There are certain avenues one can go down if they’re willing to go private. Norway is a difficult one (though not as difficult as Aus wherein you need to test below 174ng/dl three times in a row, all three months apart to get on TRT… even then it typically needs too be prescribed by an endocrinologist). That being said, if you can find a private clinic or a really good public endocrinologist you can bypass this with via a script.
I could theoretically get a PBS subsidised script for T, though PBS no longer covers scripts for injectable testosterone (only subsidises the more expensive options, of which a private script for test E is on par/cheaper than the subsidised options anyway.
This is a common misconception, it isn’t “easy” for a FTM individual to get a script. You can’t just go to the doc and say “I’m a girl” and BAM… testosterone. Thorough psychiatric vetting, prolonged waiting periods etc are the norm.
I mean, bodies of data generally indicate prolonged sleep deprivation lowers TT/FT, but generally not enough to bump numbers down and meet a strict criteria unless you are REALLY borderline to begin with (i.e 200ng/dl vs 174).
Do you have anyone you can talk to about this? Could you talk to a GP and get a referral to a psychiatrist? Bottling these kinds of thoughts/emotions up over the longer term can spell disaster. It’s not much, but if you need someone to talk to/just vent my email is in my bio. It’s a horrible, horrible feeling to feel as if death is a legitimate avenue to qualm your sorrows/mitigate your troubles. It does get better though, I can (almost) guarantee that. This is a low point, keep in mind it’s highly, highly, highly unlikely that this “low” reflects how the rest of your life will turn out
For what It’s worth, pulling an all-nighter and consuming 100g of sugar 45 mins before the blood test crashed my levels from 600 to 200 pmol/L (250-750). Like you say, not enough to get a script done by doctors here in Aus unfortunately, but still quite a dramatic drop.
I too am in Aus, I’ve just gone the UGL route for now, and am organising some pharma Test E through a “Health Performance” clinic. Sadly, no doctor is going to believe me if I try to tell them I feel like garbage at 600 pmol/L given PFS is not a medically accepted condition, so UGL / private clinics it is … I may try see Dr Adrian Zentner in the future for a PBS subsidised script if he’s able to do so? Or only endos can do that?
but if you need someone to talk to/just vent my email is in my bio.
Likewise, @jamilkh , feel free to add me on Instagram man, just email me here first so I can send it to you privately: alex50_2021_insta@outlook.com (my temporary email address).
It does get better though, I can (almost) guarantee that. This is a low point, keep in mind it’s highly, highly, highly unlikely that this “low” reflects how the rest of your life will turn out
Completely agree man @jamilkh . You didn’t take finasteride, or accutane, or SSRIs, etc, any drug like that which can cause permanent damage with these post drug syndromes. I’m very hopeful this will resolve once you fix your hormone balance. Stay strong brother.
I got a script with a FT of 200, wasn’t that hard for me; probably because I was young and an adolescent in the prime of his life shouldn’t have a FT of 200pmol/l first thing in the morning. To think I could’ve crashed it to like 100 with a few days of sleep deprivation + loading up on suhar
I don’t know the answer to this, just dishing out ideas, is there anything you can do to support the liver while you take clomid to potentially mitigate the SHBG rise? Maybe add in something like NAC? Might just be bro science … but maybe have a research, just an idea.
Legit man… funny because for some people this is normal, playing video games all night, eating like crap and drinking soft drinks, this is the reason why the reference range is so low! haha
Been thinking about that man. I was considering proviron but its suppressive, but heard good things about it on pct still. I just feel like if I get my balls back to normal size and my body consistently starts pumping out test my shbg will naturally balance out. Havent heard about NAC, will give it a read.
Yeah I don’t think proviron will help you long term, you’re essentially taking oral DHT, not a good idea imo to restart your HPTA.
The NAC idea was to support the liver. SHBG is made by the liver and when the liver is under stress, more SHBG is made, maybe, and again this is maybe I don’t know, by supporting the liver through PCT it can help keep SHBG down. I don’t know you would have to research or hopefully someone on this forum can chime in.
Some people need more, some people need less. Some people can feel fine and symptomatic free at 500ng/dl, while someone else might need 1000+. Obviously that doesn’t take into account SHBG, but that’s not the point I’m trying to make. Im just pointing out that it’s ridiculous the reference ranges keep getting reduced, and in my opinion it’s a reflection of the average males lifestyle; sedentary, shit diet, fat, full of chemical and environmental toxins, the list goes on. Find the lowest dose required for you to achieve symptom resolution and maintain healthy blood work is my opinion.
If that’s what you’re interested in, go for it. I’m personally more focused now on health & longevity given my previous health issues, so for me I want to find the minimum effective dose
