Sarah Silverman is a dumb b**** who just talks about every sterotype as if it’s something new. When is the best time to get pregnant? When you’re a black teenager! haw haw haw almost as funny as the time water came out of my bathroom faucet
So by your logic, I should only find Dane Cook and Jeff Foxworthy funny? Since I am a white male with a southern background I should only like white male southern comedians?
Bull. Wanda Sykes is a black, female comedian. She appeals to people of all races and both genders. By your logic I shouldn’t find her funny.
Same with Carlos Mencia. He is a hispanic male. I am not hispanic, so therefore he should not be funny.
I could go on and on, but as the professor said, a talented comedian will be universally funny. People laugh out of commonality with the comedian/joke. There are certain topics that carry over to all of us on the planet. Some basics are relationships, men/women issues, family issues and everyday things that we all go thru. You can be from timbuktu and I can be from New York City but I’m sure both our girlfriends bitch at us for no reason, and we both have a cousin who does some of the dumbest stuff we ever imagined.
[quote]LoneLobo wrote:
Any of you considered that the male sense of humor may be different from the female sense of humor? That perhaps humor could be shaped by cultural roles?
Gee, if that were true, different cultures would find different things funny. God, what a crazy thought. Extrapolating on that, different groups within a culture might also find different things amusing.
I’m way off the regression line now. This is crazy talk.[/quote]
[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
I was a breastfed and lovely child. My son, will be the leader of all of you.
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Will he lead the war against the machines in the future after the nuclear holocaust only to send back one of those machines to protect himself in the past?
[quote]RagingBull wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
I was a breastfed and lovely child. My son, will be the leader of all of you.
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What the hell is your problem, Setting the bar a little high for you kid huh?
[quote]RagingBull wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
I was a breastfed and lovely child. My son, will be the leader of all of you.
Will he lead the war against the machines in the future after the nuclear holocaust only to send back one of those machines to protect himself in the past?[/quote]
Spot on. You must be a prophet! Do you want to make out with me in the thunderdome?
:o)
dig the quote from Good AM Vietnam.
waldo
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
So by your logic, I should only find Dane Cook and Jeff Foxworthy funny? Since I am a white male with a southern background I should only like white male southern comedians?
Bull. Wanda Sykes is a black, female comedian. She appeals to people of all races and both genders. By your logic I shouldn’t find her funny.
Same with Carlos Mencia. He is a hispanic male. I am not hispanic, so therefore he should not be funny.
I could go on and on, but as the professor said, a talented comedian will be universally funny. People laugh out of commonality with the comedian/joke. There are certain topics that carry over to all of us on the planet. Some basics are relationships, men/women issues, family issues and everyday things that we all go thru. You can be from timbuktu and I can be from New York City but I’m sure both our girlfriends bitch at us for no reason, and we both have a cousin who does some of the dumbest stuff we ever imagined.
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No, wrong. Not by my logic. You could perhaps go on in error with a never ending stream of American comics from diverse racial backgrounds, but you wouldn’t at all be refuting my point. You, black women, and Carlos Mencia share a common Americanized homogenous culture. You all live in the US, speak English, and associate mostly with Christian Indo-European derived people.
I’m not talking about specific issues that apply i.e. men and women in a specific genre of comedy i.e. standup, I’m talking about humor as a whole. Do you know what existential jokes are? Would you find them funny?
As a crude example, think back to the dubbed Japanese gameshows on Spike TV. Those provide a different sort of entertainment to Japanese people than to Americans. Think of music from different cultures - and by cultures, I don’t mean what you consider a culture (i.e. black Americans, hispanic Americans), I mean Iranian Muslims, Northern Chinese. This is not pleasant music to most of us. Why? It’s not our norm, and it isn’t in tune with our culture.
Waldo…I haven’t seen you for ages.
[quote]LoneLobo wrote:
As a crude example, think back to the dubbed Japanese gameshows on Spike TV. Those provide a different sort of entertainment to Japanese people than to Americans. [/quote]
Like say… Takeshi’s Castle? I think that show is hilarious, for the absurd dubbing aspect…if they only just translated what they were actually saying in Japanese, I doubt it would be as entertaining. Man that show is funny. On a physical level too.
Also, I think mexican music sounds like circus crap. I’m pretty sure it comes out of an elephants ass. And it hurts my brain.
[quote]LoneLobo wrote:
No, wrong. Not by my logic. [/quote]
Well, you are proving your logic to be a little impaired. American women…live in America with the rest of us. Most Americans don’t find British humor very funny so we aren’t talking about some other country’s humor. We are specifically talking some point you were trying to make as if women comedians aren’t considered funny simply because they are women and women might have a different “culture” than the rest of us…which is bullshit. What people in Zimbabwe find hilarious is not what we are discussing.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
etaco wrote:
Very few comedians are inherently funny people. Most have their success driven by their material.
Will Ferrell is slowly becoming one of the funnier people in movies even though when interviewed he doesn’t seem to be all that funny.[/quote]
Will Ferrell is slowly becoming unfunny. I love the SNL skits where he plays a psychotic angry boss, (I am this close to raping you ) and he even plays a great put upon straight man (Think Jeopardy) …
Nowadays, not so much. I’m sure hes doing what he can to show how multi faceted he is as an actor (Think Jim Carrey) …but in my opinion he has lost some footing in the funny department.
I like Paula Poundstone and Jackie Keshan (pretty sure I spelled her name wrong) and of course Wanda Sykes.
But there are so many more male standup comics than female. Is it because the women aren’t funny or is it because it’s just not an appealing career choice for women? Also the audience seems to be again majority men. Another thing is most of the women I see in the audience (when they show those shots) seem to be with their boyfriend/husband/whatever. Whenever I watch standup it tends to be because my dad puts it on (not that I complain) but it’s generally not something I’d put on on my own.
What I notice a lot of with women comics is that they say a lot of their lines almost like a question, like “was that funny? are you going to laugh?” This seems to lead to slightly too long pauses and really screws up their timing. With the seeming lack of confidence in the material and the timing issues this gives them a horrible stage presence which is crucial with standup. Perhaps the material would be better if they could get over this issue? Just some thoughts.
And yes, all my favorite standup comics are men.
I think most women are intimidated out of comedy.
“The thing women have got to learn is that nobody gives you power. You just take it.”
Roseanne Barr.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LoneLobo wrote:
No, wrong. Not by my logic.
Well, you are proving your logic to be a little impaired. American women…live in America with the rest of us. Most Americans don’t find British humor very funny so we aren’t talking about some other country’s humor. We are specifically talking some point you were trying to make as if women comedians aren’t considered funny simply because they are women and women might have a different “culture” than the rest of us…which is bullshit. What people in Zimbabwe find hilarious is not what we are discussing.[/quote]
Who holds the majority of the purchasing power in this country? You, with your rants in every Black Power/Affirmative Action thread are going to deny a patriarchal society/inherent bias in America?
The market for male comedy exists (this is all my own theorycrafting) for a number of reasons: One is that humor is a learned cultural attribute, and what we’re conditioned to find funny is male humor (feedback cycles).
Two, the majority of purchasing power and certainly discretionary spending (most particularly in entertainment) lies in the hands of men.
Number three, significant gender bias still exists in large portions of this society, one of them being roles in the workforce for women.
Fourth, it’s entirely possible that female humor (if such a thing as a unique cultural female sense of humor exists) may be best suited for a venue other than stand up comedy.
Fifth, a dirth of female stand-up comedians may be a trait endemic to American society - I don’t even know how many other cultures have stand-up comedy. It’s possible that a combination of the type of specialized divisions of labor inherent to American market-based socioeconomics and American cultural values regarding humor and women combine to create this lack, whereas other societies where women are considered funnier can’t even support the notion of comedy as a form of employment.
There are a number of possible reasons why male stand up comedians are more successful than female ones, all of which hold more water than “girls aren’t funny.”
[quote]LoneLobo wrote:
No, wrong. Not by my logic. You could perhaps go on in error with a never ending stream of American comics from diverse racial backgrounds, but you wouldn’t at all be refuting my point. You, black women, and Carlos Mencia share a common Americanized homogenous culture. You all live in the US, speak English, and associate mostly with Christian Indo-European derived people.
I’m not talking about specific issues that apply i.e. men and women in a specific genre of comedy i.e. standup, I’m talking about humor as a whole. Do you know what existential jokes are? Would you find them funny?
As a crude example, think back to the dubbed Japanese gameshows on Spike TV. Those provide a different sort of entertainment to Japanese people than to Americans. Think of music from different cultures - and by cultures, I don’t mean what you consider a culture (i.e. black Americans, hispanic Americans), I mean Iranian Muslims, Northern Chinese. This is not pleasant music to most of us. Why? It’s not our norm, and it isn’t in tune with our culture.[/quote]
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MXC is fucking hillarous. Me and my friends used to sit around and drink beer and watch MXC marathons.
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I grew up in Washington, DC. This is a very multi-cultural area. I have been hearing other countries and cultures music for years. My neighbors as a kid were Korean, Hispanic, Black American, African, Afghan etc… I have a taste for music across the world. That argument does not hold true.
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You are right people are laughing at different things across the world, but humor is universal. Commonality is a main trait in humor.
[quote]LoneLobo wrote:
Who holds the majority of the purchasing power in this country? You, with your rants in every Black Power/Affirmative Action thread are going to deny a patriarchal society/inherent bias in America?[/quote]
Who has written that bias doesn’t exist? That still doesn’t make unfunny women funny.
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The market for male comedy exists (this is all my own theorycrafting) for a number of reasons: One is that humor is a learned cultural attribute, and what we’re conditioned to find funny is male humor (feedback cycles). [/quote]
Uhm, then why do so many find Wanda Sykes funny? Is she a guy in drag? No, it is because she actually is funny…to a lot of people. I think it has little to do with men simply being found funny and everything to do with women losing “femininity” if they try to tell the same jokes. Sexuality is still a potent factor in our society and gender roles still in place prevent women from acting just like men and being accepted for it…thank goodness.
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Two, the majority of purchasing power and certainly discretionary spending (most particularly in entertainment) lies in the hands of men.[/quote]
…and many people who are fans of many comedians are poor college students or simply people in lower income brackets. It isn’t like only rich people go to comedy shows and movies or watch them on tv.
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Number three, significant gender bias still exists in large portions of this society, one of them being roles in the workforce for women. [/quote]
Yes…working is very hilarious. Women may have a harder time getting into comedy. However, it still stands that it can be done and has been done with the formula appearing to involve a maintenance of female persona in spite of the jokes.
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Fourth, it’s entirely possible that female humor (if such a thing as a unique cultural female sense of humor exists) may be best suited for a venue other than stand up comedy.[/quote]
I’m sorry, but this is 2007. It isn’t like women haven’t been in movies, sitcoms and headliners at comedy clubs. It isn’t like there is no opportunity. It may be harder for a woman to break into comedy, but once there, the spotlight is on them. There was a time Rosanne was funny…before she simply became annoying. That took all of…the first episode of her show, but still.
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Fifth, a dirth of female stand-up comedians may be a trait endemic to American society - I don’t even know how many other cultures have stand-up comedy. It’s possible that a combination of the type of specialized divisions of labor inherent to American market-based socioeconomics and American cultural values regarding humor and women combine to create this lack, whereas other societies where women are considered funnier can’t even support the notion of comedy as a form of employment. [/quote]
This was a waste of space.
Gender roles prevent a joke being told by a man to always come across the same when told by a woman. That may take decades to undo, if it ever is. Either way, as it stands, women comedians have to be blunt, loud and almost obnoxious to be noticed…and that just doesn’t work for many women. That would mean, essentially, it IS as simple as them not being funny. It is just that they aren’t funny because of more reasons than just the joke.
[quote]LoneLobo wrote:
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Two, the majority of purchasing power and certainly discretionary spending (most particularly in entertainment) lies in the hands of men.
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Do you have any data to back this up? Women are generally in charge of purchasing almost everything except beer and possibly trucks. That is why the only commericials aimed towards men are beer and truck commercials.
Whatever happened with that whole situation a few years back where Paula Poundstone was accused of somehow molesting a girl? I think she was acquitted, or it went nowhere or something, but I’m not sure. Does anyone know what actually happened there?
[quote]Lilium wrote:
I like Paula Poundstone and Jackie Keshan (pretty sure I spelled her name wrong) and of course Wanda Sykes.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Do you have any data to back this up? Women are generally in charge of purchasing almost everything except beer and possibly trucks. That is why the only commericials aimed towards men are beer and truck commercials.[/quote]
The majority of the people I see driving trucks are women and the larger the truck the smaller the girl driving. So I think you’re just down to the beer now.
Most female humor is centered around “men are dumb” jokes. That generally only appeals to other women.