucking kettle.

But, hey… I ain’t even mad.

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Funny thread.
Dante’s the (BB) man, no doubts there.

Although, personally, I’m more of ID’s opinion, I think there are situations where information on potentially dangerous stuff (healthwise for the curious party, legally for the author) might be withheld, in this case more for the author’s benefit. So, fine by me.

But hinting at knowing about it while also not parting with information on it smells of self-aggrandization: “Yeah, about that frame widening thingy: you see, we know about it, but we won’t tell you.”.

Rather condescending.

And then, after curiosity has peaked but not satisfied and someone else has posted the coveted information, the previously covert guys added insult to injury by precociously acting like disappointed teachers, like entitled veterans.

Yes, Blackaggar, zraw and DeltaOne, I’m talking to you.

Why not just shut up about it in the first place?
I also knew about that, but decided not to mention it. And I’m sure I’m not the only one.

In my opinion, ProX pretty much gave the right answer in the second post of this thread.

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Thanks Fatty

In addition, evidently some of you KNOW in detail about this particular stretch. How did you get this privileged info? Someone TOLD you or you READ about it online. Now, did you actually “endanger” yourselves by trying it, or did you use your head and determine that the warnings were best heeded?

With that said, why wouldn’t you offer the same respect offered you and disclose the same info that had been disclosed to you and let the “buyer beware” so to speak?

My God, some of you seem like you’re under the spell of a cult or something. I guess the Kool-Aid tastes too good to resist.

Oh!.. By the way, here are some things you shouldn’t try at home:

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Oh, and for the record, this is a direct quote FROM Dante referring to the scap pop stretch:

“Ive never seen anything detrimental happen or heard anything happen to anyone but its not like I can look up a pubmed study on what is happening, so i truly dont know.”

Also, when I was a 120 lb teen newb lifter performing my own version of the scap pop stretch, it wasn’t painful. Just a bit uncomfortable at first - like with ANY muscle stretch for the first time.

I would imagine that someone with quite a bit of muscle mass (strong, thick connective tissue as well) would suffer some pain.

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[quote]FattyFat wrote:
Funny thread.
Dante’s the (BB) man, no doubts there.

Although, personally, I’m more of ID’s opinion, I think there are situations where information on potentially dangerous stuff (healthwise for the curious party, legally for the author) might be withheld, in this case more for the author’s benefit. So, fine by me.

But hinting at knowing about it while also not parting with information on it smells of self-aggrandization: “Yeah, about that frame widening thingy: you see, we know about it, but we won’t tell you.”.

Rather condescending.

And then, after curiosity has peaked but not satisfied and someone else has posted the coveted information, the previously covert guys added insult to injury by precociously acting like disappointed teachers, like entitled veterans.

Yes, Blackaggar, zraw and DeltaOne, I’m talking to you.

Why not just shut up about it in the first place?
I also knew about that, but decided not to mention it. And I’m sure I’m not the only one.

In my opinion, ProX pretty much gave the right answer in the second post of this thread.
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I said after the fact in another post to delta that I shouldnt of said anything and he aggreed, did you miss that?

And ofcourse im going to be condescending in case you havent noticed im not the nicest guy especially if your an idiot

entitled veterans? how about respectful persons who know a thing or two about liability clauses?

Its not a surprise though, this is one of the most sensitive boards on the net after all.