[quote]vikingrob wrote:
Can this be taken with dairy products(calcium)?[/quote]
Sure! No problem.
The chelation allows you to take the formulation with or without any type of food.
[quote]Professor Chaos wrote:
In Poliquin’s magnesium supplement description, he makes a big deal about using 4 different chelates. What’s the deal with this?
Does Biotest’s mineral product have a similar composition of magnesium chelates?[/quote]
Albion’s Magnesium Glycinate Chelate (which is used in ElitePro) is the form that can be used in the highest dosage without worrying about laxation.
(Laxation is a fancy word meaning that it doesn’t make you take a poop. That’s the problem with some of the other forms of magnesium.)
[quote]TShaw wrote:
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
I have to ask, is there a plot where you guys release new products immediately after I place an order? :D[/quote]
x2
I just placed an order for Flameout and Metabolic Drive Bars last night![/quote]
Heck, shipping’s free.
We’re the ones who should feel bad that you weren’t able to combine your order. That means we have to pay the shipping on two boxes instead of one!
A separate multi-vitamin supplement is still recommended?
I currently take a multi-vitamin that also contains Albion mineral chelates in the formula, which spreads the daily dose over 6 capsules. It contains all of the minerals in ELITEPRO with the only differences in those minerals being
*slightly less of the same form of magnesium chelate
*the exact same form and amount of selenium, chromium, and vanadium
*25mg zinc glycinate chelate (instead of the 30 mg of zinc arginate chelate found in Elite Pro)
Should I consider changing multi and starting to use this mineral formula instead of sticking with my current vitamin/mineral formula?
Other than slight differences in amount on two of the ingredients (and I’m guessing the fact that zinc arginate may be taken up preferentially by different tissues than zinc glycinate which may have some level of mild impact, I cannot tell if there’s any reason to dump my current multi, since it uses the same mineral chelates from Albion in comparable doses.
[quote]ThetfordMiner wrote:
I currently take a multi-vitamin that also contains Albion mineral chelates in the formula, which spreads the daily dose over 6 capsules. It contains all of the minerals in ELITEPRO with the only differences in those minerals being
*slightly less of the same form of magnesium chelate
*the exact same form and amount of selenium, chromium, and vanadium
*25mg zinc glycinate chelate (instead of the 30 mg of zinc arginate chelate found in Elite Pro)
Should I consider changing multi and starting to use this mineral formula instead of sticking with my current vitamin/mineral formula?
Other than slight differences in amount on two of the ingredients (and I’m guessing the fact that zinc arginate may be taken up preferentially by different tissues than zinc glycinate which may have some level of mild impact, I cannot tell if there’s any reason to dump my current multi, since it uses the same mineral chelates from Albion in comparable doses.[/quote]
Unless these are giant capsules, I find it hard to believe that the product you’re using contains everything claimed. We had a tough enough time getting the ELITEPRO Mineral Support daily dosage in 7 capsules as it is. There’s no way we could have included a full-spectrum vitamin formula in the same product and not significantly increased the quantity of capsules required.
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]ystarien wrote:
I was always under the impression that zinc and magnesium should be split. Zinc being best taken in the morning, and magnesium being best taken at night (specially after workouts).
Am I wrong?[/quote]
That hasn’t been the case. Our ZMA formula has always used zinc and magnesium together, as do all other similar formulations.
Besides, the chelation prevents any cross-reactivity.
Our recommendation is to take the formula at night, so that the magnesium can help you get a restful night’s sleep.[/quote]
Not to say that you are wrong at all as I have been taking ZMA for about a year or two and notice the difference when I forget.
But, I believe your very own CT currently takes Zinc in the morning and at lunch, and then Magnesium after his last workout of the day as well as before bed. His reasoning being the same as stated, that Zinc is better in the morning, Magnesium better at night. Would it maybe be a valid approach to take 3 caps after your workout (if you workout at the end of your day) and then 4 before bed??
Also, is it recommened about the same timing as ZMA, 30 mins or so before bed or is the digestion faster or slower??
Two questions,
- Why would the minerals exist in an electrical charged form? I mean, don’t they form ionic bonds with other elements naturally (to fulfill the octet)? Is your chelated supplement better because it chooses amino acids, which gives it better absorption?
Why this selection of minerals in the formulation? Are dietary calcium and potassium more freely bioavailable?
@Mondy: I can give a suggestion for the first question:
An element is always happy to exchange what it’s currently bonded with if it finds something better to attach to. For instance, substances which dissolve in water usually do so by forming ions. “Hard” water is hard because calcium carbonate and magnesium carbonate have separated into calcium ions, magnesium ions, and carbonate ions. Chelation is a really interesting situation where a bunch of other molecules form a kind of “nest” for whatever is chelated. They surround the substance and make a “home” for the chelated ion (or molecule) which is strongly preferred, from a chemical behavior standpoint.
[quote]ModernAlchemist wrote:
Why this selection of minerals in the formulation? Are dietary calcium and potassium more freely bioavailable?
[/quote]
The minerals we chose are the ones that appear to be depleted to some extent (and are not as readily available as potassium and calcium) after an athletic event/training.
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
I have to ask, is there a plot where you guys release new products immediately after I place an order?[/quote]
Is the ELITEPRO a new supplement line along the lines of SURGE, Metabolic Drive, or SPIKE?
Will this supplement work to help someone with an iron defeciency?
[quote]Professor Chaos wrote:
In Poliquin’s magnesium supplement description, he makes a big deal about using 4 different chelates. What’s the deal with this?
Does Biotest’s mineral product have a similar composition of magnesium chelates?[/quote]
I was wondering about this myself. I believe Poliquin says something about different forms of magnesium going to different types of tissues in the body. If this is true, could it be a disadvantage to have only one form in this formula?
[quote]Dont Want None wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]ystarien wrote:
I was always under the impression that zinc and magnesium should be split. Zinc being best taken in the morning, and magnesium being best taken at night (specially after workouts).
Am I wrong?[/quote]
That hasn’t been the case. Our ZMA formula has always used zinc and magnesium together, as do all other similar formulations.
Besides, the chelation prevents any cross-reactivity.
Our recommendation is to take the formula at night, so that the magnesium can help you get a restful night’s sleep.[/quote]
Not to say that you are wrong at all as I have been taking ZMA for about a year or two and notice the difference when I forget.
But, I believe your very own CT currently takes Zinc in the morning and at lunch, and then Magnesium after his last workout of the day as well as before bed. His reasoning being the same as stated, that Zinc is better in the morning, Magnesium better at night. Would it maybe be a valid approach to take 3 caps after your workout (if you workout at the end of your day) and then 4 before bed??
Also, is it recommened about the same timing as ZMA, 30 mins or so before bed or is the digestion faster or slower??[/quote]
Christian may have been concerned with potential cross-reactivity of the minerals.
However, you don’t have to worry about that with this formula. You really don’t need to break up the dosing. In fact, doing so MIGHT make you feel a little relaxed or drowsy in the middle of the day.
And yes, if you want to take advantage of Magnesium as a sleep aid, take it about 30 minutes before beddy-bye.
[quote]RedRaven wrote:
Will this supplement work to help someone with an iron defeciency?[/quote]
No, there’s no iron in it.
While iron deficiency is one of the most common mineral deficiencies, most men need to be careful about taking it as taking more than you need can cause a host of problems, many of them cardiovascular.
[quote]TrumpetMunkie wrote:
[quote]Professor Chaos wrote:
In Poliquin’s magnesium supplement description, he makes a big deal about using 4 different chelates. What’s the deal with this?
Does Biotest’s mineral product have a similar composition of magnesium chelates?[/quote]
I was wondering about this myself. I believe Poliquin says something about different forms of magnesium going to different types of tissues in the body. If this is true, could it be a disadvantage to have only one form in this formula?[/quote]
We haven’t found that to be the case (different forms going to different parts of the body).
Besides, as I mentioned, Albion’s Magnesium Glycinate Chelate (which is used in ElitePro) is the form that can be used in the highest dosage without worrying about laxation.
(Laxation is a fancy word meaning that it doesn’t make you take a poop. That’s the problem with some of the other forms of magnesium.)
Just grabbed a couple of bottles. I have to say I kind of agree with one comment, maybe this should be marketed as part of a basics bundle, cause it’s one of those things that seems like everyone should be taking anyway. I actually can’t wait to stack this with Z-12. I already take ZMA with Z-12 and its a potent combo. It seems like this would even enhance things even further.
Are you saying that magnesium in high doses generally causes constipation?
If so, I don’t see how that is. Calcium is supposed to cause that effect and magnesium is supposed to actually make you go.
Unless you meant that laxation means it DOES make you go.
Magnesium and Vit C in high doses are laxatives.
Please forgive my ignorance for the question, but if I currently take a multi-vitamin and mineral (one a day type), can I still take the ElitePro Mineral formulation without adverse side effects?
(similar to something like buildup of excess fat soluble vitamins from taking too much, but in this case a build up of minerals)
I currently take ZMA and was going to replace it with the mineral formula and have not had any problems having an excess of zinc from taking a multi + ZMA. Considered because of the absorption issues you discussed I am probably not absorbing the minerals I am currently taking anyway…?