I was reading through the Physique Clinic, and i noticed that Christian Thibaudeau said to never include Milk in your diet. I recently have been drinking 1-2 cups of milk a day to help with protein intake because my family doesn’t cook meat/fish every night, and milk makes it easier to reach my protein intake for the day.
I get most of my protein from : Tuna, turkey slices, breads, beans, meat/fish if available, natty pb, and milk.
Why would milk be bad?
I drink skim milk, with 130 cals which includes 11 grams of protein per cup with only 15grams of carbs.
Milk isn’t bad, but some people get bent out of shape about the insulin spike the sugars in it will give you, and some claim it contributes to skin problems, allergies, etc.
I drank a gallon of skim milk every day, from the age of 14 to 24, a period in which I gained roughly 100 pounds of muscle. No skin problems, no allergies, no diabetes, and my bodyfat barely got out of single digits.
Don’t take one testimony as fact though. However, in my opinion, milk is awesome for muscle gains, and should be used so long as you’re not dieting or having any adverse reactions to it.
I say basically the same thing to everyone, if you tolerate it well then use it. If you get digestion problems, bloating, or any other issues then don’t use it.
If someone lists bread as a major source of protein that would usually be red flag that you aren’t eating enough dead animal flesh. Where’s the beef?
Check out this from elitefts, look at tip number 7. Also look at Prof X, Bauer97. You’d be a fool not to include milk on a mass diet. Obviously fat loss is another matter.
I like milk. It does provide an easy source of protein and it has yet to make me fat or give me pimples and diabetes. I do experience bloating and extremely bad gas when I drink though, unless I eat yogurt first.
I read that the bacteria cultures in yogurt break down the sugars in the milk that cause bloating and gas and it seems to work for me.
Thib is manageing the minor details of a individualised plan. Your a newb whose trying to get his protein up. So i dont think its advice thats applicable to you. Unless your lactose intolerant. or your situation changes.
[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
Milk isn’t bad, but some people get bent out of shape about the insulin spike the sugars in it will give you, and some claim it contributes to skin problems, allergies, etc.
I drank a gallon of skim milk every day, from the age of 14 to 24, a period in which I gained roughly 100 pounds of muscle. No skin problems, no allergies, no diabetes, and my bodyfat barely got out of single digits.
Don’t take one testimony as fact though. However, in my opinion, milk is awesome for muscle gains, and should be used so long as you’re not dieting or having any adverse reactions to it.[/quote]
You gained 100 pounds of muscle by drinking milk? NOW I’M PISSED. F**K.
Just kidding, I agree with the last paragraph. It’s a nice, easy, CHEAP way to supplement CALORIES. You don’t need to do that if you are losing fat or really prone to fat gain. But it is definitely not as bad as people make it out to be. Just don’t have it minutes before bed.
I like to use it as a “second Surge” to get 400-500 carb-heavy calories an hour after I drink my Surge. With a piece of fruit, some tuna, whatever.
From the diet posted it looks like Thib is concerned with making the gains in body weight as lean as possible. It makes sense to limit the carbohydrate sources to those with as minimal impact on insulin levels as possible to discourage fat gain.
milk is great, especially when you need calories and cant be cooking things up all the time. for instance ive been drinking a lot more milk at work lately on my carb ups, because its so much easier to chug a gallon of milk than wolf down a loaf of bread. its got fat, protein, and carbs all in liquid form…what more could i ask for?
[quote]conwict wrote:
You gained 100 pounds of muscle by drinking milk? NOW I’M PISSED. F**K.
Just kidding, I agree with the last paragraph. It’s a nice, easy, CHEAP way to supplement CALORIES. You don’t need to do that if you are losing fat or really prone to fat gain. But it is definitely not as bad as people make it out to be. Just don’t have it minutes before bed.
I like to use it as a “second surge” to get 400-500 carb-heavy calories an hour after I drink my surge. With a piece of fruit, some tuna, whatever.[/quote]
Why wouldn’t you have it minutes before bed? I have 3 glasses of it with 2 scoops of Micellar Casein every night and it doesn’t seem to have any negative impact on me. Have you actually had any negative effects or is this just based on theory.
Just asking out of interest as you have stated it as though it’s obvious.
[quote]IQ wrote:
conwict wrote:
You gained 100 pounds of muscle by drinking milk? NOW I’M PISSED. F**K.
Just kidding, I agree with the last paragraph. It’s a nice, easy, CHEAP way to supplement CALORIES. You don’t need to do that if you are losing fat or really prone to fat gain. But it is definitely not as bad as people make it out to be. Just don’t have it minutes before bed.
I like to use it as a “second surge” to get 400-500 carb-heavy calories an hour after I drink my Surge. With a piece of fruit, some tuna, whatever.
Why wouldn’t you have it minutes before bed? I have 3 glasses of it with 2 scoops of Micellar Casein every night and it doesn’t seem to have any negative impact on me. Have you actually had any negative effects or is this just based on theory.
Just asking out of interest as you have stated it as though it’s obvious.[/quote]
Actually I used to use the exact same formulation as you, literally, before bed… and it got me up to about 195lb or so from 150lb. After that I actually got up to 210 but was much chubbier.
I think the milk messed up my insulin sensitivity. I also feel like I got a mild allergy to it temporarily by doing 3 glasses every night for over a year.
I think carbs before bed aren’t a bad idea, but I think you need fiber with them. Waterbury and that Scott Abel guy have recently both expressed that it isn’t a good idea to go totally carbless before bed, but I think milk has too many for before bed. This is just my opinion. In the interest of carb timing, I just think there are better things for before bed.
There is always that carb countdown stuff, but that’s just expensive.
I stated it like it was obvious because most trainees seem to be down with carb timing.
Freaking out over foods that a lot of people have allergies to is just foolish in my mind. Been drinking milk for years and I don’t plan to stop. Of course I suppose if your goals are to be a bodybuilder then milk might not be in your cards.
I will keep drinking milk, eating peanut butter and oatmeal and love it.
[quote]conwict wrote:
Actually I used to use the exact same formulation as you, literally, before bed… and it got me up to about 195lb or so from 150lb. After that I actually got up to 210 but was much chubbier.
I think the milk messed up my insulin sensitivity. I also feel like I got a mild allergy to it temporarily by doing 3 glasses every night for over a year.
I think carbs before bed aren’t a bad idea, but I think you need fiber with them. Waterbury and that Scott Abel guy have recently both expressed that it isn’t a good idea to go totally carbless before bed, but I think milk has too many for before bed. This is just my opinion. In the interest of carb timing, I just think there are better things for before bed.
There is always that carb countdown stuff, but that’s just expensive.
I stated it like it was obvious because most trainees seem to be down with carb timing.[/quote]
Fair enough.
I’m familiar with the whole nutrient timing approach I just don’t think it’s the only way.
This is actually somewhat related to my honours thesis and from what I’ve read and seen it’s the whey in the milk that causes the insulin kick. It kinda destroys the rule that you shouldnt drink milk PWO.
Wait. Why wouldn’t milk be a good source for a post workout meal because of the protein + simple carbs.
I was planning on eating a can of tuna, and a cup of milk for Post workout.
I don’t see why milk is being hated so much
Quality protein, vitamin A, calcium, insulin-related anabolic qualities …
Milk has the best protein (aside from eggs) and it’s easy to drink.
And I dont see how I’d gain unwanted fat as long as I drink it within my calorie intake.
[quote]IQ wrote:
conwict wrote:
Actually I used to use the exact same formulation as you, literally, before bed… and it got me up to about 195lb or so from 150lb. After that I actually got up to 210 but was much chubbier.
I think the milk messed up my insulin sensitivity. I also feel like I got a mild allergy to it temporarily by doing 3 glasses every night for over a year.
I think carbs before bed aren’t a bad idea, but I think you need fiber with them. Waterbury and that Scott Abel guy have recently both expressed that it isn’t a good idea to go totally carbless before bed, but I think milk has too many for before bed. This is just my opinion. In the interest of carb timing, I just think there are better things for before bed.
There is always that carb countdown stuff, but that’s just expensive.
I stated it like it was obvious because most trainees seem to be down with carb timing.
Fair enough.
I’m familiar with the whole nutrient timing approach I just don’t think it’s the only way.[/quote]
I think it depends on your outlook and current training/life situation.
Over the summer, if I’m doing 6-8x/wk HFT, carb timing is the last thing on my mind.
However, during my busy semesters at college, it can make the difference in staying lean and putting on unnecessary fat.
At the very least it is a good change of pace once in a while and will make you get SICK lean if you are already prone to leanness. It’s also a good habit to develop for when you’re in your 30s and 40s and you are mroe concerned with long-term health.