Michelle Obama, the Racist at Princeton

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
http://www.pitt.edu/~hirtle/uujec/white.html

From that link:
Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.

Well…at least you guys had a choice.[/quote]

You should read the entire thing.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
orion wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
orion wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:

So as I understand it if white’s had been oppressed for a couple hundred years it would be okay for them to go to a racist church in todays age, but since they weren’t it is wrong.

no, they would just have way more wiggle room when it comes down to what is racism.

You know a lot of white people can trace their roots back to a time of oppression for their people. For instance I am half Irish…can I then use the history of Irish oppression to my advantage?

I don´t know.

Did they not treat Irish patient´s syphilis just to see what would happen?

Did they lynch Irish people who wanted to vote 1-2 generations ago?

No they just raped their women on their wedding night no less.

When exactly did that happen and did it happen in America?

If some Irish still held a grudge against the British I would understand that.

Some act as if any level of discrimination equals the same as all other gradients. Aside from Native Americans, few in this country can claim the same level of harassment and loathing experienced by blacks in this country.

You risked being killed by simply walking outside in Mississippi in the 40’s and 50’s. There was a lynching less than 10 years ago in Texas where a girl was dragged behind a pickup truck.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1610418/posts[/quote]

Wow.

[quote]If the report proves true[/quote]???

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
http://www.pitt.edu/~hirtle/uujec/white.html

From that link:
Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.

Well…at least you guys had a choice.

You should read the entire thing.
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I did read it. How does that erase what I quoted?

Unless someone is so distinctly Irish that their accent gives it away, the truth of the matter is Irish people could blend in a hell of a lot better than blacks could when their lives are on the line…and they did.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
http://www.pitt.edu/~hirtle/uujec/white.html

From that link:
Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.

Well…at least you guys had a choice.

You should read the entire thing.

I did read it. How does that erase what I quoted?

Unless someone is so distinctly Irish that their accent gives it away, the truth of the matter is Irish people could blend in a hell of a lot better than blacks could when their lives are on the line…and they did.[/quote]

Were you around back then how do you know how well they blended in?

You read all that and all you got out of it was that small quote?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
http://www.pitt.edu/~hirtle/uujec/white.html

From that link:
Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.

Well…at least you guys had a choice.

You should read the entire thing.

I did read it. How does that erase what I quoted?

Unless someone is so distinctly Irish that their accent gives it away, the truth of the matter is Irish people could blend in a hell of a lot better than blacks could when their lives are on the line…and they did.

Were you around back then how do you know how well they blended in?

You read all that and all you got out of it was that small quote? [/quote]

Hey, if you didn’t want your own resource to support any other ideas than what you personally want to get across, you should have thought of that before posting it.

I didn’t change that quote. It came directly FROM YOUR OWN LINK.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
http://www.pitt.edu/~hirtle/uujec/white.html

From that link:
Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.

Well…at least you guys had a choice.

You should read the entire thing.

I did read it. How does that erase what I quoted?

Unless someone is so distinctly Irish that their accent gives it away, the truth of the matter is Irish people could blend in a hell of a lot better than blacks could when their lives are on the line…and they did.

Were you around back then how do you know how well they blended in?

You read all that and all you got out of it was that small quote?

Hey, if you didn’t want your own resource to support any other ideas than what you personally want to get across, you should have thought of that before posting it.

I didn’t change that quote. It came directly FROM YOUR OWN LINK.[/quote]

I didn’t want you to change the quote or the idea of the paper I just wanted everyone to see other races had to fight for their rights just like black people.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I’m pointing out black people are not the only people to be killed due to race. [/quote]

Who has ever, and I mean EVER, stated that blacks were the only race killed or harrassed based on skin color?

In this country, however, you would be hard pressed to find one that was treated like that as much or for as long.

[quote]
Whether the report is true or not is irrelevant anyone can surmise things like this happen with or without media coverage.[/quote]

Again, maybe you should consider your own source before posting it.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
http://www.pitt.edu/~hirtle/uujec/white.html

From that link:
Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.

Well…at least you guys had a choice.

You should read the entire thing.

I did read it. How does that erase what I quoted?

Unless someone is so distinctly Irish that their accent gives it away, the truth of the matter is Irish people could blend in a hell of a lot better than blacks could when their lives are on the line…and they did.

Were you around back then how do you know how well they blended in?

You read all that and all you got out of it was that small quote?

Hey, if you didn’t want your own resource to support any other ideas than what you personally want to get across, you should have thought of that before posting it.

I didn’t change that quote. It came directly FROM YOUR OWN LINK.

I didn’t want you to change the quote or the idea of the paper I just wanted everyone to see other races had to fight for their rights just like black people. [/quote]

and when as much time has passed for black Americans as has for the Irish Americans their standard for how much BS they can spout off in church will be much lower.

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usmccds423, you’re hilarious. WE WERE OPPRESSED TOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!1!!!11!!!

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[quote]orion wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
http://www.pitt.edu/~hirtle/uujec/white.html

From that link:
Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.

Well…at least you guys had a choice.

You should read the entire thing.

I did read it. How does that erase what I quoted?

Unless someone is so distinctly Irish that their accent gives it away, the truth of the matter is Irish people could blend in a hell of a lot better than blacks could when their lives are on the line…and they did.

Were you around back then how do you know how well they blended in?

You read all that and all you got out of it was that small quote?

Hey, if you didn’t want your own resource to support any other ideas than what you personally want to get across, you should have thought of that before posting it.

I didn’t change that quote. It came directly FROM YOUR OWN LINK.

I didn’t want you to change the quote or the idea of the paper I just wanted everyone to see other races had to fight for their rights just like black people.

and when as much time has passed for black Americans as has for the Irish Americans their standard for how much BS they can spout off in church will be much lower.

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If you take into account the hundreds of year?s worth of oppression by England I think the black population has had enough time to get over it.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Native American’s had it much worse then black. They may not have had it that long though because they were killed off pretty quick. [/quote]

WTF???

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
usmccds423, you’re hilarious. WE WERE OPPRESSED TOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!1!!!11!!!
[/quote]

I never actually said we I said my ancestors or THEY…When’s the last time you were kept from voting or riding a bus buddy?

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[quote]orion wrote:

and when as much time has passed for black Americans as has for the Irish Americans their standard for how much BS they can spout off in church will be much lower.

[/quote]

Which is what it comes down to. instead, we get told that if Michelle Obama responds to excessive racism in a term paper that she must now “denounce” her stance as if there is no more racism on an unequal scale. How do the victims of that time period now take the blame for it as well?

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:

Native American’s had it much worse then black. They may not have had it that long though because they were killed off pretty quick.

WTF??? [/quote]

LOL.

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:

Native American’s had it much worse then black. They may not have had it that long though because they were killed off pretty quick.

WTF??? [/quote]

Do I need to explain how Native American’s were killed by the hundreds while early America took their land from them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:

and when as much time has passed for black Americans as has for the Irish Americans their standard for how much BS they can spout off in church will be much lower.

Which is what it comes down to. instead, we get told that if Michelle Obama responds to excessive racism in a term paper that she must now “denounce” her stance as if there is no more racism on an equal scale. How do the victims of that time period now take the blame for it as well? [/quote]

Never once did I say she needs to denounce her stance. Others may have I did not. She can be however she wants to be. If this country; however, wants to get past race people like her in the public view have to push for that change. I can’t, you can’t, she can.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:

Native American’s had it much worse then black. They may not have had it that long though because they were killed off pretty quick.

WTF???

LOL. [/quote]

am I wrong?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:

and when as much time has passed for black Americans as has for the Irish Americans their standard for how much BS they can spout off in church will be much lower.

Which is what it comes down to. instead, we get told that if Michelle Obama responds to excessive racism in a term paper that she must now “denounce” her stance as if there is no more racism on an equal scale. How do the victims of that time period now take the blame for it as well? [/quote]

Actually, they want more than that.

They want her to be proud of a country that treated her and people that she loved that way.

What is so hard to understand about the fact that the first time she felt proud to be American was when she realized that the country had fundamentally changed?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:

Native American’s had it much worse then black. They may not have had it that long though because they were killed off pretty quick.

WTF???

LOL.

am I wrong? [/quote]

I think you missed what he was making a point of…and if you have to explain it…

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[quote]orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:

and when as much time has passed for black Americans as has for the Irish Americans their standard for how much BS they can spout off in church will be much lower.

Which is what it comes down to. instead, we get told that if Michelle Obama responds to excessive racism in a term paper that she must now “denounce” her stance as if there is no more racism on an equal scale. How do the victims of that time period now take the blame for it as well?

Actually, they want more than that.

They want her to be proud of a country that treated her and people that she loved that way.

What is so hard to understand about the fact that the first time she felt proud to be American was when she realized that the country had fundamentally changed?

[/quote]

I do have to say those voices sure have decreased now that more people in this forum are speaking against it.