Mir Wants a Rematch with Brock!

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Mir will be the better striker everytime. While Lesnar can obviously improve his stand up, he just doesn’t seem to flow when he throws a punch. He just doesn’t have “it”. He’s stiff, choppy and pushes his punch. [/quote]

You are correct, but even so he knocked down Heath Herring and Randy Couture with one very stiff, choppy, but powerful punch.

[quote]
Lesnar can obviously take Mir [and everyone else thus far] down at will, but people seem to forget or disregard that the few times Lesnar has been tagged in the face it’s completely thrown him off his game, and he still hasn’t been tagged flush in the nose/mouth/eye/etc.

Right before Mir threw that absurd jumping knee he landed a few glancing blows and Lesnar lost where he was. Same thing with Couture. He’s not making opponents change their strategies or anything, they’re just tossin’ a few at him and stopping. Maybe they’re just “testing the waters” and not risking getting taken down? Either way, as soon as we see Lesnar take a serious shot [or shots] and still fight his fight I’m not jumping on his bandwagon as most seem to do. [/quote]

You’re not jumping on his bandwagon because he hasn’t been properly tested on his feet? Is that what you’re saying? A better question would be why is it he has not been tested on his feet (as you say) after meeting some excellent opponents? When you have the wrestling skills of Brock Lesnar other fighters are more careful in how they approach you. If this was simply a boxing match then he’d probably have lost on his feet by now, but it isn’t and he will keep winning.

It’s nice that Mir would like to take on Lesnar again, but he doesn’t have much of a chance of beating him. Lesnar will only get better from here. He’s already shown growth by staying tight on Mir on the ground, not allowing Mir to create space to set up a JJ submission.

I agree with those who have said that a Mir/Nog rematch would be a far more interesting fight.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Mir will be the better striker everytime. While Lesnar can obviously improve his stand up, he just doesn’t seem to flow when he throws a punch. He just doesn’t have “it”. He’s stiff, choppy and pushes his punch.

You are correct, but even so he knocked down Heath Herring and Randy Couture with one very stiff, choppy, but powerful punch.

Lesnar can obviously take Mir [and everyone else thus far] down at will, but people seem to forget or disregard that the few times Lesnar has been tagged in the face it’s completely thrown him off his game, and he still hasn’t been tagged flush in the nose/mouth/eye/etc.

Right before Mir threw that absurd jumping knee he landed a few glancing blows and Lesnar lost where he was. Same thing with Couture. He’s not making opponents change their strategies or anything, they’re just tossin’ a few at him and stopping. Maybe they’re just “testing the waters” and not risking getting taken down? Either way, as soon as we see Lesnar take a serious shot [or shots] and still fight his fight I’m not jumping on his bandwagon as most seem to do.

You’re not jumping on his bandwagon because he hasn’t been properly tested on his feet? Is that what you’re saying? A better question would be why is it he has not been tested on his feet (as you say) after meeting some excellent opponents? When you have the wrestling skills of Brock Lesnar other fighters are more careful in how they approach you. If this was simply a boxing match then he’d probably have lost on his feet by now, but it isn’t and he will keep winning.

It’s nice that Mir would like to take on Lesnar again, but he doesn’t have much of a chance of beating him. Lesnar will only get better from here. He’s already shown growth by staying tight on Mir on the ground, not allowing Mir to create space to set up a JJ submission.

I agree with those who have said that a Mir/Nog rematch would be a far more interesting fight.

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He knocked them down but apparently can’t knock anyone out. It’s like getting slapped with a bear paw. I already addressed that it’s not that Lesnar nullifies his opponents stand-up, it’s that his opponents seem to abondon the stand-up before they ever commit to it. What I’m saying is I want to see his chin tested before I champion him as this unbeatable super hulk as so many on this site and elsewhere are so fond of doing. The level of Brock nut-huggery is reaching a nauseating level.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Mir will be the better striker everytime. While Lesnar can obviously improve his stand up, he just doesn’t seem to flow when he throws a punch. He just doesn’t have “it”. He’s stiff, choppy and pushes his punch. Lesnar can obviously take Mir [and everyone else thus far] down at will, but people seem to forget or disregard that the few times Lesnar has been tagged in the face it’s completely thrown him off his game, and he still hasn’t been tagged flush in the nose/mouth/eye/etc.
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Brock is never going to become the next Anderson Silva, no one is arguing that. And he’ll probably never have Carwin’s KO power. But the guy has only been training striking for a couple of years now (who knows, maybe less). So, I suspect that he’ll continue to improve noticeably.

He may never be as “pretty” of a striker as Mir, but with his size and power he doesn’t really need to be. There are numerous great boxers who weren’t pretty fighters, but instead brawlers/bangers who would simply get close to their opponents and overpower them. Foreman in his earlier career, Marciano (who never lost a single fight), Hatton to a degree, etc…

Brock’s size pretty much means that he’s not going to be staying on the outside and pot shotting his opponents with lightning fast jabs like Ali. But again, there are numerous effective “styles” of striking, and personally I think that Brock just needs to understand which one works best for him and then how to apply it.

So, I disagree that Mir will always be the “better” striker.

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Right before Mir threw that absurd jumping knee he landed a few glancing blows and Lesnar lost where he was. Same thing with Couture. He’s not making opponents change their strategies or anything, they’re just tossin’ a few at him and stopping. Maybe they’re just “testing the waters” and not risking getting taken down? Either way, as soon as we see Lesnar take a serious shot [or shots] and still fight his fight I’m not jumping on his bandwagon as most seem to do. [/quote]

I’ll agree that he’s been rocked and can be KO’d. And I agree that he hasn’t taken a really hard shot on the button yet. But I don’t really see Mir being the guy to KO him either.

Also, his opponents go into the fights with strategies designed to put them in the least possible danger of getting taken down. Because, save for maybe a few, you’d have to be crazy to want to go to the ground with Lesnar. So, no he’s not making them intentionally change that strategy, but then again, he isn’t letting them employ it effectively either.

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I see what you’re saying and agree on most of it, I just don’t see Lesnar ever having more than decent stand-up. He just doesn’t look smooth throwing a punch, and he’s thrown the same arm punch in every fight. He just doesn’t seem to be able to fix it. In all honesty, I feel Carwin’s got the best shot of beating him right now 'cause he can somewhat nullify the huge strength/size advantage Lesnar’s had so far, but Mir still stands a really good chance.

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[quote]Valor wrote:
Mir must have sustained a brain injury…

Frank Mir made it clear that he is set on breaking the 1-1 deadlock he has with UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar Friday during a Q and A session for fans after the WEC weigh-ins in San Antonio, Texas.

However, the former UFC heavyweight champion said he believed the pair wouldnâ??t be fighting for the belt should their third encounter happen in the near future. Mir told the crowd that he felt Shane Carwin would defeat Lesnar in their main event bout at UFC 106 on Nov. 21 in Las Vegas. Noting Carwinâ??s strength, Mir stated that he did not believe Lesnar would be able to bully Carwin the way he did to him at UFC 100 last July.

When asked if he had spoken with Lesnar since the bout and their post-fight altercation, Mir said he had not, but that he was still planning on it.

â??If I do what I have to do, I will get locked in the cage with him again and we will discuss it then,â?? said Mir, who is slated to face Cheick Kongo at UFC 107 on Dec. 12 in Memphis.

Mir declined to answer whether he was suffering from a knee injury during his loss to the brutish 2000 NCAA Div. I wrestling champion, which had postponed the bout by two-and-a-half months. He made it clear he was not going to walk down the same path he felt Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira took after losing to Mir.

Finally, Mir touched on his interest in fighting middleweight champion Anderson Silva, who reportedly named Mir his choice candidate at heavyweight last August. In an exclusive interview with Sherdog.com shortly after, Mir said heâ??d â??rip (Silvaâ??s) shoulder out of the socket.â??

â??I would be extremely interested in that fight,â?? said Mir Friday. â??I have learned that size helps people win fights. It would be a bad night for him if we end up grappling. He should keep doing a few exhibitions at light heavyweight and stay at middleweight.â??
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it sounds like Mir is just throwing names out there so he can have a “buzz” about him…

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Mir will be the better striker everytime. While Lesnar can obviously improve his stand up, he just doesn’t seem to flow when he throws a punch. He just doesn’t have “it”. He’s stiff, choppy and pushes his punch.

You are correct, but even so he knocked down Heath Herring and Randy Couture with one very stiff, choppy, but powerful punch.

Lesnar can obviously take Mir [and everyone else thus far] down at will, but people seem to forget or disregard that the few times Lesnar has been tagged in the face it’s completely thrown him off his game, and he still hasn’t been tagged flush in the nose/mouth/eye/etc.

Right before Mir threw that absurd jumping knee he landed a few glancing blows and Lesnar lost where he was. Same thing with Couture. He’s not making opponents change their strategies or anything, they’re just tossin’ a few at him and stopping. Maybe they’re just “testing the waters” and not risking getting taken down? Either way, as soon as we see Lesnar take a serious shot [or shots] and still fight his fight I’m not jumping on his bandwagon as most seem to do.

You’re not jumping on his bandwagon because he hasn’t been properly tested on his feet? Is that what you’re saying? A better question would be why is it he has not been tested on his feet (as you say) after meeting some excellent opponents? When you have the wrestling skills of Brock Lesnar other fighters are more careful in how they approach you. If this was simply a boxing match then he’d probably have lost on his feet by now, but it isn’t and he will keep winning.

It’s nice that Mir would like to take on Lesnar again, but he doesn’t have much of a chance of beating him. Lesnar will only get better from here. He’s already shown growth by staying tight on Mir on the ground, not allowing Mir to create space to set up a JJ submission.

I agree with those who have said that a Mir/Nog rematch would be a far more interesting fight.

He knocked them down but apparently can’t knock anyone out. It’s like getting slapped with a bear paw. I already addressed that it’s not that Lesnar nullifies his opponents stand-up, it’s that his opponents seem to abondon the stand-up before they ever commit to it. What I’m saying is I want to see his chin tested before I champion him as this unbeatable super hulk as so many on this site and elsewhere are so fond of doing. The level of Brock nut-huggery is reaching a nauseating level.[/quote]

you’re Mir nuthugger.

Brock beat the crap out of him that 2nd time, and there was nothing he could do but get hit and not die. and i have yet to see why people keep talking about Nog’s standup…he gets hit in the face. a lot.

i do think Carwin is a good test for Brock, but i think Kongo is a bad matchup for Mir. i think we’ll be seeing Brock-Kongo in not too long…

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I know he beat Nog and Lesnar, but it just seems like Mir is irrelevant among top HW’s. Cain and Carwin only getting better, Lesnar has his number, and Nog and Gonzaga are still better fighters than Mir imo. Mir doesn’t really match up well with any of the UFC’s top heavyweights, except maybe a green Cain. I think Mir and Nog are on the way out and the new UFC superstars are going to be massive, athletic wrestlers. I don’t mention Kongo because his ground game is a joke and he will get destroyed by any of the above.

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Frank Mir Workout - Inside Look - YouTube Mir working the weights with Mark.

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Mir will be the better striker everytime. While Lesnar can obviously improve his stand up, he just doesn’t seem to flow when he throws a punch. He just doesn’t have “it”. He’s stiff, choppy and pushes his punch.

You are correct, but even so he knocked down Heath Herring and Randy Couture with one very stiff, choppy, but powerful punch.

Lesnar can obviously take Mir [and everyone else thus far] down at will, but people seem to forget or disregard that the few times Lesnar has been tagged in the face it’s completely thrown him off his game, and he still hasn’t been tagged flush in the nose/mouth/eye/etc.

Right before Mir threw that absurd jumping knee he landed a few glancing blows and Lesnar lost where he was. Same thing with Couture. He’s not making opponents change their strategies or anything, they’re just tossin’ a few at him and stopping. Maybe they’re just “testing the waters” and not risking getting taken down? Either way, as soon as we see Lesnar take a serious shot [or shots] and still fight his fight I’m not jumping on his bandwagon as most seem to do.

You’re not jumping on his bandwagon because he hasn’t been properly tested on his feet? Is that what you’re saying? A better question would be why is it he has not been tested on his feet (as you say) after meeting some excellent opponents? When you have the wrestling skills of Brock Lesnar other fighters are more careful in how they approach you. If this was simply a boxing match then he’d probably have lost on his feet by now, but it isn’t and he will keep winning.

It’s nice that Mir would like to take on Lesnar again, but he doesn’t have much of a chance of beating him. Lesnar will only get better from here. He’s already shown growth by staying tight on Mir on the ground, not allowing Mir to create space to set up a JJ submission.

I agree with those who have said that a Mir/Nog rematch would be a far more interesting fight.

He knocked them down but apparently can’t knock anyone out. It’s like getting slapped with a bear paw. I already addressed that it’s not that Lesnar nullifies his opponents stand-up, it’s that his opponents seem to abondon the stand-up before they ever commit to it. What I’m saying is I want to see his chin tested before I champion him as this unbeatable super hulk as so many on this site and elsewhere are so fond of doing. The level of Brock nut-huggery is reaching a nauseating level.

you’re Mir nuthugger.

Brock beat the crap out of him that 2nd time, and there was nothing he could do but get hit and not die. and i have yet to see why people keep talking about Nog’s standup…he gets hit in the face. a lot.

i do think Carwin is a good test for Brock, but i think Kongo is a bad matchup for Mir. i think we’ll be seeing Brock-Kongo in not too long…[/quote]

Kongo would probably have to wait awhile. Looks like Nog is next and they certainly seem to be keeping Velasquez in queue. Assuming he gets past Mir, he probably has two more fights against top guys before getting a shot. If one of those is a wrestler, he’s screwed.

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[quote]drewh wrote:
Frank Mir Workout - Inside Look - YouTube Mir working the weights with Mark.[/quote]

Didn’t see anything heavy?

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Mir will be the better striker everytime. While Lesnar can obviously improve his stand up, he just doesn’t seem to flow when he throws a punch. He just doesn’t have “it”. He’s stiff, choppy and pushes his punch.

You are correct, but even so he knocked down Heath Herring and Randy Couture with one very stiff, choppy, but powerful punch.

Lesnar can obviously take Mir [and everyone else thus far] down at will, but people seem to forget or disregard that the few times Lesnar has been tagged in the face it’s completely thrown him off his game, and he still hasn’t been tagged flush in the nose/mouth/eye/etc.

Right before Mir threw that absurd jumping knee he landed a few glancing blows and Lesnar lost where he was. Same thing with Couture. He’s not making opponents change their strategies or anything, they’re just tossin’ a few at him and stopping. Maybe they’re just “testing the waters” and not risking getting taken down? Either way, as soon as we see Lesnar take a serious shot [or shots] and still fight his fight I’m not jumping on his bandwagon as most seem to do.

You’re not jumping on his bandwagon because he hasn’t been properly tested on his feet? Is that what you’re saying? A better question would be why is it he has not been tested on his feet (as you say) after meeting some excellent opponents? When you have the wrestling skills of Brock Lesnar other fighters are more careful in how they approach you. If this was simply a boxing match then he’d probably have lost on his feet by now, but it isn’t and he will keep winning.

It’s nice that Mir would like to take on Lesnar again, but he doesn’t have much of a chance of beating him. Lesnar will only get better from here. He’s already shown growth by staying tight on Mir on the ground, not allowing Mir to create space to set up a JJ submission.

I agree with those who have said that a Mir/Nog rematch would be a far more interesting fight.

He knocked them down but apparently can’t knock anyone out. It’s like getting slapped with a bear paw. I already addressed that it’s not that Lesnar nullifies his opponents stand-up, it’s that his opponents seem to abondon the stand-up before they ever commit to it. What I’m saying is I want to see his chin tested before I champion him as this unbeatable super hulk as so many on this site and elsewhere are so fond of doing. The level of Brock nut-huggery is reaching a nauseating level.

you’re Mir nuthugger.

Brock beat the crap out of him that 2nd time, and there was nothing he could do but get hit and not die. and i have yet to see why people keep talking about Nog’s standup…he gets hit in the face. a lot.

i do think Carwin is a good test for Brock, but i think Kongo is a bad matchup for Mir. i think we’ll be seeing Brock-Kongo in not too long…[/quote]

I’m surprised you could type all that with Lesnar’s piece in your hand. How many unanswered shots did Lesnar land and still not knock Mir out? If you gotta take his piece outta your mouth to answer I can wait. I’m watching football so take your time.

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
cycobushmaster wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Mir will be the better striker everytime. While Lesnar can obviously improve his stand up, he just doesn’t seem to flow when he throws a punch. He just doesn’t have “it”. He’s stiff, choppy and pushes his punch.

You are correct, but even so he knocked down Heath Herring and Randy Couture with one very stiff, choppy, but powerful punch.

Lesnar can obviously take Mir [and everyone else thus far] down at will, but people seem to forget or disregard that the few times Lesnar has been tagged in the face it’s completely thrown him off his game, and he still hasn’t been tagged flush in the nose/mouth/eye/etc.

Right before Mir threw that absurd jumping knee he landed a few glancing blows and Lesnar lost where he was. Same thing with Couture. He’s not making opponents change their strategies or anything, they’re just tossin’ a few at him and stopping. Maybe they’re just “testing the waters” and not risking getting taken down? Either way, as soon as we see Lesnar take a serious shot [or shots] and still fight his fight I’m not jumping on his bandwagon as most seem to do.

You’re not jumping on his bandwagon because he hasn’t been properly tested on his feet? Is that what you’re saying? A better question would be why is it he has not been tested on his feet (as you say) after meeting some excellent opponents? When you have the wrestling skills of Brock Lesnar other fighters are more careful in how they approach you. If this was simply a boxing match then he’d probably have lost on his feet by now, but it isn’t and he will keep winning.

It’s nice that Mir would like to take on Lesnar again, but he doesn’t have much of a chance of beating him. Lesnar will only get better from here. He’s already shown growth by staying tight on Mir on the ground, not allowing Mir to create space to set up a JJ submission.

I agree with those who have said that a Mir/Nog rematch would be a far more interesting fight.

He knocked them down but apparently can’t knock anyone out. It’s like getting slapped with a bear paw. I already addressed that it’s not that Lesnar nullifies his opponents stand-up, it’s that his opponents seem to abondon the stand-up before they ever commit to it. What I’m saying is I want to see his chin tested before I champion him as this unbeatable super hulk as so many on this site and elsewhere are so fond of doing. The level of Brock nut-huggery is reaching a nauseating level.

you’re Mir nuthugger.

Brock beat the crap out of him that 2nd time, and there was nothing he could do but get hit and not die. and i have yet to see why people keep talking about Nog’s standup…he gets hit in the face. a lot.

i do think Carwin is a good test for Brock, but i think Kongo is a bad matchup for Mir. i think we’ll be seeing Brock-Kongo in not too long…

Kongo would probably have to wait awhile. Looks like Nog is next and they certainly seem to be keeping Velasquez in queue. Assuming he gets past Mir, he probably has two more fights against top guys before getting a shot. If one of those is a wrestler, he’s screwed.[/quote]

God, that would be a terrible match-up for Kongo. Velasquez took him down at will and he’s basiclly a smaller Lesnar. Kongo’s only shot would be to drop a quitter, but he doesn’t seem to have that ko power and does his work through accumulative damage. Kongo/Mir could be pretty good though.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
cycobushmaster wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Mir will be the better striker everytime. While Lesnar can obviously improve his stand up, he just doesn’t seem to flow when he throws a punch. He just doesn’t have “it”. He’s stiff, choppy and pushes his punch.

You are correct, but even so he knocked down Heath Herring and Randy Couture with one very stiff, choppy, but powerful punch.

Lesnar can obviously take Mir [and everyone else thus far] down at will, but people seem to forget or disregard that the few times Lesnar has been tagged in the face it’s completely thrown him off his game, and he still hasn’t been tagged flush in the nose/mouth/eye/etc.

Right before Mir threw that absurd jumping knee he landed a few glancing blows and Lesnar lost where he was. Same thing with Couture. He’s not making opponents change their strategies or anything, they’re just tossin’ a few at him and stopping. Maybe they’re just “testing the waters” and not risking getting taken down? Either way, as soon as we see Lesnar take a serious shot [or shots] and still fight his fight I’m not jumping on his bandwagon as most seem to do.

You’re not jumping on his bandwagon because he hasn’t been properly tested on his feet? Is that what you’re saying? A better question would be why is it he has not been tested on his feet (as you say) after meeting some excellent opponents? When you have the wrestling skills of Brock Lesnar other fighters are more careful in how they approach you. If this was simply a boxing match then he’d probably have lost on his feet by now, but it isn’t and he will keep winning.

It’s nice that Mir would like to take on Lesnar again, but he doesn’t have much of a chance of beating him. Lesnar will only get better from here. He’s already shown growth by staying tight on Mir on the ground, not allowing Mir to create space to set up a JJ submission.

I agree with those who have said that a Mir/Nog rematch would be a far more interesting fight.

He knocked them down but apparently can’t knock anyone out. It’s like getting slapped with a bear paw. I already addressed that it’s not that Lesnar nullifies his opponents stand-up, it’s that his opponents seem to abondon the stand-up before they ever commit to it. What I’m saying is I want to see his chin tested before I champion him as this unbeatable super hulk as so many on this site and elsewhere are so fond of doing. The level of Brock nut-huggery is reaching a nauseating level.

you’re Mir nuthugger.

Brock beat the crap out of him that 2nd time, and there was nothing he could do but get hit and not die. and i have yet to see why people keep talking about Nog’s standup…he gets hit in the face. a lot.

i do think Carwin is a good test for Brock, but i think Kongo is a bad matchup for Mir. i think we’ll be seeing Brock-Kongo in not too long…

I’m surprised you could type all that with Lesnar fucking your face. How many unanswered shots did Lesnar land and still not knock Mir out? If you gotta take his piece outta your mouth to answer I can wait. I’m watching football so take your time.[/quote]

Man this is just painful. What unanswered shots? The arm punches from on top in the first round? Yeah he was really in a possition to land ko shots there. Did he look like he was trying to finish him?

Brock lands as many unanwered shots on Mir as he wanted to and Brock is the one that sucks. Yep, Mir should have won that fight. If only he had followed his game plan. More like if only Brock would have folled Mir’s gameplan.

You really are tiresome and so are your views of Lesnar and Mir. The more you post on this particular subject, the more you look like an ass.

You also seem to have some sort of fetish with Lesnar’s genitals. I wasn’t a pysch major but I believe you may be projecting your fantasies on all of those you accuse of having Lesnar’s genitals in and around their mouths.

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
drewh wrote:
Frank Mir Workout - Inside Look - YouTube Mir working the weights with Mark.

Didn’t see anything heavy?[/quote]

You gotta walk before you can run.

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
cycobushmaster wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Mir will be the better striker everytime. While Lesnar can obviously improve his stand up, he just doesn’t seem to flow when he throws a punch. He just doesn’t have “it”. He’s stiff, choppy and pushes his punch.

You are correct, but even so he knocked down Heath Herring and Randy Couture with one very stiff, choppy, but powerful punch.

Lesnar can obviously take Mir [and everyone else thus far] down at will, but people seem to forget or disregard that the few times Lesnar has been tagged in the face it’s completely thrown him off his game, and he still hasn’t been tagged flush in the nose/mouth/eye/etc.

Right before Mir threw that absurd jumping knee he landed a few glancing blows and Lesnar lost where he was. Same thing with Couture. He’s not making opponents change their strategies or anything, they’re just tossin’ a few at him and stopping. Maybe they’re just “testing the waters” and not risking getting taken down? Either way, as soon as we see Lesnar take a serious shot [or shots] and still fight his fight I’m not jumping on his bandwagon as most seem to do.

You’re not jumping on his bandwagon because he hasn’t been properly tested on his feet? Is that what you’re saying? A better question would be why is it he has not been tested on his feet (as you say) after meeting some excellent opponents? When you have the wrestling skills of Brock Lesnar other fighters are more careful in how they approach you. If this was simply a boxing match then he’d probably have lost on his feet by now, but it isn’t and he will keep winning.

It’s nice that Mir would like to take on Lesnar again, but he doesn’t have much of a chance of beating him. Lesnar will only get better from here. He’s already shown growth by staying tight on Mir on the ground, not allowing Mir to create space to set up a JJ submission.

I agree with those who have said that a Mir/Nog rematch would be a far more interesting fight.

He knocked them down but apparently can’t knock anyone out. It’s like getting slapped with a bear paw. I already addressed that it’s not that Lesnar nullifies his opponents stand-up, it’s that his opponents seem to abondon the stand-up before they ever commit to it. What I’m saying is I want to see his chin tested before I champion him as this unbeatable super hulk as so many on this site and elsewhere are so fond of doing. The level of Brock nut-huggery is reaching a nauseating level.

you’re Mir nuthugger.

Brock beat the crap out of him that 2nd time, and there was nothing he could do but get hit and not die. and i have yet to see why people keep talking about Nog’s standup…he gets hit in the face. a lot.

i do think Carwin is a good test for Brock, but i think Kongo is a bad matchup for Mir. i think we’ll be seeing Brock-Kongo in not too long…

I’m surprised you could type all that with Lesnar fucking your face. How many unanswered shots did Lesnar land and still not knock Mir out? If you gotta take his piece outta your mouth to answer I can wait. I’m watching football so take your time.

Man this is just painful. What unanswered shots? The arm punches from on top in the first round? Yeah he was really in a possition to land ko shots there. Did he look like he was trying to finish him?

Brock lands as many unanwered shots on Mir as he wanted to and Brock is the one that sucks. Yep, Mir should have won that fight. If only he had followed his game plan. More like if only Brock would have folled Mir’s gameplan.

You really are tiresome and so are your views of Lesnar and Mir. The more you post on this particular subject, the more you look like an ass.

You also seem to have some sort of fetish with Lesnar’s genitals. I wasn’t a pysch major but I believe you may be projecting your fantasies on all of those you accuse of having Lesnar’s genitals in and around their mouths.
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Dude, for the last time if Mir would’ve stuck to his gameplan he woulda won. It’s that simple dipshit. You making excuses for Lesnar now? Of course he was trying to finish him numbnuts. His attempts were a step-up from his usual retard having a seizure slaps he’s become famous for, but not much. The second round Mir threw the jumping knee, missed and landed on his back and Lesnar mongo’d him until the ref stopped it. Those were cleaner and more of 'em, and he still couldn’t ko him. So your boy calls me a nuthugger and I make a joke at his expense and you bring up psych class and fellatio and you claim I’m projecting? Might wanna look into that.

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[quote]drewh wrote:
dhickey wrote:
drewh wrote:
Frank Mir Workout - Inside Look - YouTube Mir working the weights with Mark.

Didn’t see anything heavy?

You gotta walk before you can run.[/quote]

agreed. It was only a snapshot as well. Mir has always been pretty thick through the ass an legs, so I assume he can squat more than 275 for reps.

Was hoping to see some heavy stuff and hoping he hired Phillipi to focus on strenght and not just general MMA S&C.

This is just a general observation of MMA S&C based on the limited info I have seen. It seems there is usually a large focus on energy systems work and not much on limit strength. This is probably the right approach for most people at or near the weight limit in their class. I question this approach when it comes to training for someone much larger and stronger than you.

Mir isn’t going to face Lesnar again anytime soon, but if he thinks he needs to narrow the gap in size and/or strength, he needs to start focusing on it soon. The size and strenght advantage ceases to be a valid excuse if you choose not to take the necessary steps to nulify it.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
dhickey wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
cycobushmaster wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Mir will be the better striker everytime. While Lesnar can obviously improve his stand up, he just doesn’t seem to flow when he throws a punch. He just doesn’t have “it”. He’s stiff, choppy and pushes his punch.

You are correct, but even so he knocked down Heath Herring and Randy Couture with one very stiff, choppy, but powerful punch.

Lesnar can obviously take Mir [and everyone else thus far] down at will, but people seem to forget or disregard that the few times Lesnar has been tagged in the face it’s completely thrown him off his game, and he still hasn’t been tagged flush in the nose/mouth/eye/etc.

Right before Mir threw that absurd jumping knee he landed a few glancing blows and Lesnar lost where he was. Same thing with Couture. He’s not making opponents change their strategies or anything, they’re just tossin’ a few at him and stopping. Maybe they’re just “testing the waters” and not risking getting taken down? Either way, as soon as we see Lesnar take a serious shot [or shots] and still fight his fight I’m not jumping on his bandwagon as most seem to do.

You’re not jumping on his bandwagon because he hasn’t been properly tested on his feet? Is that what you’re saying? A better question would be why is it he has not been tested on his feet (as you say) after meeting some excellent opponents? When you have the wrestling skills of Brock Lesnar other fighters are more careful in how they approach you. If this was simply a boxing match then he’d probably have lost on his feet by now, but it isn’t and he will keep winning.

It’s nice that Mir would like to take on Lesnar again, but he doesn’t have much of a chance of beating him. Lesnar will only get better from here. He’s already shown growth by staying tight on Mir on the ground, not allowing Mir to create space to set up a JJ submission.

I agree with those who have said that a Mir/Nog rematch would be a far more interesting fight.

He knocked them down but apparently can’t knock anyone out. It’s like getting slapped with a bear paw. I already addressed that it’s not that Lesnar nullifies his opponents stand-up, it’s that his opponents seem to abondon the stand-up before they ever commit to it. What I’m saying is I want to see his chin tested before I champion him as this unbeatable super hulk as so many on this site and elsewhere are so fond of doing. The level of Brock nut-huggery is reaching a nauseating level.

you’re Mir nuthugger.

Brock beat the crap out of him that 2nd time, and there was nothing he could do but get hit and not die. and i have yet to see why people keep talking about Nog’s standup…he gets hit in the face. a lot.

i do think Carwin is a good test for Brock, but i think Kongo is a bad matchup for Mir. i think we’ll be seeing Brock-Kongo in not too long…

I’m surprised you could type all that with Lesnar fucking your face. How many unanswered shots did Lesnar land and still not knock Mir out? If you gotta take his piece outta your mouth to answer I can wait. I’m watching football so take your time.

Man this is just painful. What unanswered shots? The arm punches from on top in the first round? Yeah he was really in a possition to land ko shots there. Did he look like he was trying to finish him?

Brock lands as many unanwered shots on Mir as he wanted to and Brock is the one that sucks. Yep, Mir should have won that fight. If only he had followed his game plan. More like if only Brock would have folled Mir’s gameplan.

You really are tiresome and so are your views of Lesnar and Mir. The more you post on this particular subject, the more you look like an ass.

You also seem to have some sort of fetish with Lesnar’s genitals. I wasn’t a pysch major but I believe you may be projecting your fantasies on all of those you accuse of having Lesnar’s genitals in and around their mouths.

Dude, for the last time if Mir would’ve stuck to his gameplan he woulda won. It’s that simple dipshit. You making excuses for Lesnar now? Of course he was trying to finish him numbnuts. His attempts were a step-up from his usual retard having a seizure slaps he’s become famous for, but not much. The second round Mir threw the jumping knee, missed and landed on his back and Lesnar mongo’d him until the ref stopped it. Those were cleaner and more of 'em, and he still couldn’t ko him. So your boy calls me a nuthugger and I make a joke at his expense and you bring up psych class and fellatio and you claim I’m projecting? Might wanna look into that.[/quote]

what was his game plan?

and if you don’t mind, grow up and knock off the bullshit calling everyone else here this or that. we’re debating, but you seem to be taking this personal. trust me, this is about as anonymous as it can get. show some damn respect.

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
drewh wrote:
dhickey wrote:
drewh wrote:
Frank Mir Workout - Inside Look - YouTube Mir working the weights with Mark.

Didn’t see anything heavy?

You gotta walk before you can run.

agreed. It was only a snapshot as well. Mir has always been pretty thick through the ass an legs, so I assume he can squat more than 275 for reps.

Was hoping to see some heavy stuff and hoping he hired Phillipi to focus on strenght and not just general MMA S&C.

This is just a general observation of MMA S&C based on the limited info I have seen. It seems there is usually a large focus on energy systems work and not much on limit strength. This is probably the right approach for most people at or near the weight limit in their class. I question this approach when it comes to training for someone much larger and stronger than you.

Mir isn’t going to face Lesnar again anytime soon, but if he thinks he needs to narrow the gap in size and/or strength, he needs to start focusing on it soon. The size and strenght advantage ceases to be a valid excuse if you choose not to take the necessary steps to nulify it.[/quote]

IMO, he can’t do anything to really narrow the gap strength-wise. i think his best bet is to have far superior conditioning and movement, but he hasn’t seem to implement that quite yet.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Dude, for the last time if Mir would’ve stuck to his gameplan he woulda won. It’s that simple dipshit.
[/quote]
For the last time, this is just ridiculous speculation. He got taken down three times in two rounds and spent a majority of the time on his back getting pounded. Completely dominated. Worse than Heath Herring or Couture.

I point out what did happen. You fanticise about what you wish would have happend. Lesnar finished the fight, Mir lost, and I am making excuses?

Was he trying to finish Heath Herring? Would anyone else have finished it from that exact same possition?

Another impartial assessment. Congrats.

He also got taken down twice while not throwing a jumping knee.

Wait, he didn’t finish him in the second? Also look at the possition he was in. Was it the same? Was he able to put more power into the last few that finished the fight? Regardless of what happened in the first, he showed that he is powerful enough to pound someone out by…well pounding him out. But I guess that doesn’t count because it wasn’t part of Mir’s gameplan?

I think its a valid assertion based on the number of posts you mention Lesnar’s privates. “Thou dust protest too much”…or something like that.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Mir will be the better striker everytime. While Lesnar can obviously improve his stand up, he just doesn’t seem to flow when he throws a punch. He just doesn’t have “it”. He’s stiff, choppy and pushes his punch.

You are correct, but even so he knocked down Heath Herring and Randy Couture with one very stiff, choppy, but powerful punch.

Lesnar can obviously take Mir [and everyone else thus far] down at will, but people seem to forget or disregard that the few times Lesnar has been tagged in the face it’s completely thrown him off his game, and he still hasn’t been tagged flush in the nose/mouth/eye/etc.

Right before Mir threw that absurd jumping knee he landed a few glancing blows and Lesnar lost where he was. Same thing with Couture. He’s not making opponents change their strategies or anything, they’re just tossin’ a few at him and stopping. Maybe they’re just “testing the waters” and not risking getting taken down? Either way, as soon as we see Lesnar take a serious shot [or shots] and still fight his fight I’m not jumping on his bandwagon as most seem to do.

You’re not jumping on his bandwagon because he hasn’t been properly tested on his feet? Is that what you’re saying? A better question would be why is it he has not been tested on his feet (as you say) after meeting some excellent opponents? When you have the wrestling skills of Brock Lesnar other fighters are more careful in how they approach you. If this was simply a boxing match then he’d probably have lost on his feet by now, but it isn’t and he will keep winning.

It’s nice that Mir would like to take on Lesnar again, but he doesn’t have much of a chance of beating him. Lesnar will only get better from here. He’s already shown growth by staying tight on Mir on the ground, not allowing Mir to create space to set up a JJ submission.

I agree with those who have said that a Mir/Nog rematch would be a far more interesting fight.

He knocked them down but apparently can’t knock anyone out. [/quote]

Is that really what you’ve walked away with from this? Maybe your hate for the man is coloring your viewpoint. Keep in mind that some fighters can punch people all day long and not knock them down. But, you’re actually complaining that, with one punch, he was not able to knock them out? I’d say he has some very awesome power wouldn’t you?

Bad example, no one wants to fight a bear.

I’d say Randy was pretty committed to standing with Brock, and what happened? If some opponents seem overly cautious it’s because Lesnar has a very serious take down and they know that if it goes to the ground Lesnar will win, faster.

Just as I thought you don’t like the guy. Fair enough. But, you cannot deny the many talents he brings into the cage. I’m sure you’re not one of the haters who say “he only wins because he’s big”.

  1. Size and power.

  2. Incredible speed especially for a very large man. On the mat he seems to move like a welter weight.

  3. Punching power, Randy and Heath didn’t trip. Granted they were not knocked out, but then again he’s nt even had 10 fights yet.

  4. His ability to adapt and grow. Big difference between the Lesnar that fought Mir the first time and the Lesnar that fought him the second time around.

  5. Attitude, he knows he’s good and carries the confidence of a champion.

  6. Incredible Wrestling ability, best in the nation winning an NCAA title and compiling an amazing collegiate record.

Hey, like I’ve said in other threads I don’t like Lesnar for his over the top antics, but I cannot deny that he is very good at what he does, and you shouldn’t either.