If you want big shoulders I would check out some of Meadows “Mountain Dog” training stuff. His shoulder routines are amazin!
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
Sometime I think my shoulders look great, then i see zraw 
sigh i can’t get over these partials you and meadows are raving about, he isn’t a fan of full range because they are rough on the shoulders right?[/quote]
I sometimes have full rom side laterals in my programs but tbh I feel them much much much better when doing partials
I dont think he’s “not a fan” of full rom, but partial sides just seem to work better
when you do these lateral partials, is it the bottom portion or the top?
Reason I ask is I find the bottom portion of the lateral really hard on my shoulder joints. I couldn’t imagine loading it up extra heavy
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
when you do these lateral partials, is it the bottom portion or the top?
Reason I ask is I find the bottom portion of the lateral really hard on my shoulder joints. I couldn’t imagine loading it up extra heavy[/quote]
Bottom portion! I use 55lbs
For side lats / rear delts, I like drop sets (very heavy partials, then heavy, then medium for 3 rounds) on the last round I go to failure, you really get that burning feeling with shoulders.
Another option is to work the rear delts first, then do front raises, then finish with OHP work, the idea is that the side lats will the majority of the work which will give you the broader look
Agree with one of the earlier posters, John Meadows has some amazing idea for shoulder work, there’s an article on here where he has a rear delts destroyer exercise, it’s fucking brutal but highly effective
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
when you do these lateral partials, is it the bottom portion or the top?
Reason I ask is I find the bottom portion of the lateral really hard on my shoulder joints. I couldn’t imagine loading it up extra heavy[/quote]
Bottom portion! I use 55lbs[/quote]
So, to like 4 o’clock and 8 o’clock? And then not let the db touch your legs as to keep tension on?
I usually do mine all seated, as to not cheat.
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
when you do these lateral partials, is it the bottom portion or the top?
Reason I ask is I find the bottom portion of the lateral really hard on my shoulder joints. I couldn’t imagine loading it up extra heavy[/quote]
Bottom portion! I use 55lbs[/quote]
So, to like 4 o’clock and 8 o’clock? And then not let the db touch your legs as to keep tension on?
I usually do mine all seated, as to not cheat.[/quote]
Standing up, arms on both sides I usually go about 45degree up but the rom shortens as the rep count increases
I try not to touch legs but a small bounce doesnt take much tension away anyways as you are basically just swinging away
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
when you do these lateral partials, is it the bottom portion or the top?
Reason I ask is I find the bottom portion of the lateral really hard on my shoulder joints. I couldn’t imagine loading it up extra heavy[/quote]
Bottom portion! I use 55lbs[/quote]
So, to like 4 o’clock and 8 o’clock? And then not let the db touch your legs as to keep tension on?
I usually do mine all seated, as to not cheat.[/quote]
Standing up, arms on both sides I usually go about 45degree up but the rom shortens as the rep count increases
I try not to touch legs but a small bounce doesnt take much tension away anyways as you are basically just swinging away
[/quote]
Thanks. I’m gonna incorporate it and see what happens. I’m not a BB’er, but I’d like bigger shoulders. Shit, you’re are pretty killer. Sorry 
Strangemeadow here are some youtube vids of how it should look like. I need to start focusing more attention of my front delts I guess through more incline barbell pressing in my chest and shoulder workouts.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]Wahuuga wrote:
[quote]darkhorse1-1 wrote:
[quote]Iron_Made wrote:
In before John Meadows[/quote]
I don’t understand what that means.
[/quote]
He means go read some of Meadows stuff. Has written extensively on the subject.[/quote]
lol, OP I am just gonna copy and paste what I addressed in another thread.
Concerning your traps don’t worry about it just have the dumbbells hanging just right where you feel the tension is in the delts before you start the movement; you should feel your delts pump up.
Partial laterals and partner eccentric assisted machine lateral raises are great if you got a workout buddy. The key to the heavy swings is to hang them just right where the tension is kept on the appropriate delt whether doing lateral or rear delt swings.
If the rear delt machine sucks in your gym I just do the 4x35 with 10 pound dumbbells before finishing with this finisher.
[/quote]
Joab-
Thanks for finding this. Gonna try this out tomorrow. Or today
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
when you do these lateral partials, is it the bottom portion or the top?
Reason I ask is I find the bottom portion of the lateral really hard on my shoulder joints. I couldn’t imagine loading it up extra heavy[/quote]
Bottom portion! I use 55lbs[/quote]
hmmm I have a temperamental infraspinatus so I’m not sure how good an idea it is for me to try that… Maybe if I just build up conservatively I’d be ok
I think I’ll give Ct Rock’s FST-7 a try in the meantime
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
Strangemeadow here are some youtube vids of how it should look like. I need to start focusing more attention of my front delts I guess through more incline barbell pressing in my chest and shoulder workouts.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]Wahuuga wrote:
[quote]darkhorse1-1 wrote:
[quote]Iron_Made wrote:
In before John Meadows[/quote]
I don’t understand what that means.
[/quote]
He means go read some of Meadows stuff. Has written extensively on the subject.[/quote]
lol, OP I am just gonna copy and paste what I addressed in another thread.
Concerning your traps don’t worry about it just have the dumbbells hanging just right where you feel the tension is in the delts before you start the movement; you should feel your delts pump up.
Partial laterals and partner eccentric assisted machine lateral raises are great if you got a workout buddy. The key to the heavy swings is to hang them just right where the tension is kept on the appropriate delt whether doing lateral or rear delt swings.
If the rear delt machine sucks in your gym I just do the 4x35 with 10 pound dumbbells before finishing with this finisher.
[/quote][/quote]
good shit! gonna try this as well.
clean&press with more close/neutral grip is my way to go. also deFranco’s shoulders shocker,but more to keep blood flowing and rehab work than serious stuff.
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
While OHP is definitely good for developing shoulder strength, a solid base for pressing movements (shoulder, upper chest and tricep strength), and nailing front delts fairly well, I’ve found that if your goal is to develop well rounded, thick bodybuilder type muscles, then obsessing about shoulder pressing is not the best way to go.
The more serious I got in my own training as far as building a stage ready physique, the less reliance I had on pressing work. I’m not saying to eschew it completely, but a good serving of lateral, and rear lateral work will contribute much more to thick, capped delts than a ton of pressing will.
S[/quote]
Stu,
What do you do for lateral and rear lateral work? Just curious.[/quote]
Sorry I missed this, typing with one hand until the sling can come off. Over the years, I’ve seen people make use of strict lateral work, getting some results, and looser lateral work, getting some results. So I try to incorporate every small trick I’ve learned into my approach.
-Hit side delts first if you’re trying to enhance your width and ‘caps’.
-Don’t allow the DBs to move in front of your torso at the bottom part of the lateral ROM (totally removes stress from the medial head)
-While some people can go SLIGHTLY (a couple of inches) above parallel at the top ROM in order to get a tight contraction, too much will always engage your traps
-Leaning Away single arm laterals are a great exercise, so long as you get something out of your muscles by fighting the weight on the negatives. Otherwise you’re just swinging a weight that you can’t actually lift.
-On leaning away laterals, letting the weight move in front of your torso at the bottom will shift the stress away from the medial delt (similar to what occurs if you do the same during standing Db laterals)
-On bent over rear laterals (I’ve always done these facing down on an incline bench), pointing your thumbs down will really target your posterior heads, but if you have issues with your spinatus, just keep a palms down position
-On bent laterals, extend your elbows as much as possible in order to get the most out of lighter weights. Bending your elbows just shortens the ‘lever’ so you think your muscles are doing more work by the use of heavier dumbells.
-A limited ROM on bent lateral work will ensure your focus on keep tension on the very small rear delts, and not turning this into a back/lower trap exercise. I usually limit my ROM from straight out, to about 18" down - never allowing tension to dissipate from the target muscle.
With ^That out of the way, I usually order my exercises as such:
1st- STRICT laterals, either seated, or a machine so I don’t worry about too much weight stressing my wrists.
Next- Leaning away single arm laterals. I’m already toasted from the strict work, now I’ll cheat a bit on the concentric in order to really fight a weight I couldn’t handle strictly on the way down. Think of it like a little pre-exhaust, but with one muscle being addressed.
Third- Bent Laterals. I don’t worry so much about being the strongest mofo in the gym with these, and even on my “boy I feel strong” days, I’ll only use the 30’s. Strict, Strict, Strict!
After all of that, then I worry about doing my pressing work. I’ll either do just one pressing movement (usually seated DBs), or sometimes I’ll do a few sets of reverse presses to warm-up/pre-exhaust the anterior head, and then finish up with a few sets of seated DBs, or even push presses.
S
What do you guys think about Upright rows for side delts? i know some people have problems with this infamous exercise but if you only lift to chest level, isn’t that also a great workout for your Side delts/Traps?
All you need is OHP, lateral raises, and rear delt flyes.
[quote]zraw wrote:
Day 1 : Legs
Day2 : Chest Shoulders
Day 3 : Off
Day 4 : Back
Day 5 : off
Day 6 : Arms
Day 2 :
Inclined db press pyramid up 3 x 12-10-8
Flat db press with squeeze at top and stretch hold at bottom 1 sec each 3 x 8
Decline smithmachine press : 1 x 25, 1 x 20, 1 x 12, 1 x 10-drop weight some for 6 more reps, drop weight go wide grip for max reps
Machine fly : 3 x 12 with 1sec hold at top portion
HEAVY DB partial side laterals 3 x 35… STRAP UP
Bent over cable crossovers 3 x 25
Smith overhead press, small rom, from top of ur head to NOT full lockout 4 x 10
Do this for 8weeks and come back [/quote]
looks good…i will give it a shot… but zraw can you explain heavy in HEAVY DB partial side laterals 3x35? i don’t know for me at least to complete 35 reps on any exercise i would have to go really girly weights…so in terms of % of RM?
[quote]greatkeen wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
Day 1 : Legs
Day2 : Chest Shoulders
Day 3 : Off
Day 4 : Back
Day 5 : off
Day 6 : Arms
Day 2 :
Inclined db press pyramid up 3 x 12-10-8
Flat db press with squeeze at top and stretch hold at bottom 1 sec each 3 x 8
Decline smithmachine press : 1 x 25, 1 x 20, 1 x 12, 1 x 10-drop weight some for 6 more reps, drop weight go wide grip for max reps
Machine fly : 3 x 12 with 1sec hold at top portion
HEAVY DB partial side laterals 3 x 35… STRAP UP
Bent over cable crossovers 3 x 25
Smith overhead press, small rom, from top of ur head to NOT full lockout 4 x 10
Do this for 8weeks and come back [/quote]
looks good…i will give it a shot… but zraw can you explain heavy in HEAVY DB partial side laterals 3x35? i don’t know for me at least to complete 35 reps on any exercise i would have to go really girly weights…so in terms of % of RM?[/quote]
Just do whats in the video and you’ll thank me later
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
Strangemeadow here are some youtube vids of how it should look like. I need to start focusing more attention of my front delts I guess through more incline barbell pressing in my chest and shoulder workouts.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]Wahuuga wrote:
[quote]darkhorse1-1 wrote:
[quote]Iron_Made wrote:
In before John Meadows[/quote]
I don’t understand what that means.
[/quote]
He means go read some of Meadows stuff. Has written extensively on the subject.[/quote]
lol, OP I am just gonna copy and paste what I addressed in another thread.
Concerning your traps don’t worry about it just have the dumbbells hanging just right where you feel the tension is in the delts before you start the movement; you should feel your delts pump up.
Partial laterals and partner eccentric assisted machine lateral raises are great if you got a workout buddy. The key to the heavy swings is to hang them just right where the tension is kept on the appropriate delt whether doing lateral or rear delt swings.
If the rear delt machine sucks in your gym I just do the 4x35 with 10 pound dumbbells before finishing with this finisher.
[/quote][/quote]
looks good…i will give it a shot… but zraw can you explain heavy in HEAVY DB partial side laterals 3x35? i don’t know for me at least to complete 35 reps on any exercise i would have to go really girly weights…so in terms of % of RM?[/quote]
Just do whats in the video and you’ll thank me later
[/quote]
for some reason none of the videos is playing on my PC…may be it’s the office PC? can you please post the link instead of direct embedding them?
Thanks.
[quote]greatkeen wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]greatkeen wrote:
looks good…i will give it a shot… but zraw can you explain heavy in HEAVY DB partial side laterals 3x35? i don’t know for me at least to complete 35 reps on any exercise i would have to go really girly weights…so in terms of % of RM?[/quote]
Just do whats in the video and you’ll thank me later
[/quote]
for some reason none of the videos is playing on my PC…may be it’s the office PC? can you please post the link instead of direct embedding them?
Thanks.[/quote]
No problem, remove the quotations though.
“High Intensity Shoulders - YouTube”
“Hang and Swing Destroyer Set - YouTube”
Thanks man.