[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
Its not the calories dude, not even close. Its the damage it does to your body, and most important your testosterone levels. Considering this freaking site is dedicated to that very hormone, I really don’t understand why you would go about and destroy the one very thing that defines you as a man - your testosterone. [/quote]
You are quite the drama queen.
bro, you have to decide what is more worthwhile, having fun or getting shredded. I am in my senior of college and alcohol has never been a problem simply because getting jacked is far more important to me than having a “good time”. You need to put it in your mind that the gym is more important and not give in. If drinking is more important to you like it is for most than thats fine its your decision. If your gonna drink have a few beers and end it or forget about making any gains, its that simple.
[quote]T-Islander wrote:
Be nice is someone actually answered his fucking question, instead of calling AA for them! Good lord.
So what, hes a college student. Most time the thats what you do in college, so get over it. When he graduates I doubt he’ll drink like that anyway.
He knows it isnt good, but its part of the social scene now and he just wants some advice. So give it to him. Leave the alcoholism chat for someone who needs it.[/quote]
I did give him advise – cut back on the drinking if he wants results. Otherwise, he can go and tip back another drink.
I went to one of the biggest party schools in the US and never came across anyone who went anywhere near 18 drinks 3 x/week. Whether other people do this or not, it’s still excessive.
It’s kind of silly worrying about bodybuilding gains when he has a far bigger issue to deal with.
Drink water while you’re drinking (and cut the light beer, for god’s sake). This will help minimize dehydration. After every 2 or 3 beers, drink some water. Before you go to bed, pop a multi-vitamin, this will help replace all the vitamins you’re pissing out.
DO NOT take Tylenol, combined eith alcohol, it’s hell on your liver. Stick with aspirin.
Brew your own beer. Much better for you and much better tasting. However, 8-18 per night for 3 nights is a bit much if you’re trying to get ripped. I did twice that when I was in college but I was a disgusting fatbody in the process.
[quote]ToShinDo wrote:
Drink water while you’re drinking (and cut the light beer, for god’s sake). This will help minimize dehydration. After every 2 or 3 beers, drink some water. Before you go to bed, pop a multi-vitamin, this will help replace all the vitamins you’re pissing out.
DO NOT take Tylenol, combined eith alcohol, it’s hell on your liver. Stick with aspirin.[/quote]
Vitamin’s a good tip. You won’t feel hungover the next day.
Great advice. Its actually what I do.
I live in the Caribbean and probably go out 2x a week on Avg. Friday night is a big night and people are BIG drinkers here. Some count by cases of beer rather than how many bottles. But its all good - Heineken.
Sorry, I dont like Light Beer.
What I basically do is drink water throughout the night. I pop one vitamin before going out, the usual fish oil etc etc vit C. When I come back in I take 3 plain old aspirin then pop another multivitamin - have something to eat (hopefully something good but who wants to cook that late) - then go to bed.
Thats about as close as I can get to safely managing alcohol. During the week Ill of course try to eat clean and workout.
I hate when people say to not even bother working out. I still believe you should workout and eat somewhat well, rather than sayin “Fuck it” cause you cant be a perfect angel on the weekends. That’ll just produce worse results.
[quote]ToShinDo wrote:
Drink water while you’re drinking (and cut the light beer, for god’s sake). This will help minimize dehydration. After every 2 or 3 beers, drink some water. Before you go to bed, pop a multi-vitamin, this will help replace all the vitamins you’re pissing out.
DO NOT take Tylenol, combined eith alcohol, it’s hell on your liver. Stick with aspirin.[/quote]
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
mike08042 wrote:
I dont see how people think 8-18 drinks 3 times a week= alcoholic.
You don’t think consuming fifty-four alcoholic drinks per week at the very least boarders on alcoholism?
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No. It’s all a matter of culture and frankly, the vast majority of the posts that have so far commented on this guy’s “alcoholism” smack of cluelessness.
A bench of 300 lbs seems absolutely inconceivable to the people I know. The fact that I can bench my bodyweight is something they cannot get their mind around - I’m “gifted genetically” and/or probably on “steroids or something”. Yet there isn’t a person on this site that would even blink at those totals, because we know.
I drink a lot and to quote Massif from another post because it summed it up really well, I’m good at it. I know bar culture, I know my drinks, I can control exactly how drunk I get, I can get slammed when I want and I can get up the next day. A good idea? Bleah, probably not. The healthiest thing I can do for myself? Definitely not. Completely in line with my goals of fitness and living healthy - fuck no. I’m not the definition of whole integrated living. However, I’m not giving it up, this site address one particular facet of my life, and not the whole story.
8-18 a night sounds about right for college, not a super heavy drinker and not a lightweight. Depending on what you do, you can put that away before noon on a Saturday if you’re so inclined and continue. That is not alcoholism. Alcoholism is somebody who cannot stop, and cannot function without alcohol. That’s not the same as someone who indulges when they feel like it. You may argue semantics but if you can’t see the difference, then you’re preaching from a point of ignorance. Quantity does not an alcoholic make, and I’m pretty fed up of people confusing the two issues.
mike - to answer your question directly.
Water is your friend, put away as much of it as possible immediately after. If you have to get up to piss during the night, down more. This will do more to alleviate damage than anything else.
I’m a big fan of food the next day, as much clean stuff as you can get inside you. Although you won’t want it, as soon as you get food inside you, it seems to start clearing out the system faster.
Someone talked about giving it up for 3 weeks - I take a month off every year. Pick a month where there’s nothing much going on and use that time to focus on other things. It must be a zero-tolerance policy, it’s a little weird at first but you find that there’s a lot of other things that you can spend time on. If you’re in college, use the month before exams and spend all your time studying.
For me, my month cleans out your system completely, highlights if there is any problem with drinking that you might not have been aware of and basically recenters your perspective. Start again with a guilt-free conscience immediately after.
I take extra vitamin C the next day.
And that’s all I’ve got.
Oh yeah, Chad Waterbury recommended taking milk thistle extract for your liver - I never have but if I could get it here, I’d do it.
For those who recommend vitamins and aspirin when they get back from a night of heavy drinking, I would not follow that advice. The reason being is that after you downed many drinks, your liver is already trying to get rid of the alcohol, so why would you pop aspirin or even a vitamin?
You do realize that these are processed through your liver and all it is doing is putting more pressure on it? It might make you feel better, but I would rather not take any chances, I usually stop drinking an hour or two before bed and get my hands on a big bottle of gatorade. and drink water after that if I am really liquored up. I wouldnt pop anything, even the next day, especially when I feel shaky from drinking the next day.
I tend to drink a large amount of tomato juice for the sodium and potassium, water and juice. The next day is perfect to eat clean. Alcoholism means you cannot feel normal without it, cannot function without it. It may be heavy occasional drinking, if that makes sense. I agree with the reasoning that you can be strict or not or somewhere in between with yourself. Everyone is different, all I know is that it limits your gains, either train hard and drink anyways and stop worrying or stop drinking as much.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
But I will say that my greatest gains were during periods of very minimal alcohol consumption. I also felt my best during those times.[/quote]
Agreed. Alcohol is a rapidly growing problem on campuses.
Hey, do what u want. Like I said, I always liked being a sober guy. Drunk people are just morons. they have zero game pulling chiks, and can’t fight worth a dam too.
I always found people that sit around at parties getting wasted, well, boring. I would rather go have some fun, talk some shit, score a couple numbers, cause a little havoc…You would be suprised at how easy it is to have a good time sober once you get used to it. I dunno, I always got into more trouble and had more fun that way. when i got wasted, all i wanted to do was eat junk food and lie around like an idiot…
[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
But I will say that my greatest gains were during periods of very minimal alcohol consumption. I also felt my best during those times.
Agreed. Alcohol is a rapidly growing problem on campuses.
Hey, do what u want. Like I said, I always liked being a sober guy. Drunk people are just morons. they have zero game pulling chiks, and can’t fight worth a dam too.
I always found people that sit around at parties getting wasted, well, boring. I would rather go have some fun, talk some shit, score a couple numbers, cause a little havoc…You would be suprised at how easy it is to have a good time sober once you get used to it. I dunno, I always got into more trouble and had more fun that way. when i got wasted, all i wanted to do was eat junk food and lie around like an idiot…[/quote]
I picked up more chicks pooched than you ever did straight.
Your post reeks of self rightousness.
You want to be a mormon, go right ahead, but to assume anyone that partakes is less than you is bs.
Alcohol is no more of a growing problem on campuses around the world than it ever has been. It’s a culture and it has long lasting effects on very few.
The theme of this thread cracks me up. Not long ago there was a 500 response thread on smoking pot and the majority chimes in with no problem. Its a phase most go through and come out of.
So go have your fun time sober–but you better hope it’s not a drunken sasquatch you run into and falsely believe he’s got no fight in him when he’s drunk.
[quote]The theme of this thread cracks me up. Not long ago there was a 500 response thread on smoking pot and the majority chimes in with no problem. Its a phase most go through and come out of.
So go have your fun time sober–but you better hope it’s not a drunken sasquatch you run into and falsely believe he’s got no fight in him when he’s drunk.[/quote]
Eh you aint gonna get any anti smoking sentiments out of me. I think its about a million times better to go smoke than it is to drink. I dont have a prob going out and havin a smoke or two. And contrary to popular belief, there are ZERO studies that show a correlation between pot and lower test levels (credit to prof x, who got me into investigating that)
Drunken people have plenty of fight in em, just not enough to beat me 
[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
But I will say that my greatest gains were during periods of very minimal alcohol consumption. I also felt my best during those times.
Agreed. Alcohol is a rapidly growing problem on campuses.
Hey, do what u want. Like I said, I always liked being a sober guy. Drunk people are just morons. they have zero game pulling chiks, and can’t fight worth a dam too.
I always found people that sit around at parties getting wasted, well, boring. I would rather go have some fun, talk some shit, score a couple numbers, cause a little havoc…You would be suprised at how easy it is to have a good time sober once you get used to it. I dunno, I always got into more trouble and had more fun that way. when i got wasted, all i wanted to do was eat junk food and lie around like an idiot…[/quote]
Well, that’s you though. Don’t generalize to the rest of the world. I can appreciate that you know what is best for yourself, though.
Hey man,
You’re only in College once, have a good time, I highly doubt you’re going to look back after getting a degree and say, “Wow, I really shouldn’t have partied that hard,” After this it’s grown up time, you’ve got 4 years to party like a rockstar, and the rest of your life to have a casual beer on the weekends.
As far as eating after drinking, it all depends on what you’re going for. I’ve always been under the impression that when you drink your body diverts your metabolism to burning off the alcohol, and even on drink is enough to kill your metabolism for hours. (I remember that from the Atkins book, and a nutritionist that I saw give a presentation).
So I’ve always gone with the “if you’re going to get wet you might as well go swimming” approach.
I always thought it was crap myself but, I’ve had a few friends that swore by Rye and Diet Coke, and really felt that it was a good choice… I also think Rye doesn’t have many carbohyrdates, although I believe it also has a few calories.
A lot of guys I played hockey with also told me two days of binge drinking would set me back three days in my workout.
It’s a big contradiction to be a serious lifter/athlete, and go out and get hammered, But, seriously, it would be much, much worse it you didn’t work out at all. Don’t give up lifting just cause it makes no sense.
Just remember school is about the degree first, and to do homework on those days your brutally hungover.
Cheers
Mat
[quote]karva wrote:
I forgot to add, follow this regimen at your own risk. Tou might become a real pro.[/quote]
Thanks for posting a real suggestion. Someone else posted a similar thread and much like this one, it was all about telling the guy what a problem he had and how he was chosing weakness over physique. Some of us out there like to have a balance in life between Working out and enjoying a football or hockey game with some beers.
Also, College is about drinking and sex (maybe a little education). Enjoy it while you have the metabolism!
multi vitamin, essential fats, and plenty of water or gatorade. fluids should limit the dehydration a bit…
The best thing I have found for reducing hangovers and better performance the next day is something called milk thistle. It is essentially a herb and you take a couple of tablets a day and if you are going out, take two just before you drink and two when you get back home before you go to sleep. It has made a hell of a difference to my sleep after drinking and how i feel the next day.
Indra
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
liver protection supplements= minimizing the damage.
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Rockscar
Do you mean somthing like R-A-L-A ?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
liver protection supplements= minimizing the damage.
Rockscar
Do you mean somthing like R-A-L-A ?[/quote]
Yes, if it’s the herbal stuff that take toxins out of the liver. I use one called Himilaya. This is how I interpreted the problem…damage to the body, not just the mind the next day.
I find water and this helps me.