[quote]blue_star_cadet wrote:
I wasn’t clear enough earlier - I fenced at the high school level while in eight grade my first year, so I’m a junior. I’m 15 as well, I’m not really sure where that guy got 17 from. This means I don’t need to eat a shit-ton, just keep lifting and start running or whatever?
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You are a 15 year-old boy, you should be eating quite a bit regardless, and even more if you are working out. But no, I would not recommend an all out bulk. Just eat those 4-5 meals a day and eat until you are full. It is much simpler than you are making it out to be.
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How long can you expect to stay on Rippetoes and see gains? I’ve heard everything from 3 months to 9 months, does it average out for most people around 5 or 6? Thank you for answering all my questions.[/quote]
Check out the Starting Strength: The Guide thread on this page. The wiki site for it is very informative. I’m not that familiar with Rippetoes, but I know the basics of it. I started out doing similar type programs.
It would be impossible for me to guess how long you will make newb gains, but I know he has alterations to the program that you can make after a certain point.
It’s that ‘shit shit shit if I get fat I can’t get with girls’ kind of thing teenagers you have. You know.
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Big difference between being a fat kid who’s out of shape and someone carrying a little extra weight with a significant amount of muscle. The difference is night and day.
[quote]tedro wrote:
\You are a 15 year-old boy, you should be eating quite a bit regardless, and even more if you are working out. But no, I would not recommend an all out bulk. Just eat those 4-5 meals a day and eat until you are full. It is much simpler than you are making it out to be.
Check out the Starting Strength: The Guide thread on this page. The wiki site for it is very informative. I’m not that familiar with Rippetoes, but I know the basics of it. I started out doing similar type programs.
It would be impossible for me to guess how long you will make newb gains, but I know he has alterations to the program that you can make after a certain point.
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My copy of SS arrived the other day, I’m definitely going to start reading once I can find time. I’ve been eating 4-5 meals a day, but my intake is probably somewhat on the low side now, not a huge appetite and my family naturally has pretty slow metabolisms. If it’s unlikely I’m going to put on a ton of muscle within the next two/three years, it’s okay to start running again, right? I figure if I’m not seeing much in the way of mass gains I may as well try and slim down a bit now.
Thank you for all of the advice, you’ve been really clear and helpful. Really appreciate it.
[quote]pachell wrote:
Big difference between being a fat kid who’s out of shape and someone carrying a little extra weight with a significant amount of muscle. The difference is night and day.
Look at this pic (two different people):
EDIT: I didn’t add the third nipple.[/quote]
I can’t really tell if the fat guy is actually muscular or not - is he? It’s just sort of awkward for me because I’m sort of skinny-fat - not a lot of muscle, but not that much fat either (unless you are Poliquin, I’m 14-16% BF) so it just looks kind of awkward. I have little man-boobs and my stomach sticks out if I sit down and lean forward, but if I stretch upward or to the side my ribs are sort of visible.
Big difference between being a fat kid who’s out of shape and someone carrying a little extra weight with a significant amount of muscle. The difference is night and day.
Look at this pic (two different people):
EDIT: I didn’t add the third nipple.
I can’t really tell if the fat guy is actually muscular or not - is he? It’s just sort of awkward for me because I’m sort of skinny-fat - not a lot of muscle, but not that much fat either (unless you are Poliquin, I’m 14-16% BF) so it just looks kind of awkward. I have little man-boobs and my stomach sticks out if I sit down and lean forward, but if I stretch upward or to the side my ribs are sort of visible.
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He’s not a “fat guy”, he’s probably bigger than 90% of the readers on T-Nation.
The point was when you add muscle and some fat, it doesn’t look bad whatsoever.
Quit over-analyzing and lift, eat, sleep.
Quit over-analyzing and lift, eat, sleep.
Quit over-analyzing and lift, eat, sleep.
Bodybuilders are like economists: put 20 of us an in a room and you’ll find 20 different opinions/strategies.
Did I mention you should quit over-analyzing and lift, eat, sleep?
You’re NOT “fat”, not at all, you’re skinny as hell.
If you don't break a sweat and get your shirt a bit wet. Your lifting was half-assed.
Learn to get maximum contraction and quality rep first. You have zero time to philosophize. Eat lots more protein, carbs when it is most important, and pour on the vegetables. GOGOGO! THIS IS NOT A DRILL!
oh and ~ STFU AND LIFT.
but if you want extra…
Well you can progressively add some more weight each set. Make sure your form and technique are spot on and you can feel the contraction in your target muscle. Learning to mentally focus during your lifts from the moment you begin any exercise to the moment you wrap things up for the day. That is where you need to apply your mind the most. Get to work!
Wow, I was bad but this kid is horrible. How many threads will it take for you to understand that at your age you need to be eating a lot of healthy food and busting your ass in the gym. I would go as far as saying…fuck any program. Go into the gym and just beat the shit out of your muscles.
Lift until you feel like you have no more energy left. Squat, dead-lift, kill you biceps with a shit load of curls, bench e.t.c.(with good form). Why do you have to have someone agreeing with your “plan”??..get the fuck out and DO it instead of planning and planning. If you are going to keep like this just quit.
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
Wow, I was bad but this kid is horrible. How many threads will it take for you to understand that at your age you need to be eating a lot of healthy food and busting your ass in the gym. I would go as far as saying…fuck any program. Go into the gym and just beat the shit out of your muscles.
Lift until you feel like you have no more energy left. Squat, dead-lift, kill you biceps with a shit load of curls, bench e.t.c.(with good form). Why do you have to have someone agreeing with your “plan”??..get the fuck out and DO it instead of planning and planning. If you are going to keep like this just quit.[/quote]
What the fuck do you know? You’re not watching me lift, you’re not following me every time I head to the gym and checking my numbers. I never said I stopped lifting, at any point, or stopped eating healthy - I fucking staggered home on Friday after tearing the shit out of my quads and back, carrying a 50-lb pack. I lift every Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I’ve been adding weight every workout and my deadlift and squats have more than doubled since I started this program - I never stopped lifting at any point. Asking people for EXTRA shit to improve myself is over-analyzing, checking to make sure I’m not doing anything retarded is stupid? Fuck you.
Are you running to try and lose weight, or running because you like to run?[/quote]
If I started back up, it would be somewhere from two to four miles a day. I’m not particularly fast (I used to do something like a seven-and-a-half minute mile) and I’ve probably slowed down since I haven’t run consistently in months. Time wouldn’t allow me to go much past that.
I would be lying if I said I wasn’t hoping to get some fat burn out of it, and if I said I loved running and wanted to for the joy of it. I used to hate running, but I also hate pull-ups and I try and do those two.
It’s just that it would be a relatively convenient and quick way to get in that extra exercise you mentioned - time is pretty limited due to schoolwork (I need to spend less time on here) and most people have their own work or other factors that stops them from a pick-up game of basketball or something. One person, very little equipment, sounds like it would work. Only physical concern I can think of would be knees (running in addition to 3x squats a week), but is there something about that that could affect my lifts?
[quote]blue_star_cadet wrote:
ronaldo7 wrote:
Wow, I was bad but this kid is horrible. How many threads will it take for you to understand that at your age you need to be eating a lot of healthy food and busting your ass in the gym. I would go as far as saying…fuck any program. Go into the gym and just beat the shit out of your muscles.
Lift until you feel like you have no more energy left. Squat, dead-lift, kill you biceps with a shit load of curls, bench e.t.c.(with good form). Why do you have to have someone agreeing with your “plan”??..get the fuck out and DO it instead of planning and planning. If you are going to keep like this just quit.
What the fuck do you know? You’re not watching me lift, you’re not following me every time I head to the gym and checking my numbers. I never said I stopped lifting, at any point, or stopped eating healthy - I fucking staggered home on Friday after tearing the shit out of my quads and back, carrying a 50-lb pack. I lift every Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I’ve been adding weight every workout and my deadlift and squats have more than doubled since I started this program - I never stopped lifting at any point. Asking people for EXTRA shit to improve myself is over-analyzing, checking to make sure I’m not doing anything retarded is stupid? Fuck you.[/quote]
Big words for a little man. Keep asking random people if “your knees will be beat up from running and squatting” instead of just going out and trying it your-self and seeing how your body reacts. Good luck anyway.
Are you running to try and lose weight, or running because you like to run?
If I started back up, it would be somewhere from two to four miles a day. I’m not particularly fast (I used to do something like a seven-and-a-half minute mile) and I’ve probably slowed down since I haven’t run consistently in months. Time wouldn’t allow me to go much past that.
I would be lying if I said I wasn’t hoping to get some fat burn out of it, and if I said I loved running and wanted to for the joy of it. I used to hate running, but I also hate pull-ups and I try and do those two.
It’s just that it would be a relatively convenient and quick way to get in that extra exercise you mentioned - time is pretty limited due to schoolwork (I need to spend less time on here) and most people have their own work or other factors that stops them from a pick-up game of basketball or something. One person, very little equipment, sounds like it would work. Only physical concern I can think of would be knees (running in addition to 3x squats a week), but is there something about that that could affect my lifts?[/quote]
If you were to say you enjoyed running I would have gone and said to go ahead and keep doing it. Since you admit you don’t like, what’s the point? Train like the people you want to look like. If all you want is to be a skinny distance runner, then there you go. If you want to look like an athlete and build the potential to put on some serious muscle later, that distance running is only a detriment.
Do everything I have laid out and don’t worry about the scale. Your body comp will have no choice but to improve, and it will improve at a much faster rate. The only running you should be doing is the stuff I said before. Short sprints, up to 400m at the longest. Run two sets of 10 40 yard sprints, 10 seconds between each 40, 10 minutes between sets. 12-200’s is another good workout. A couple hundred yard ladders (5 yard increments) is a good grueling one, too.
You’re still trying to overcomplicate this and think your way out of it. Quit. The only way you will achieve any of your goals is through hard work. We can lay out hundreds of obsessively detailed plans and I guarantee the one that works the best is the one that YOU work the hardest at.
Dude your making the same mistake that I made in the past. Everybody posting here is trying to help you. Either take their advice, or waste your time. If you decide to waste time, im sure you will look back on yourself in a couple of years when you figure out the “big picture” and say FUCK FUCK IF I HAD DONE THIS FROM THE BEGINNING I WOULD BE HUGE! But at that point you will still be under 180 and have a few more wasted years under your belt.
Lift, sleep, eat until the scale moves. If it stops, add 500 calories. Count them if you have to. Bodyweight X 18-20.
I recommend you also read Practical Programming for Strength Training by Rippetoe and Kilgore. It tells you everything you need to know so you wont have to ask next time.
I’m going to stop reading this thread and asking for advice and not worry about fat gains unless I get fucking huge in that bad way. This is my pitfall and I need to avoid it for good. Thank you to everyone for the advice, I’ll post back once I’m ‘swole.’
