Messed Myself Up with SARMs and Finasteride (Update: Restart Successful)

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I’m 38 year old male. Fucked up myself with ostarine too. 3 weeks at 10 mg, it took me from 532 total and 12,7 free, to 176 total and 4 free…

Did pct with clomid for 3 weeks 25 mg ED. Now I’m at 356 total and 7,5 free. This was 3 weeks ago, now my SHBG raised from 28 to 34 and I’m at 360 total and 7,1 free.

Today I got this test and freaked out, as these looks to be my new “normal”.I’m writing now as a form to cope with this idea. I cannot believe I fucked myself for life, for nothing.

Did all the changes you prescribed here as they are the common sense for recovery.

Been lifting still, 30-40 min max, 4 times a week. No recovery problems, no major strenght or muscle loss.
Been sleeping with liquid melatonin, 3mg, normaly 7,5 hours of sleep. This after 3 months sleeping 3 hour per night (suppression then PCT period).
My libido is here, not optimal, but I do have sex ~3 times a week, but sometimes I get nervous before… and spoil everything. When this happens during the week i take 5mg mg cialis friday night it lasts the whole weekend.

All the psychological symptoms are gone, no depression or anxiety attacks. My only problem is my libido, I still did not accept the idea of using cialis every week, but I think that it is here to stay for some months at least.

So the whole journey have been 3 months unitl here. I plan to stick to my new healthy lifestyle for the rest of my life, but have been thinking that if my levels and my libido do not get better in 4 months, I will start TRT.

Been reading a lot, about recovery and I think there is hope that my testicular function can get back to normal in 6~9 months. Your success history is one of those things that make me less anxious, knowing that time is a healer and I have to de stress during this journey.

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If you’re over 25, TRT is not so scary. You’re more or less counting the hours until you’d take it, anyway. You’re just starting a little early and probably feeling better early.

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As @jordan50 have recovered, and some studies point out, my testicular function can still recover in the next months, I hope I’m not trying to fool myself believing that.

I want just to recover to my old self. I’m frightened by the idea of pinning myself 2x a week and to frequent doctors offices monthly trying to dial my TRT for the next 20~30 years. Just the anxiety from verifying my bloods after PCT was mortifying.

I know I was stupid messing with these conpounds, now I know better.

While I do not have major low T symptoms, sometimes, If i do not sleep well or go limp, I get thrown into those maniac thoughts about how I messed my life. I would like that these always lingering feelings just to go away.

But you are probably right, this period is probably the while I wil take to accept TRT.

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I reckon you will be fine with another 3-4 months. Did you experience genital numbness and/or testicular atrophy?

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No numbness. I’ve Lost some sensibility on the head i reckon, mostly when most suppressed, but It is coming back everyday. I fap 2-3 times a day, take longer to orgasm, but normal ejaculation.
Normal hardons, my problem is mostly psychological, performance anxiety from the suppressed period i think. I do antecipate a lot the weekend, and when It Just happens during the week It goes alright. I think with habit normalizing the problem Will Go away.

Atrophy, I would think not, before, but my balls are bigger now than while PCTing, and obviously bigger than before the PCT.

I’m hoping for those 4 months, I’m not greedy to want to achieve my pre cycle numbers, I just want some buffer so I do not feel like dying just for a badly slept night.

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I do not know what to believe, There aren’t studies about recovery post PCT. I do not know if the numbers I got are here to stay, if I should have PCTed for a longer time.

I see you talking about HCG, my LH and FSH are in range… I’ll wait a little and try a restart as you did.

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You’ll be fine man, just try to eat well and get plenty of sleep. You only did Ostarine for 3 weeks? Your T is already on its way up. You will only hear about people that have not recovered. I reckon most people that recover fine with PCT cba posting about it, as there is no need to. Also, if your balls aren’t noticeably atrophied don’t bother using HCG, just let the body do its thing.

Here are some studies:

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I’m worried because of my age 38, and I already used Clomid, it got me where I am. As you said, got to wit my body do the rest, probably the age will just make the recovery take longer.

Thanks for the support.

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Brother,

You will more than likely bounce back fine. It takes time. Just live the healthiest lifestyle possible, get good high quality sleep every night, prioritise rest and most importantly and above all else eliminate stress entirely. Stress is the #1 killer. Don’t force yourself or push yourself, always listen to your body. You will be fine, give it time and be patient. The body can and will heal itself. Avoiding the stressed, wired, hyperaroused, anxious state is #1, instead focus on staying calm and relaxed at all times. My testosterone went from 15 to 38 nmol/L just by giving it time and living a lifestyle conductive to healing. You will be okay.

Godspeed my friend

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That’s correct my friend lol

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I’ve abandoned melatonin as it appears to be HPTA supressive. Been sleeping less the last 3 days. about 6,5 hours. Tring not to go back to it. Feeling like shit in the morning…

Been trying l triptophane and passionfruit juice before sleeping…

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Did not know that about melatonin, for what it’s worth the best sleep stack I’ve found for me after experimenting with so many different supplements was:

  • Melatonin 3grams (Life Extensions)
  • Ashwagandha Sensoril 125-375mg (Life Extensions Optimized Ashwagandha)
  • Phosphatidylserine 300-600mg (Jarrow PS-100)

This stack puts me to sleep and keeps me asleep. I’ve tried so many different things, magnesium, glycine, taurine, L theanine, passion flower, chamomile, plus more. This stack is by far the most effective for me, it will also regulate your circadian and cortisol rhythm, potentially why it’s so effective.

Interestingly this study concludes melatonin supplementation had no effect on pituitary-gonadal hormones in men with no adverse reproductive effects in men. In my opinion, being sleep deprived is substantially worse for you’re recovery than the slight risk of melatonin being HPTA suppressive. But it’s your journey and you need to find what works for you.

It will be impossible to recover your testosterone without good high quality sleep every night. Obviously avoiding screens before bed and good sleep hygiene is a must. I hope you sort it out man.

https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/15/1/60/702022

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It appears that exogenous melatonin causes a rebound on prolactine levels, and suppress lh levels.

Search also for:
Hypogonodism melatonin
Prolactin melatonin
Melatonin lh

I think I slept better today went to bem at 11 woke up at 5, then took dozens of naps until 9. Before deciding to stop, I was feeling a slight pain on my right nipple and It is gone. I’ll try not to use It unless insomnia comes back in a Full blow.

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Good idea man, avoiding screens & artificial light after dusk should suffice, 15-30min of sun first thing in the morning is highly recommended also

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Also melatonin and gynecomastia…

As we know there are some of us that are more sensible to any sort of compounds…

Everyday I´ve been sleeping better. Yesterday I slept from 12:00 to 9:30 today, woke up two times, but got back to sleep in no time.

My libido got a bit better on the morning without melatonin, while it was better in the night after taking it under it´s full effect.

Reduced cialis to 2,5 mg. Hope to stop it in the next month.
I´ve learned that the suppression effects on the psyche are more profound and longer lasting than their real physical effects.

While I´m still supressed, have some hair shedding and some memory difficulties, nothing that affects my work, but I know that I´m not “normal”. Time to try some ginseng and hop on creatine again.

I´ve learned frommany forums that there are a lot of guys that get suppressed from ostarine for 4-8 months and many get permanently suppressed.

Talked to my doctor and set a goal to take my healthy life as a therapy for the next 4-6 months, and just then get my bloods… if I do not get better, will try a second PCT, and then if it fails, TRT.
Already talked about that to my wife, and while she says I´m better than normal, because I do hop on her more often now, she recognizes that I do get nervous sometimes and sometimes sad on the weekends.

Hard times for everyone as tomorrow my city enters a new Covid lockdown, with all the stress involved.

One truth that I learned from you and verified from first hand experience is that to mess with AAS and knowing it can go wrong you really got to put your life on hold to recover.

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Yeah one thing I’ve learnt is you need to do your best to not be neurotic and over analyse things. Very difficult for me as I very much have “OCD” type traits. Just stick to a healthy lifestyle, be patient, and give it time. You will get there.

I’m having amazing sleeps on PS and Ash Sensoril. Both reduce cortisol if you suspect that is elevated and preventing you from achieving deep sleep. Maybe something to try?

What I’ve learnt is the body does not crave some perfect routine or perfect supplement protocol to heal. All it wants is very low stress, good sleep, lots of rest, a good healthy diet, and patience. From my experience, subtraction is more important than addition.

Did you have blood work done before you took the Ostarine? How do you know you weren’t already Low T to begin with? If your testosterone was naturally high to begin with, you probably wouldn’t have felt the need to take a performance enhancing drug. Food for thought.

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That anedocte is the second to “probably what you got there wasn´t ostarine”.

My testosterone were ok, 532 total and 12,7 free. The supression was too great, of over 75% and then i was 176, total and 4 free. This with just 3 weeks on 10 mg. We could say that my organism is too fragile, but I´ve seen too many guys in situations worse then mine, younger and years without recovery.

I never felt the need of a PED, it was just too easy and hasle free to use ostarine, since I was already years lifting and living a healthy life, I would just rebound in one week, like just every success story on reddit. A creatine with one week of hangover…

And as most point out, just live healthy and in two weeks, months… years you will rebound…

As I said, the numbers of young guys with normal T getting permanently suppressed are rising in the forums, and different to what people think, there wasn´t many, not because people with success stories do not come back, but because the ones that get fucked up or just hop on another cycle or go on TRT. Many of the guys here asking about TRT protocols if you see their posts history… you will see, a lot come from SARMS, and it appears to be esaier to recover from test esters usage from years than from Sarms.

Another anedocte from ostarine usage is that hyou do not need PCT because your LH and FSH are in range… and many of the guys that do not rebound have them in range… so, the HPTA is working but the testicles even without atrophy just do not produce test in the pre cycle range… It looks like your body decided that it is just your new levels and that is just it. Some kind of primary hypogonadism without atrophy. Know as the term normogonadotropic hypogonadism that denotes symptoms or signs of hypogonadism together with low serum T and normal LH levels. Which is also a form of secondary hypogonadism. That in turn is treated with HCG, and Serms… Just learned that now.

But the majority of fuck ups are just not in these forums and that´s why we do not hear of them.

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Yeah, I agree, people who have positive experiences are not likely to visit these forums looking for help. For example, I have multiple friends who have ran multiple cycles of ostarine with literally zero issues. Everyone is different, and with these underground products you never know what you’re truly getting. I hope you get better soon man, stay strong

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We disagree… I assert that most of the guys that “recover”, “feel” recovered and hop on another cycle. Then there are the one’s who do bloodwork on the last day of PCT when they are on the 800~1000 ng/dl, and people say, “success you can start another cycle”… And many come here with suppression telling us they will do another cycle even then.

This I tell about this forum, where people are generally older and more experienced and blunt on their advices.

What we see on Reddit is another world, 16~18 years olds having their “ostarine fail” posts downvoted to oblivion by vendors, thus beeing hidden in they daily threads, where the next batch of 16 y.o. are asking “should I stack ostarine with Rad?” and upvoted to the front page.

The answers to the fuckups posts are: 1- “what you took was not ostarine”, 2- “that’s why aI blast and cruise”, 3 - " If you did not know what you were doing you shouldn’t use PEDs…, 4- If your LH and FSH are in range you should not PCT, 5- You should PCT with clomid 1000/150/50/50…

Those kids will not come to this Forum, then they will buy fake enclomiphene from the guy who sold them ostarine and just hop on another cycle to feel better again, and then again… until they convince their mothers to take them to a TRT clinic. Then 2 months later we see their posts about “should I use Tren while on my first month of TRT?”…

-“did you recover from the last cycle?”
-“nah man, it doesn’t matter I’m on TRT now!”

As I said the failed PCT poster from today will remain this while dormant from shame, trying following advices from their doctors, Reddit, their regional forum, their friends, their sellers… from cycle to cycle, until TRT. And then, when on TRT they will finally end up here, one of the oldest and probably biggest Forums with dozens of thousands of threads about TRT.

And that is the hard truth of why most people do not do one cycle and just stop. They can’t handle the suppression for long, it becomes a burden in their lives that most doctors do not want to meddle with and I do not blame then, but I do not try to color this with “once you feel superhuman”… I, myself should be one more silent voice, just waiting the 4-6 months before… whatever

I really hope that I’m completely wrong, and to months from now to come back to this thread and humbly say you were right all along.

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Ah I see what you’re saying, and sadly it’s likely to only get worse as kids are pressured with unrealistic standards via social media, instagram, and these youtube influencers essentially glorifying PED use.