Milk Causes Osteoporosis

Some more on the TWO types of vitamin D. Also, I mispoke - it takes plae skinned individuals just a few mintues to make adequate vitamin D, but may take dark skinned persons hours to get the same equivalent. And also, my last post was written by Dr. Mercola - regardless of what you think of him, he is very well educated and seeks out experts in the field(s) in which he is writting to form his own opinion.

"By John Jacob Cannell, M.D., executive director of The Vitamin D Council

Vitamin D is a vital nutrient that is unique, both in terms of its physiology and because humans rely on both endogenous skin production and exogenous sources to meet biological requirements. Vitamin D is commercially available as vitamin D2, (ergocalciferol) [this is the synthetic form that is added to foods - it is not as biactive as D3 and toxic to some people] made from plant products, and vitamin D3, (cholecalciferol) made from animal products.

Cholecalciferol is also made naturally in the skin by the action of a specific wavelength of ultraviolet light (UVB) interacting with precholesterol. Cholecalciferol is then transported to the liver and turned into calcidiol [(25(OH)D]. In turn, the calcidiol is transported to the kidney and transformed into the steroid calcitriol, which is excreted into the blood to help regulate calcium in the body. This is the main endocrine function of vitamin D.

Meanwhile, many tissues other than the kidney turn calcidiol into calcitriol to help regulate gene expression locally; this is the newly discovered autocrine (inside the cell) and paracrine (surrounding the cell) functions of vitamin D. This autocrine and paracrine function is impaired in vitamin D deficient subjects. All studies show many Americans are vitamin D deficient, especially Blacks, where the problem is pandemic.

This use of calcitriol by other tissues as an autocrine and paracrine hormone is a relatively new discovery that explains its role in human development as well as the many health benefits of vitamin D in other illnesses such as diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, autoimmune illness, at least 13 different cancers and, perhaps, some mental illness.

The Extraordinary Rate of Natural Vitamin D Production

The single most important scientific fact about vitamin D is that young adult Whites make about 20,000 units of vitamin D in their skin within minutes of whole-body, summer-sun exposure. This is 100 times the Adequate Intake (AI) and five times the toxicity maximums (Lowest Observed Adverse Effects Level or LOAEL) recommended by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) for young adults. Therefore, many Americans greatly exceed the IOM?s safety recommendations by simply spending a few minutes outside in their swimming suits!

This extraordinary rate of natural vitamin D production in the skin (20,000 IU) leading to the production of a potent endocrine, paracrine and autocrine steroid hormone leads one (as T.S. Eliot once said), “to an overwhelming question.” Why did Nature design such a complex system reliant on rapid and bountiful production of cholecalciferol? Answer, “Probably for a very good reason.”

Because low calcidiol [25(OH)D] levels (less than 35 ng/ml) are associated with so many chronic illnesses, calcidiol levels are an important part of any laboratory health evaluation and should be routinely checked by physicians. Unfortunately, few physicians are aware of this so perhaps as much as 70 percent of the U.S. population has calcidiol levels below 35 ng/ml. Even when asked to check vitamin D levels, physicians often order calcitriol levels, instead of calcidiol levels, an error that greatly misleads both the physician and the patient."

TS

[quote]gibsonhero wrote:
Pootie Tang wrote:
This explains why countries with the highest rates of milk consumption, such as Ireland, Austria, and Holland, also have the highest incidence of osteoporosis.

These places are cloudy and rainy most of the year. Vitamin D needs sunlight in order to be effective.

Yeah, and all Austrians still life in caves with not sun at all. The weather is fine in Austria - and its neither cloudy or rainy most of the year. I don’t think that we have the highest rates of milk consumption. Why should we? Please don’t believe everything you read.
Milk is bad - that’s why “Hooters” doesn’t serve Milk* (*only in your coffee). Well tha’ts a comercial hor Hooters…I am a little bit crazy because last weak a “Hooters” opened (in Vienna - which is in Austria).

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Austria eh? G’day mate! Throw some shrimp on the barbie?

Cool, so now if there is an increase in IGF-1 in the milk of those cows, we need to know if their IGF-1 is able to pass through our digestive process.

However, I would suggest differentiating between normal milk and frankenmilk at the very least if you want to talk about the potential for health issues.

[quote]gibsonhero wrote:

Yeah, and all Austrians still life in caves with not sun at all. [/quote]

I live on a tree, to be precise.

My 2 cents. IMHO

It is not the milk per se that is the culprit. It is the processes that are involved with milk like pasteurization and homogenization. They scar the arteries which causes cholesterol to cling to them and clog. It contains antibiotics which I’m not even gonna start on. I wonder if the solution to this for all you milk lovers, and I like it too, is to try some probiotics with it.

Like I said, just my opinion. I’m still learning and researching it myself.

Also, I don’t think screaming, “Your gonna die” at someone is very constructive. Seems alot of posts are that way anymore. Someone posts something hoping for a adult discourse and someone else comes on and beats their chest at them. I think if all you have to say is to mock, ridicule or scorn then shut the F up.

[quote]michael2507 wrote:
gibsonhero wrote:

Yeah, and all Austrians still life in caves with not sun at all.

I live on a tree, to be precise.[/quote]

I knew there couldn’t be any sun “down under” there in Austria. Say hello to Mick Dundee for me.

[quote]btm62 wrote:
My 2 cents. IMHO

It is not the milk per se that is the culprit. It is the processes that are involved with milk like pasteurization and homogenization. They scar the arteries which causes cholesterol to cling to them and clog. It contains antibiotics which I’m not even gonna start on. I wonder if the solution to this for all you milk lovers, and I like it too, is to try some probiotics with it.

Like I said, just my opinion. I’m still learning and researching it myself.

Also, I don’t think screaming, “Your gonna die” at someone is very constructive. Seems alot of posts are that way anymore. Someone posts something hoping for a adult discourse and someone else comes on and beats their chest at them. I think if all you have to say is to mock, ridicule or scorn then shut the F up. [/quote]

Could you list the active antibiotics found in pasteurized milk? I would love to see this. If this is the case, I will never have to prescribe antibiotics again. I can simply tell them to drink milk.

[quote]michael2507 wrote:
Could she be wrong?[/quote]

Who says that’s milk. :slight_smile:

[quote]btm62 wrote:
My 2 cents. IMHO

It is not the milk per se that is the culprit. It is the processes that are involved with milk like pasteurization and homogenization. They scar the arteries which causes cholesterol to cling to them and clog. It contains antibiotics which I’m not even gonna start on. I wonder if the solution to this for all you milk lovers, and I like it too, is to try some probiotics with it.

Like I said, just my opinion. I’m still learning and researching it myself.

Also, I don’t think screaming, “Your gonna die” at someone is very constructive. Seems alot of posts are that way anymore. Someone posts something hoping for a adult discourse and someone else comes on and beats their chest at them. I think if all you have to say is to mock, ridicule or scorn then shut the F up. [/quote]

GREAT points on ALL the above!!!

TS

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
gibsonhero wrote:

Yeah, and all Austrians still life in caves with not sun at all.

I live on a tree, to be precise.

I knew there couldn’t be any sun “down under” there in Austria. Say hello to Mick Dundee for me.[/quote]

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are just joking. You are joking. Aren’t you?

Anyway, g’day Mick!

[quote]Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
My 2 cents. IMHO

It is not the milk per se that is the culprit. It is the processes that are involved with milk like pasteurization and homogenization. They scar the arteries which causes cholesterol to cling to them and clog. It contains antibiotics which I’m not even gonna start on. I wonder if the solution to this for all you milk lovers, and I like it too, is to try some probiotics with it.

Like I said, just my opinion. I’m still learning and researching it myself.

Also, I don’t think screaming, “Your gonna die” at someone is very constructive. Seems alot of posts are that way anymore. Someone posts something hoping for a adult discourse and someone else comes on and beats their chest at them. I think if all you have to say is to mock, ridicule or scorn then shut the F up.

Could you list the active antibiotics found in pasteurized milk? I would love to see this. If this is the case, I will never have to prescribe antibiotics again. I can simply tell them to drink milk.[/quote]

Prof X, are you a MD??

[quote]TopSirloin wrote:
Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
My 2 cents. IMHO

It is not the milk per se that is the culprit. It is the processes that are involved with milk like pasteurization and homogenization. They scar the arteries which causes cholesterol to cling to them and clog. It contains antibiotics which I’m not even gonna start on. I wonder if the solution to this for all you milk lovers, and I like it too, is to try some probiotics with it.

Like I said, just my opinion. I’m still learning and researching it myself.

Also, I don’t think screaming, “Your gonna die” at someone is very constructive. Seems alot of posts are that way anymore. Someone posts something hoping for a adult discourse and someone else comes on and beats their chest at them. I think if all you have to say is to mock, ridicule or scorn then shut the F up.

Could you list the active antibiotics found in pasteurized milk? I would love to see this. If this is the case, I will never have to prescribe antibiotics again. I can simply tell them to drink milk.

Prof X, are you a MD??[/quote]

I can pm you what field I am in, but that isn’t info I lay out on the public forums or where I work out of.

Also, you didn’t answer which antibiotics are actively found in milk. The problem with making a statement like that is that many people are allergic to some antibiotics and it can be life threatening for them to take it. If there was such a risk, it would make sense that there would be people dying left and right from simply drinking milk.

[quote]lovehunter wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
Could she be wrong?

Who says that’s milk. :)[/quote]

Cumming to conclusions, are you?

:wink:

Of course I am joking. The other dude felt he had to make a point that Vienna was in Austria so I thought I would be a dumbass.

Enjoy your Fosters tonight. After you drink one of those big cans I guess you could say you’re-a-peein’.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Of course I am joking. The other dude felt he had to make a point that Vienna was in Austria so I thought I would be a dumbass.

Enjoy your Fosters tonight. After you drink one of those big cans I guess you could say you’re-a-peein’.[/quote]

No drinking tonight, mate. I’ll be busy chasing roos and wallabys.

Whats more natural than putting your mouth on a nipple and drinking from it?

[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
Whats more natural than putting your mouth on a nipple and drinking from it?[/quote]

Putting other body parts in between two nipples?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
My 2 cents. IMHO

It is not the milk per se that is the culprit. It is the processes that are involved with milk like pasteurization and homogenization. They scar the arteries which causes cholesterol to cling to them and clog. It contains antibiotics which I’m not even gonna start on. I wonder if the solution to this for all you milk lovers, and I like it too, is to try some probiotics with it.

Like I said, just my opinion. I’m still learning and researching it myself.

Also, I don’t think screaming, “Your gonna die” at someone is very constructive. Seems alot of posts are that way anymore. Someone posts something hoping for a adult discourse and someone else comes on and beats their chest at them. I think if all you have to say is to mock, ridicule or scorn then shut the F up.

Could you list the active antibiotics found in pasteurized milk? I would love to see this. If this is the case, I will never have to prescribe antibiotics again. I can simply tell them to drink milk.[/quote]

In response to your query about what antibiotics are in milk, I would humbly suggest you do a search on antibiotics in milk. I just did one via the yahoo search engine. There are plenty of results and a quick browse showed some I’ve heard of. I have kids with ears. Now, I don’t want to get off on legal limits of antibiotics in milk, but they are there. Which is all my post stated.

Again, since you seem to be knowledgeable on the topic, I will ask, why if you prescribe antibiotics, do you not also prescribe probiotics. (If that is the case.) And If you are knowledgable, I would like to hear your opinions on probiotics.

[quote]btm62 wrote:
In response to your query about what antibiotics are in milk, I would humbly suggest you do a search on antibiotics in milk. I just did one via the yahoo search engine. There are plenty of results and a quick browse showed some I’ve heard of. I have kids with ears. Now, I don’t want to get off on legal limits of antibiotics in milk, but they are there. Which is all my post stated.
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Then post them.

[quote]
Again, since you seem to be knowledgeable on the topic, I will ask, why if you prescribe antibiotics, do you not also prescribe probiotics. (If that is the case.) And If you are knowledgable, I would like to hear your opinions on probiotics. [/quote]

If I prescribe antibiotics for a local infection, why would I give intestinal probiotics? You buy that at GNC or health food stores. You don’t get PRESCRIPTIONS for acidophilus. Acidophilus won’t do shit for cellulitis.