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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bwilliamsr89 wrote:
I just found it funny how you said that as if callipers are dead on, so you “took the guess work out”. And I don’t agree that you are 15%. And all the people here that disagree aren’t acting like you have no muscle or are obese. Just not as lean as you think. So when someone compliments you on your size, please don’t say something like, " good post, some here seem to think you need to be contest lean to see the huge amount of muscle I’ve built" OT “some here seem to think I’m too obese for all the muscle I’ve built to count”

You have a lot of muscle. That’s not the debate. The fat you carry is[/quote]

I haven’t even posted a recent shirtless picture so anyone acting like they know what my BF is exactly without that is full of shit.

Why didn’t you call them out?

I don’t clam to be any leaner than I am.

I don’t care about being leaner to just impress you or anyone else.

In my opinion, it takes way more heart and work to build all of that muscle.

It takes a few months to diet if that is your goal.

Not all of us care to be as lean as you want to be.[/quote]

If you have never gotten lean and never truly dieted down to single digits how are you able to compare anything to it? It is like me saying it isnt all the hard to get to 250+. I have never done it so I cant comment on it. [/quote]

It doesn’t take more heart to eat big and lift. Those things are actually very enjoyable and require a big effort. However, they do NOT require ONGING discomfort. Sure it might feel a bit unpleasant at times to push big weights, but it’s nothing like near-constant hunger, disturbed sleep, fatigue, and willingness to turn food away, and at the extreme competitive level, weird shit like pain in the feet because of such low bodyfat.
[/quote]

I have a girlfriend who is on contest prep and about 8 weeks out… And I hear people complain about PMS? :smiley: [/quote]
So do they lose or gain libido?

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bwilliamsr89 wrote:
I just found it funny how you said that as if callipers are dead on, so you “took the guess work out”. And I don’t agree that you are 15%. And all the people here that disagree aren’t acting like you have no muscle or are obese. Just not as lean as you think. So when someone compliments you on your size, please don’t say something like, " good post, some here seem to think you need to be contest lean to see the huge amount of muscle I’ve built" OT “some here seem to think I’m too obese for all the muscle I’ve built to count”

You have a lot of muscle. That’s not the debate. The fat you carry is[/quote]

I haven’t even posted a recent shirtless picture so anyone acting like they know what my BF is exactly without that is full of shit.

Why didn’t you call them out?

I don’t clam to be any leaner than I am.

I don’t care about being leaner to just impress you or anyone else.

In my opinion, it takes way more heart and work to build all of that muscle.

It takes a few months to diet if that is your goal.

Not all of us care to be as lean as you want to be.[/quote]

If you have never gotten lean and never truly dieted down to single digits how are you able to compare anything to it? It is like me saying it isnt all the hard to get to 250+. I have never done it so I cant comment on it. [/quote]

It doesn’t take more heart to eat big and lift. Those things are actually very enjoyable and require a big effort. However, they do NOT require ONGING discomfort. Sure it might feel a bit unpleasant at times to push big weights, but it’s nothing like near-constant hunger, disturbed sleep, fatigue, and willingness to turn food away, and at the extreme competitive level, weird shit like pain in the feet because of such low bodyfat.
[/quote]

100% agree. I love eating. I love training. But cutting fucking sucks. Brain gets tired, body tired, hunger. Wanting to eat arm at times. And I haven’t even truly dieted. And probably never will contest diet for that reason. I will suck it up to get lean but not that lean

Pounding and food and weights everyday is awesome and easy relative to dieting

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Anyways, I do agree that there are some on here that seem to think getting lean is more impressive than building size. However, I am not one of them.[/quote]

So?

I am talking to those who do act like that.

[quote]
In regards to your comment about how guys who have built muscle should be looked at as having accomplished something, you need to understand something. It doesn’t seem like most of these guys want you help. In fact, they seem to be doing just fine on their own.[/quote]

hen they can stay out of my threads meant to discuss things they do not need help on.

Why even write this? they came into a thread I started…not the other way around.

[quote]
Many of the posters here have impressive physiques. Just because you don’t agree, doesn’t make it not so.[/quote]

I agree some are “impressive”. What does that have to do with the amount of muscle gained?

[quote]

Sometimes, it just seems like you come in here assuming everyone wants and needs to hear you opinion on things, especially how to “get huge muscles”. [/quote]

Uh, no. I started a thread to discuss a topic. if you or anyone else doesn’t like that topic, you move on.

It is as simple as that.

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Anyways, to X: You stand by your claim that Bauber had to have “bulked up” just because he got to the size he did. I find fault with this because it seems like you are just saying that adding muscle is “bulking” when it’s really just adding muscle.[/quote]

[quote]
PX wrote:
Uh, that is what bulking up is. [/quote]

Uh, nope, the term ‘bulking’ was first used back when bodybuilders would come off of their contest preparations and not concern themselves with packing on excessive bodyfat. Like many of the ‘golden age’ lore, as we learned more, we realized that while there may have been great results during that time, it wasn’t always for the reasons initially thought. Gains were made because more time was spent in the gym as the years went on, and usually the PEDs taken leading up to contests were still in the system for the several weeks post show (hence the unsubstantiated concept of a post contest rebound when surplus calories are reintroduced ← totally my own opinion).

Bulking up usually connotes the addition of unnecessary bodyfat as one hopes to add lbm at a quicker rate. Most modern strength coaches agree that it’s not only not needed, but not the best practice.

S

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There is a reason few people keep up the serious lifting into their 30’s and 40’s.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bwilliamsr89 wrote:
I just found it funny how you said that as if callipers are dead on, so you “took the guess work out”. And I don’t agree that you are 15%. And all the people here that disagree aren’t acting like you have no muscle or are obese. Just not as lean as you think. So when someone compliments you on your size, please don’t say something like, " good post, some here seem to think you need to be contest lean to see the huge amount of muscle I’ve built" OT “some here seem to think I’m too obese for all the muscle I’ve built to count”

You have a lot of muscle. That’s not the debate. The fat you carry is[/quote]

I haven’t even posted a recent shirtless picture so anyone acting like they know what my BF is exactly without that is full of shit.

Why didn’t you call them out?

I don’t clam to be any leaner than I am.

I don’t care about being leaner to just impress you or anyone else.

In my opinion, it takes way more heart and work to build all of that muscle.

It takes a few months to diet if that is your goal.

Not all of us care to be as lean as you want to be.[/quote]

If you have never gotten lean and never truly dieted down to single digits how are you able to compare anything to it? It is like me saying it isnt all the hard to get to 250+. I have never done it so I cant comment on it. [/quote]

Wow…it’s a good thing I do’t have to get to single digits to look good.

Not sure why I would be held to a goal I do not have.
[/quote]

Seriously do you have comprehension problems? How can you compare two things and claim one takes more heart when you have NEVER done the other?

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Anyways, to X: You stand by your claim that Bauber had to have “bulked up” just because he got to the size he did. I find fault with this because it seems like you are just saying that adding muscle is “bulking” when it’s really just adding muscle.[/quote]

Pre-Exhaust Thread Part II

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bwilliamsr89 wrote:
I just found it funny how you said that as if callipers are dead on, so you “took the guess work out”. And I don’t agree that you are 15%. And all the people here that disagree aren’t acting like you have no muscle or are obese. Just not as lean as you think. So when someone compliments you on your size, please don’t say something like, " good post, some here seem to think you need to be contest lean to see the huge amount of muscle I’ve built" OT “some here seem to think I’m too obese for all the muscle I’ve built to count”

You have a lot of muscle. That’s not the debate. The fat you carry is[/quote]

I haven’t even posted a recent shirtless picture so anyone acting like they know what my BF is exactly without that is full of shit.

Why didn’t you call them out?

I don’t clam to be any leaner than I am.

I don’t care about being leaner to just impress you or anyone else.

In my opinion, it takes way more heart and work to build all of that muscle.

It takes a few months to diet if that is your goal.

Not all of us care to be as lean as you want to be.[/quote]

If you have never gotten lean and never truly dieted down to single digits how are you able to compare anything to it? It is like me saying it isnt all the hard to get to 250+. I have never done it so I cant comment on it. [/quote]

It doesn’t take more heart to eat big and lift. Those things are actually very enjoyable and require a big effort. However, they do NOT require ONGING discomfort. Sure it might feel a bit unpleasant at times to push big weights, but it’s nothing like near-constant hunger, disturbed sleep, fatigue, and willingness to turn food away, and at the extreme competitive level, weird shit like pain in the feet because of such low bodyfat.
[/quote]

I have a girlfriend who is on contest prep and about 8 weeks out… And I hear people complain about PMS? :smiley: [/quote]
So do they lose or gain libido? [/quote]

She’s from Brazil, if she were to lose libido it would still be more than I can handle. On a serious note, gained so far but let’s see when she is two weeks out hahah.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Anyways, to X: You stand by your claim that Bauber had to have “bulked up” just because he got to the size he did. I find fault with this because it seems like you are just saying that adding muscle is “bulking” when it’s really just adding muscle.[/quote]

It is understood by most that some body fat is inevitable for most people no matter what when gaining especially if trying to take advantage of that age window mentioned (something you ignore over and over)…

Bulking up does not mean you IGNORE fat gains. It means that gaining muscle is the top priority with body fat as a secondary or tertiary.

I am still wondering why anyone thinks that anyone means you gain fat on purpose.

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[quote]ishinator wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Anyways, to X: You stand by your claim that Bauber had to have “bulked up” just because he got to the size he did. I find fault with this because it seems like you are just saying that adding muscle is “bulking” when it’s really just adding muscle.[/quote]

Pre-Exhaust Thread Part II[/quote]

lol, if so, enjoy it without me, I’m out!

S

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

Seriously do you have comprehension problems? How can you compare two things and claim one takes more heart when you have NEVER done the other? [/quote]

But…most here have never gotten that big but are constantly speaking on it.

How would someone who never gained as much muscle tell me the best way to get even bigger by your own logic?

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bwilliamsr89 wrote:
I just found it funny how you said that as if callipers are dead on, so you “took the guess work out”. And I don’t agree that you are 15%. And all the people here that disagree aren’t acting like you have no muscle or are obese. Just not as lean as you think. So when someone compliments you on your size, please don’t say something like, " good post, some here seem to think you need to be contest lean to see the huge amount of muscle I’ve built" OT “some here seem to think I’m too obese for all the muscle I’ve built to count”

You have a lot of muscle. That’s not the debate. The fat you carry is[/quote]

I haven’t even posted a recent shirtless picture so anyone acting like they know what my BF is exactly without that is full of shit.

Why didn’t you call them out?

I don’t clam to be any leaner than I am.

I don’t care about being leaner to just impress you or anyone else.

In my opinion, it takes way more heart and work to build all of that muscle.

It takes a few months to diet if that is your goal.

Not all of us care to be as lean as you want to be.[/quote]

If you have never gotten lean and never truly dieted down to single digits how are you able to compare anything to it? It is like me saying it isnt all the hard to get to 250+. I have never done it so I cant comment on it. [/quote]

It doesn’t take more heart to eat big and lift. Those things are actually very enjoyable and require a big effort. However, they do NOT require ONGING discomfort. Sure it might feel a bit unpleasant at times to push big weights, but it’s nothing like near-constant hunger, disturbed sleep, fatigue, and willingness to turn food away, and at the extreme competitive level, weird shit like pain in the feet because of such low bodyfat.
[/quote]

I have a girlfriend who is on contest prep and about 8 weeks out… And I hear people complain about PMS? :smiley: [/quote]
So do they lose or gain libido? [/quote]

She’s from Brazil, if she were to lose libido it would still be more than I can handle. On a serious note, gained so far but let’s see when she is two weeks out hahah. [/quote]
Brazil…we may need some pictures…here is one for you…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

Seriously do you have comprehension problems? How can you compare two things and claim one takes more heart when you have NEVER done the other? [/quote]

But…most here have never gotten that big but are constantly speaking on it.

How would someone who never gained as much muscle tell me the best way to get even bigger by your own logic?[/quote]

That is why I am not telling you the best way to gain muscle, nor have I ever, yet you still think these rules do not apply to you with the example of saying how easy/hard getting lean is without ever doing it. Why are you only agreeing to my logic when it benefits your argument but ignoring it when it calls out yours?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
hen they can stay out of my threads meant to discuss things they do not need help on.

Why even write this? they came into a thread I started…not the other way around.
[/quote]

Did you forget this is a public forum? If you don’t want just anybody chiming in on threads you start go to T-Cell Alpha.

Have you ever stayed out of a thread because someone else started it? Didn’t think so. You always barge into other people’s threads, stomp on it, set it on fire, take a piss on it, and then laugh at the smoldering ruins.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

Seriously do you have comprehension problems? How can you compare two things and claim one takes more heart when you have NEVER done the other? [/quote]

But…most here have never gotten that big but are constantly speaking on it.

How would someone who never gained as much muscle tell me the best way to get even bigger by your own logic?[/quote]

That is why I am not telling you the best way to gain muscle, nor have I ever, yet you still think these rules do not apply to you with the example of saying how easy/hard getting lean is without ever doing it. Why are you only agreeing to my logic when it benefits your argument but ignoring it when it calls out yours? [/quote]

But wait…many here are saying my way of getting to this size was wrong by constantly harping on how much fat was gained…but they didn’t get this big ever…but you don’t fault them for that at all.

Why?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bwilliamsr89 wrote:
I just found it funny how you said that as if callipers are dead on, so you “took the guess work out”. And I don’t agree that you are 15%. And all the people here that disagree aren’t acting like you have no muscle or are obese. Just not as lean as you think. So when someone compliments you on your size, please don’t say something like, " good post, some here seem to think you need to be contest lean to see the huge amount of muscle I’ve built" OT “some here seem to think I’m too obese for all the muscle I’ve built to count”

You have a lot of muscle. That’s not the debate. The fat you carry is[/quote]

I haven’t even posted a recent shirtless picture so anyone acting like they know what my BF is exactly without that is full of shit.

Why didn’t you call them out?

I don’t clam to be any leaner than I am.

I don’t care about being leaner to just impress you or anyone else.

In my opinion, it takes way more heart and work to build all of that muscle.

It takes a few months to diet if that is your goal.

Not all of us care to be as lean as you want to be.[/quote]

If you have never gotten lean and never truly dieted down to single digits how are you able to compare anything to it? It is like me saying it isnt all the hard to get to 250+. I have never done it so I cant comment on it. [/quote]

It doesn’t take more heart to eat big and lift. Those things are actually very enjoyable and require a big effort. However, they do NOT require ONGING discomfort. Sure it might feel a bit unpleasant at times to push big weights, but it’s nothing like near-constant hunger, disturbed sleep, fatigue, and willingness to turn food away, and at the extreme competitive level, weird shit like pain in the feet because of such low bodyfat.
[/quote]

I have a girlfriend who is on contest prep and about 8 weeks out… And I hear people complain about PMS? :smiley: [/quote]
So do they lose or gain libido? [/quote]

She’s from Brazil, if she were to lose libido it would still be more than I can handle. On a serious note, gained so far but let’s see when she is two weeks out hahah. [/quote]
Brazil…we may need some pictures…here is one for you…[/quote]

For the record, Selma is Mexican and I have been in love with her since I was 11.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bwilliamsr89 wrote:
I generally find X annoying and argumentative, but why the fuck is everyone so willing to argue semantics in this case. Let’s just get back to the stuff that is entertaining at least. [/quote]

This is all they do. As if it was ever different?

They spend hours literally lying and making shit up just to argue even if they really agree with what was written…and then some of you keep cheering it on…[/quote]

Because you’ve done it for 11 years and people are finally tired of your BS. That’s why it gets cheered on. It’s like seeing the school bully finally get his ass kicked, or the loudmouth, shit-talking drunk getting punched in the face.

It did used to be different in that people used to simply tolerate your attitude. It didn’t have to be this way. You made your bed now you have to lie in it.

[/quote]

Ahh, so in your twisted head, you are going to act in a way you claim you hate?

You do realize what a hypocrite is, right?[/quote]

Absolutely. But the kicker is I only do it to you. An eye for an eye. You, on the other hand, are a complete dick to everyone that disagrees with anything you have to say.

Stop being a prick and you will stop seeing prickish posts from me to you. I’m not going to hold my breath.[/quote]

LOl at this. Apparently telling you the truth is “being a prick” to you.

You can rant about how lean you are, but if I ever mention I have more muscle than you, then that is me acting “superior”.

Got it.

You guys are a waste and detriment to this forum if this is all you are about.

For real.[/quote]

Wrong. The “truth” has nothing to do with it.

THIS is being a prick:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I hope what you just wrote doesn’t make sense to even you.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Thank you for that. I have “doctor” in front of my name but there is always basic shit about biology that I missed. I shall credit that for my weight gain.
[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I could say that this is one more reason why you should not limit your thinking. You can make huge assumptions when you do. I am a DMD, the type who uses a scalpel and sutures on an almost daily basis.
[/quote]

THIS is being a prick:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Or more recently, the famous pre-fatigue thread where you completely got the concept wrong, refused to admit you were wrong, but later changed you’re mind without offering an apology.

first…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would I want to “pre-fatigue” my chest on CHEST DAY???[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I guess that explains why mine keeps growing.
I’m doing it wrong.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
You usually only pre-fatigue a muscle if it is interfering or becoming the optimal mover in an exercise when the goal is another muscle group. [/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is WHY you pre-exhaust a muscle group…so it fails first and doesn’t interfere with the TARGET muscle group.

That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would I want to weaken my chest WHEN TRAINING MY CHEST IN PRIORITY??
[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am laughing at how the definition got switched.
[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Now mind you, your own personal experience shows this to be the case…but somehow I got it wrong.

I know this term may be used now in fitness sites, but in bodybuilding historically years ago, I think it meant getting a muscle that fires first when you don’t want it to to tire first.[/quote]

then later…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am also NOT disagreeing with the other concept if anyone is still arguing that for some reason.
[/quote][/quote]

THIS is being a prick:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

Reminds people constantly he’s a doctor.

Brags constantly about his education.

Asks people if they need him to repeat what he just wrote.

Asks people if he needs to write it out in crayon.

Asks people who argue with him in multiple threads if they’re gay.

Asks people if English is their first language.

Constantly tries to convince everyone to accept the inflated image he has of himself.

Is constantly sarcastic and condescending.

But I suppose none of the above is being a prick. It’s just pointing out when people are wrong.[/quote]

Let me end this by quoting the most famous asshole in all of T-Nation:

Let me know if I need to repeat that again lest that basic message be lost again.

  • Professor X
    [/quote]

The next time X whines to the world about never being mean to anybody, and getting picked on all the time…this fucker is going up.[/quote]

Let’s see what the response is.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bwilliamsr89 wrote:
I just found it funny how you said that as if callipers are dead on, so you “took the guess work out”. And I don’t agree that you are 15%. And all the people here that disagree aren’t acting like you have no muscle or are obese. Just not as lean as you think. So when someone compliments you on your size, please don’t say something like, " good post, some here seem to think you need to be contest lean to see the huge amount of muscle I’ve built" OT “some here seem to think I’m too obese for all the muscle I’ve built to count”

You have a lot of muscle. That’s not the debate. The fat you carry is[/quote]

I haven’t even posted a recent shirtless picture so anyone acting like they know what my BF is exactly without that is full of shit.

Why didn’t you call them out?

I don’t clam to be any leaner than I am.

I don’t care about being leaner to just impress you or anyone else.

In my opinion, it takes way more heart and work to build all of that muscle.

It takes a few months to diet if that is your goal.

Not all of us care to be as lean as you want to be.[/quote]

If you have never gotten lean and never truly dieted down to single digits how are you able to compare anything to it? It is like me saying it isnt all the hard to get to 250+. I have never done it so I cant comment on it. [/quote]

It doesn’t take more heart to eat big and lift. Those things are actually very enjoyable and require a big effort. However, they do NOT require ONGING discomfort. Sure it might feel a bit unpleasant at times to push big weights, but it’s nothing like near-constant hunger, disturbed sleep, fatigue, and willingness to turn food away, and at the extreme competitive level, weird shit like pain in the feet because of such low bodyfat.
[/quote]

I have a girlfriend who is on contest prep and about 8 weeks out… And I hear people complain about PMS? :smiley: [/quote]
So do they lose or gain libido? [/quote]

She’s from Brazil, if she were to lose libido it would still be more than I can handle. On a serious note, gained so far but let’s see when she is two weeks out hahah. [/quote]
Brazil…we may need some pictures…here is one for you…[/quote]

For the record, Selma is Mexican and I have been in love with her since I was 11. [/quote]
Im married to a Mexican, her mom “relocated” to Pharr Texas to have her.

I too have been in love with Salma since she exploded on the scene, I was a little older :confused:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

Seriously do you have comprehension problems? How can you compare two things and claim one takes more heart when you have NEVER done the other? [/quote]

But…most here have never gotten that big but are constantly speaking on it.

How would someone who never gained as much muscle tell me the best way to get even bigger by your own logic?[/quote]

That is why I am not telling you the best way to gain muscle, nor have I ever, yet you still think these rules do not apply to you with the example of saying how easy/hard getting lean is without ever doing it. Why are you only agreeing to my logic when it benefits your argument but ignoring it when it calls out yours? [/quote]

But wait…many here are saying my way of getting to this size was wrong by constantly harping on how much fat was gained…but they didn’t get this big ever…but you don’t fault them for that at all.

Why?[/quote]

I did in the past when I started posting regulary saying I build most of my size by ‘bulking’ so while I think lean gaining is smarter, I cant personally recomend it because I never did it. The difference is I can say that ONCE and be done with it and did.

Now again, please again stop ignoring my question and diverting this. I am not talking to them, I am talking to you.

[quote]
That is why I am not telling you the best way to gain muscle, nor have I ever, yet you still think these rules do not apply to you with the example of saying how easy/hard getting lean is without ever doing it. Why are you only agreeing to my logic when it benefits your argument but ignoring it when it calls out yours? [/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

Seriously do you have comprehension problems? How can you compare two things and claim one takes more heart when you have NEVER done the other? [/quote]

But…most here have never gotten that big but are constantly speaking on it.

How would someone who never gained as much muscle tell me the best way to get even bigger by your own logic?[/quote]

That is why I am not telling you the best way to gain muscle, nor have I ever, yet you still think these rules do not apply to you with the example of saying how easy/hard getting lean is without ever doing it. Why are you only agreeing to my logic when it benefits your argument but ignoring it when it calls out yours? [/quote]

…but they didn’t get this big ever…but you don’t fault them for that at all.

Why?[/quote]

We very well may have as much muscle as you…since you will never not be holding a substantial amount of bodyfat.

You are big, yes and holding quite a bit of fat…also yes.