[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Kongo/Mir could be pretty good though.[/quote]
Mir will destroy him.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Why not? Without the Brock-scrotum-clad eyeglasses you’d realize that anyone can be softened up for a submission.
Outstriking Brock is very much possible, it borders on complete ignorance to think the huge guy is already some sort of striking master.
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I’m with you on Brock’s striking level… I just dont think Mir can hurt him, and sooner or later Brock ends up on top of Mir…lights out.
We should ban anymore Lesnar threads it’s getting old.
[quote]drewh wrote:
We should ban anymore Lesnar threads it’s getting old.[/quote]
At least until his next fight.
Yeah
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
dhickey wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
cycobushmaster wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Mir will be the better striker everytime. While Lesnar can obviously improve his stand up, he just doesn’t seem to flow when he throws a punch. He just doesn’t have “it”. He’s stiff, choppy and pushes his punch.
You are correct, but even so he knocked down Heath Herring and Randy Couture with one very stiff, choppy, but powerful punch.
Lesnar can obviously take Mir [and everyone else thus far] down at will, but people seem to forget or disregard that the few times Lesnar has been tagged in the face it’s completely thrown him off his game, and he still hasn’t been tagged flush in the nose/mouth/eye/etc.
Right before Mir threw that absurd jumping knee he landed a few glancing blows and Lesnar lost where he was. Same thing with Couture. He’s not making opponents change their strategies or anything, they’re just tossin’ a few at him and stopping. Maybe they’re just “testing the waters” and not risking getting taken down? Either way, as soon as we see Lesnar take a serious shot [or shots] and still fight his fight I’m not jumping on his bandwagon as most seem to do.
You’re not jumping on his bandwagon because he hasn’t been properly tested on his feet? Is that what you’re saying? A better question would be why is it he has not been tested on his feet (as you say) after meeting some excellent opponents? When you have the wrestling skills of Brock Lesnar other fighters are more careful in how they approach you. If this was simply a boxing match then he’d probably have lost on his feet by now, but it isn’t and he will keep winning.
It’s nice that Mir would like to take on Lesnar again, but he doesn’t have much of a chance of beating him. Lesnar will only get better from here. He’s already shown growth by staying tight on Mir on the ground, not allowing Mir to create space to set up a JJ submission.
I agree with those who have said that a Mir/Nog rematch would be a far more interesting fight.
He knocked them down but apparently can’t knock anyone out. It’s like getting slapped with a bear paw. I already addressed that it’s not that Lesnar nullifies his opponents stand-up, it’s that his opponents seem to abondon the stand-up before they ever commit to it. What I’m saying is I want to see his chin tested before I champion him as this unbeatable super hulk as so many on this site and elsewhere are so fond of doing. The level of Brock nut-huggery is reaching a nauseating level.
you’re Mir nuthugger.
Brock beat the crap out of him that 2nd time, and there was nothing he could do but get hit and not die. and i have yet to see why people keep talking about Nog’s standup…he gets hit in the face. a lot.
i do think Carwin is a good test for Brock, but i think Kongo is a bad matchup for Mir. i think we’ll be seeing Brock-Kongo in not too long…
I’m surprised you could type all that with Lesnar fucking your face. How many unanswered shots did Lesnar land and still not knock Mir out? If you gotta take his piece outta your mouth to answer I can wait. I’m watching football so take your time.
Man this is just painful. What unanswered shots? The arm punches from on top in the first round? Yeah he was really in a possition to land ko shots there. Did he look like he was trying to finish him?
Brock lands as many unanwered shots on Mir as he wanted to and Brock is the one that sucks. Yep, Mir should have won that fight. If only he had followed his game plan. More like if only Brock would have folled Mir’s gameplan.
You really are tiresome and so are your views of Lesnar and Mir. The more you post on this particular subject, the more you look like an ass.
You also seem to have some sort of fetish with Lesnar’s genitals. I wasn’t a pysch major but I believe you may be projecting your fantasies on all of those you accuse of having Lesnar’s genitals in and around their mouths.
Dude, for the last time if Mir would’ve stuck to his gameplan he woulda won. It’s that simple dipshit. You making excuses for Lesnar now? Of course he was trying to finish him numbnuts. His attempts were a step-up from his usual retard having a seizure slaps he’s become famous for, but not much. The second round Mir threw the jumping knee, missed and landed on his back and Lesnar mongo’d him until the ref stopped it. Those were cleaner and more of 'em, and he still couldn’t ko him. So your boy calls me a nuthugger and I make a joke at his expense and you bring up psych class and fellatio and you claim I’m projecting? Might wanna look into that.[/quote]
I hate Brock, but he did fuck up Mir. Maybe Brocks size and strength advantage made Mir abandon his gameplan.
In the 2nd round, Brock was beginning to put more leverage on those punches, and the way Mir was unable to defend himself, Brock would have given him brain damage if the ref hadn’t stoppoed it. Laying there in a fetal position with your right hand limp beside your head isn’t the best defense.
I would be happy to see a rematch.
Mir Lesnar is 1 and 1. And Mir had Lesnar worried with his striking before he threw the stupid knee and then accepted the half guard position way to happily. I think Mir totally underestimated how good Lesnar’s control would be from the top position.
I really do not like Lesnar’s persona but will be interested to see how he improves in his next fight. From a striking perspective, it is obvious that Lesnar is big and strong however he does seem to knock people over more than knock them down (if that makes any sense.) He also doesn’t seem to take strikes very well, he has a tendency to kind of turn away. This is something that a good striker should be able to capitalise on though if his coach is worth the money, this is also something that Lesnar should be working on.
If I had Lesnar training with me I would have good boxers in daily working him over against the ropes getting him to practice firing back and circling out.
i like Mir - but he got too cocky w/ his standup. Example: Demian Meia vs Marquardt
Yea he was looking good but Brock came with it - looking for that takedown knowing he can muscle him on the ground which he did in such fashion…geez that was rough.
Randy survived longer…wonder if Mir studied that fight
No doubt Nog was NOT the same in that fight w/ Mir - i was disappointed as hell but hey everyone has a crap day.
Unless Kongo has been working on his ground - he will be screwed by either Nog/ Mir/ Brock.
I agree that Mir vs Nog again would be more exciting than Mir vs. Lesnar 3
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
He knocked them down but apparently can’t knock anyone out. It’s like getting slapped with a bear paw. I already addressed that it’s not that Lesnar nullifies his opponents stand-up, it’s that his opponents seem to abondon the stand-up before they ever commit to it.[/quote] Getting hit with a bear paw tends do make you rethink your commitments. [quote] What I’m saying is I want to see his chin tested before I champion him as this unbeatable super hulk as so many on this site and elsewhere are so fond of doing. The level of Brock nut-huggery is reaching a nauseating level.[/quote] If nobody can get to his chin how do you test it? Nobody is saying he’s unbeatable, they’re just saying Mir isn’t the one to do it. Lesnar has been getting better, and Mir has been getting worse, and evidently dumber if he thinks he’s just going to rip Silva shoulders out.
Mir wants the pay day that will come with a Lesnar ass whippin.
[quote]bboyedizon wrote:
i like Mir - but he got too cocky w/ his standup. Example: Demian Meia vs Marquardt
Yea he was looking good but Brock came with it - looking for that takedown knowing he can muscle him on the ground which he did in such fashion…geez that was rough.
Randy survived longer…wonder if Mir studied that fight
No doubt Nog was NOT the same in that fight w/ Mir - i was disappointed as hell but hey everyone has a crap day.
Unless Kongo has been working on his ground - he will be screwed by either Nog/ Mir/ Brock.
I agree that Mir vs Nog again would be more exciting than Mir vs. Lesnar 3
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I would not say Kongo is screwed… Although Frank Mir is a much better striker now, he does have a tendency to absorb a lot of damage in order to try to go for a submission. His terrible strategy in the last Brock fight was not something new… he was knocked out by Ian Freeman and Cruz on the ground (before and after the accident) Kongo has vicious ground and pound and may be able to keep it standing, where paradoxically, Frank Mir has improved the most. It will be an interesting fight for sure.
[quote]Nikiforos wrote:
bboyedizon wrote:
i like Mir - but he got too cocky w/ his standup. Example: Demian Meia vs Marquardt
Yea he was looking good but Brock came with it - looking for that takedown knowing he can muscle him on the ground which he did in such fashion…geez that was rough.
Randy survived longer…wonder if Mir studied that fight
No doubt Nog was NOT the same in that fight w/ Mir - i was disappointed as hell but hey everyone has a crap day.
Unless Kongo has been working on his ground - he will be screwed by either Nog/ Mir/ Brock.
I agree that Mir vs Nog again would be more exciting than Mir vs. Lesnar 3
I would not say Kongo is screwed… Although Frank Mir is a much better striker now, he does have a tendency to absorb a lot of damage in order to try to go for a submission. His terrible strategy in the last Brock fight was not something new… he was knocked out by Ian Freeman and Cruz on the ground (before and after the accident) Kongo has vicious ground and pound and may be able to keep it standing, where paradoxically, Frank Mir has improved the most. It will be an interesting fight for sure.[/quote]
Mir’s TDs are < Velasquez. If Kongo can’t keep it standing against Mir, he won’t do well against any of the wrestlers. I think he’ll be able to keep it standing most of the fight. We’ll get to see quite of bit of Frank’s striking and how much it has improved.
[quote]mitchellh wrote:
Mir wants the pay day that will come with a Lesnar ass whippin.[/quote]
Uh, Mir made $45,000 in their rematch compared to Lesnars $300,000. The money has nothing to do with it. He wants the fight 'cause he knows he can beat him.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
Nikiforos wrote:
bboyedizon wrote:
i like Mir - but he got too cocky w/ his standup. Example: Demian Meia vs Marquardt
Yea he was looking good but Brock came with it - looking for that takedown knowing he can muscle him on the ground which he did in such fashion…geez that was rough.
Randy survived longer…wonder if Mir studied that fight
No doubt Nog was NOT the same in that fight w/ Mir - i was disappointed as hell but hey everyone has a crap day.
Unless Kongo has been working on his ground - he will be screwed by either Nog/ Mir/ Brock.
I agree that Mir vs Nog again would be more exciting than Mir vs. Lesnar 3
I would not say Kongo is screwed… Although Frank Mir is a much better striker now, he does have a tendency to absorb a lot of damage in order to try to go for a submission. His terrible strategy in the last Brock fight was not something new… he was knocked out by Ian Freeman and Cruz on the ground (before and after the accident) Kongo has vicious ground and pound and may be able to keep it standing, where paradoxically, Frank Mir has improved the most. It will be an interesting fight for sure.
Mir’s TDs are < Velasquez. If Kongo can’t keep it standing against Mir, he won’t do well against any of the wrestlers. I think he’ll be able to keep it standing most of the fight. We’ll get to see quite of bit of Frank’s striking and how much it has improved.[/quote]
or we can see Mir get KO’d!!! j/k - i really do see a submission coming though
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
mitchellh wrote:
Mir wants the pay day that will come with a Lesnar ass whippin.
Uh, Mir made $45,000 in their rematch compared to Lesnars $300,000. The money has nothing to do with it. He wants the fight 'cause he knows he can beat him.[/quote]
You really think that’s all he made?
LOL, I love how easy it is to under-rate Lesnar’s ability. Everything is obviously tied into his size, but I don’t know how we can diminish such an attribute (especially when combined with his speed at that size.) What does mir have for Lesnar if they were to run it again? He was almost pounded out in their first fight, and then beaten to a pulp in their second. Lesnar is only improving.
Further, the more I look at Carwin’s fights, the less I think he is going to be the guy to beat Brock. Sure he’s obviously got a shot, but I think Lesnar has to come into that fight heavily favored.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
LOL, I love how easy it is to under-rate Lesnar’s ability. Everything is obviously tied into his size, but I don’t know how we can diminish such an attribute (especially when combined with his speed at that size.) What does mir have for Lesnar if they were to run it again? He was almost pounded out in their first fight, and then beaten to a pulp in their second. Lesnar is only improving.
Further, the more I look at Carwin’s fights, the less I think he is going to be the guy to beat Brock. Sure he’s obviously got a shot, but I think Lesnar has to come into that fight heavily favored. [/quote]
Words of wisdom slimjim.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
mitchellh wrote:
Mir wants the pay day that will come with a Lesnar ass whippin.
Uh, Mir made $45,000 in their rematch compared to Lesnars $300,000. The money has nothing to do with it. He wants the fight 'cause he knows he can beat him.
You really think that’s all he made?[/quote]
That’s what was reported. It seems way low to me, but remember seeing his winnings for recent past fights and it’s pretty consistent. Whatever it was it wasn’t near what Lesnar got. With his performance it shouldn’t have been, but even if he won I think he was gonna top out around a hundo. With what the UFC’s making off of these guys there needs to be sort of some union or something to get these guys more money, 'cause some of these purses are ridiculous, relatively speaking.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
That’s what was reported.
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this is the key word. reported.
why do you think that?
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With what the UFC’s making off of these guys there needs to be sort of some union or something to get these guys more money, 'cause some of these purses are ridiculous, relatively speaking.[/quote]
I don’t hear them complaining. All we see is reported purses. They make quite a bit more than their reported purses for a single fight. I don’t understand all the talk of a union. A very small % of americans actually belong to a union.
A union will not change the overal pay of fighters. Some will receive more at the expense of others being payed less. If they are given health insurance, 401k, or other benefits, it will be at the expense of cash money. Don’t forget the overhead for actual adminstration of a union. Salaries, facilities, golf courses, boondoggles, bribes, etc. All money coming out of fighters’ pockets.
I guess if you want lower level fighters to make more at the expense of better fighters that actaully bring in revenues, then a union is a good idea. If fighters want a union to decide that they are incapable of planning for and saving for retirement on their own, or purchase their own health care, then a union will happily change cash in their pockets into some other benefit.
If I was a fighter I would not want to pay my agent and a union to do essentially the same thing. You can at least fire your agent.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
Further, the more I look at Carwin’s fights, the less I think he is going to be the guy to beat Brock. Sure he’s obviously got a shot, but I think Lesnar has to come into that fight heavily favored. [/quote]
Gotta agree that Lesnar will be the favorite in that fight. I really like Carwin as a HW, and think he’s got one of the best chances of beating Brock of anyone in the UFC. But Lesnar is an absolute freak, and he’s so young to MMA that he is still improving by leaps and bounds every time he fights. It’ll be interesting to see what kind of game plan both guys bring and who will be able to execute theirs better.